The dry hard look

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  1. mm i wouldn't say that actually. If you follow layne norton, he had a client who eats i believe 3000mgs of sodium daily + 2gallons h20, now i know this ****er didnt look that "big" because hes natural, but he looked big for a natty and sure as hell was dry.


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    Alright, so there can be some exceptions!
    Just inject.
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  3. I just laughed so hard reading over this thread. Thank you for the knowledge it helped equal out the droppage of IQ I had from earlier posts. Giant Slayers Youth Ministry... BAHAHAHA

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ReedSkin
    I just laughed so hard reading over this thread. Thank you for the knowledge it helped equal out the droppage of IQ I had from earlier posts. Giant Slayers Youth Ministry... BAHAHAHA
    My pleasure for giving you the knowledge

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
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    I looked it up as well. Sub'd for new lingo.
    Haha I like Giant Slayer Youth Ministry.

    Subbed for suggestions. I struggle here. Stop taking creatine? Keep sodium low? You're out of your head.

    Are you consuming any dairy? This includes whey. Try to limit the amount of shakes you have as meals and cut out dairy (except eggs) as disaccharides like lactose can be a bit menacing on the elasticity of skin in some people. Have a NORMAL person sodium intake and adequate water intake. Whats your carb situation like? If your diet is spot on can I hear it? And what kind of creatine are you taking? Perhaps your not quite training in a method that optimizes the uptake of water and nutrient.
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  8. after reading this thread, ive realized most of my local gym rats are more than likley not natural.
    ive found size and low bf are difficult to coincide naturally.

    random question but would anyone consider someone whos taken one cycle of epistane still natural? this stuffs circulating my gym like hotcakes which is supposingly an extremely mild compound

  9. ^^ that's debatable. Different bodybuilding federations would say you arn't natural until you've been off all test increasing supplements (PH / AAS) for 6+ years.

    edit: and it's really hard to be able to look at someone and say "theyre juicing" or whatever. Honestly i've been training naturally for about 8 years. I wouldn't consider myself "huge" by any means.. but 185lb 5'8" at around 8-10% bodyfat i've been accused of taking **** before. (probably not rightfully so, i'm not big enough to be considered juicing, but you know noobies will point the finger at anyone bigger and leaner than them / better physique and say "juicing"!)

  10. Quote Originally Posted by fayce View Post
    after reading this thread, ive realized most of my local gym rats are more than likley not natural.
    ive found size and low bf are difficult to coincide naturally.

    random question but would anyone consider someone whos taken one cycle of epistane still natural? this stuffs circulating my gym like hotcakes which is supposingly an extremely mild compound
    For that in bold: if you've ever seen the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger (one of my top 5 favs) they show the statistics on the majority of people who use anabolics are your local "gym rats" and not athletic competitors.

    The second, yes, is debatable pending the organization. NGA and INBF I know are 7 years clean. MuscleMania is something silly like 2-3 years. Unless youre well experienced in evaluating a physique its not exactly obvious. I agree with aceroni - its so easy to point out a natural guy whos well built and just immediately say "oh, hes juicin." Ive seen VERY impressive natural physiques. ( I wish I was 185 )
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    For that in bold: if you've ever seen the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger (one of my top 5 favs) they show the statistics on the majority of people who use anabolics are your local "gym rats" and not athletic competitors.

    The second, yes, is debatable pending the organization. NGA and INBF I know are 7 years clean. MuscleMania is something silly like 2-3 years. Unless youre well experienced in evaluating a physique its not exactly obvious. I agree with aceroni - its so easy to point out a natural guy whos well built and just immediately say "oh, hes juicin." Ive seen VERY impressive natural physiques. ( I wish I was 185 )
    Back when I went to 7% bf naturally people said I was on roids.The highest form of compliment to a natural bodybuilder in my opinion.What they didn't know is I was going keto 95% of the time on a large calorie deficit state while doing way too much cardio.I lost 15 lbs of muscle doing that natty.Worth it?Yeah.I got to show off at the beach.Would I go to that extreme again?Probably not without gear cause I was getting hurt pretty bad very often while training.

  12. I am 8 percent bf naturally . Will I drop bf during my test dbol cycle or will my muscle growth like stretch out my skin and give me the dry hard look ?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by monkeygym View Post
    I am 8 percent bf naturally . Will I drop bf during my test dbol cycle or will my muscle growth like stretch out my skin and give me the dry hard look ?
    Depends on your diet/training. Depending on your goals, a great idea might be to do something of a short (lean-) bulk for the 4 weeks you're on dbol, and then do a recomp throughout the rest of your cycle (keep protein very high, decrease carbs a lot, increase cardio) until you PCT.

  14. A 5 10' 180 lbs guy that is 7-8% bf will get accused of steroid use by common public. People are not used to seeing round muscles, tie-ins, surface veins everywhere and that type of look....(of course this is wearing a tank top or shirtless) as that same guy wont look like much fully clothed.

    As for a question about epistane and being natural --- everyone that has been around these forums for considerable time knows that claiming to be natural just because something is not yet banned is a crock of crap. They are on a harsh oral steroid and are using PED's

    -Matt

  15. You should be able to reduce calories, increase workouts / cardio, and reduce sodium to healthy levels. Once that is accomplished, add 60-Days Test Propionate / Masteron / Winny.
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