Natural versus PH/Steroid
- 08-20-2012, 02:42 PM
- 08-20-2012, 03:03 PM
Furthermore, AGE! I am natty too bro...and I got a myriad of reasons for staying so until the time comes when I am really prepared for it (If I get to it that is )>SNS-Glycophase<Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep
08-20-2012, 03:27 PM
define your goal for the cycle, and the reason you want to try epi. That on top of what celorza asked will tell a lot. The biggest issue with people cycling is unrealistic expectations. 5'11" 180 isn't bad if that is at a clearly visible 6 pack without flexing bodyfat standpoint. But if strength is more your goal than size, or bodyfat, then it is different.
08-20-2012, 03:33 PM
If you still need some info to know if you are ready, just ask yourself this:
"Can I manipulate my Body Composition by simply altering my diet and workout/rest patterns?"
"Do I have enough Nutrition Knowledge to create a surplus enough for muscle growth and with minimal fat gains?"
"Can I create a deficit that its not taxing for my Muscle mass?"
"Do I know to which exercises do I respond better for A)Fat loss B)Strength Gains C)Mass gains D)Increasing 1RM on olympic lifts?"
If you do not have the answer for those questions, then most likely some more research and experience is needed brother. I am not being mean or trying to put you down, but cycling is just as hard (if not more) as training natural. Making gains, keeping them, training harder on cycle (due to better recovery) and pushing your natural limits, all in an optimal way to make it cost and time efficient, is really taxing. Not to mention knowledge of proper Post Cycle Therapy to get your body back to normal and healthy homeostasis is key, and hard in itself too.
>SNS-Glycophase<Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep
08-20-2012, 04:10 PM
I am continuing my growth overall. I like to lean bulk which is why I thought about epi due to it's dry nature and it being mild. As far as bf% I have not measured that.
08-20-2012, 04:15 PM
08-20-2012, 04:18 PM
08-23-2012, 02:11 AM
08-24-2012, 02:34 PM
Started my first PH at 135lbs, put on 15lbs in 5-6 weeks with no sides..
I'd say if you can afford to get injectables instead do that bc it's easier on your body, if not I don't see one cycle of epi hurting you in anyway..
I'm almost 200lbs now and I've done maybe 2 cycles of PH and a cycle of test and I'm perfectly fine.
08-27-2012, 08:24 PM
Talk about using a crutch...Originally Posted by richmel
OP, evaluate where your at, where you've come from and where you want to be. Your answers to those should answer your overall question. Honestly, the only reason to use IMO is if your going to compete in bodybuilding or as a high level powerlifter. If you have aspirations to get on stage at the NPC level or higher then it's something to consider. If you don't then why put yourself through any risk, just continue to hammer away the way you were. Like you said you feel great natural so what's the reason to change that unless competing is something you want to pursue.
09-05-2012, 10:55 PM
Yea comparing natural to PH/AAS is no comparison at all. Ask the big guy at your gym how they got big and they give the same answer...protein and creatine lol..I'm natural at the moment but that's about to change. I can get a prescription for AAS stacks but its too expensive ATM..if you choose to take that path you have a lot..and I mean A LOT of research to do
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