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How do I get the hard dry look? My diet is spot on, but still don't have the dry look. Is it carb depletion??
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Its called roids LMAO... that dry hard look really is tuff to get and keep when your all natural. What is your body fat like, you need to be around 8-9% at lest and still without a PH or AAS that hard solid look is not really gonna be there, youll definitely look vascular and ripped but the solid dry look and feel not really. I think some of it is genetics, my bro has always been kinda soft even though he's in good shape. I do notice as long as I lift heavy and keep my protein up my muscle feels harder, but not like what I think your after.
Also if I go to low on carbs I actually loose pump, and muscle starts to look flat. That does not work for me but everyone is different, I try to keep my carbs low but I eat them almost every meal. I have become much leaner and fuller looking by keeping carbs in my diet but keeping them low for a few days, then do a carb up every now and then.
Also if I go to low on carbs I actually loose pump, and muscle starts to look flat. That does not work for me but everyone is different, I try to keep my carbs low but I eat them almost every meal. I have become much leaner and fuller looking by keeping carbs in my diet but keeping them low for a few days, then do a carb up every now and then.
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The "Dry" hard look comes from being lower in body fat. If you want that look, then you need to re-evaluate your diet and shed some pounds. You don't have to be on roids to get that look. If your developed "muscle maturity" when you cut back the fat on your frame you will look like this, if you are newer to the game then you won't get this look for lack of LBM.
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Ya I agree muscle maturity has allot to do with it, you can be 8% and still not look solid! I see allot of guys like that, but younger and lack enough mass to have that look. I am 32 and it took till I was about 30 before I started to have a more solid looking frame, even at lower BF I never looked very dried out. All though natty test boosters and creatine seemed to get the vascularity going good.
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Don't take creatine. Keep sodium levels low. Body fat low. Carbs really have to be limited. Really low reps with really heavy weight because it uses different muscle fibres and unlike hypertrophy doesn't push fluid into muscles. Bruce lee used to weight train like that look how strong and dense he was. RIPPED! Its basically just preparing for a contest. Only problem is it can not be maintained because such low body fat is dangerous for general health.
3clipseGT
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Im sorry but this is some of the worst advice ive read outside of body fat levels low.
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And why is that?
3clipseGT
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Because keeping sodium levels low when your not a day before a show is rediculous. Your body needs sodium to function correctly.
Also you can have a dry hard look with carbs in your body unless your body hates carbs.
The statement you made was very general in nature and making a blanket statement like that just isnt correct as everyone is so vastly different.
Also high weight low reps? Seriously? I suppose since im cutting ill want to do light weight and high reps then?
Also you can have a dry hard look with carbs in your body unless your body hates carbs.
The statement you made was very general in nature and making a blanket statement like that just isnt correct as everyone is so vastly different.
Also high weight low reps? Seriously? I suppose since im cutting ill want to do light weight and high reps then?
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After i talked about it been pre contest prep If you read what i said at the end. It can not be maintained. Its unhealthy.
3clipseGT
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Thats not what he is asking for. He didnt state dieting for a show and i also dont remember that comment about pre show being there when i responded.
He stated his diet was on lock and he wanted that dry hard look. Which is very attainable without cutting sodium.
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Okay how does he achieve it?
3clipseGT
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He drops fat and puts time in, in the gym. Theres no real magic. Once he is lean enough he could take an AI as well.
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Congratulations state the obvious
3clipseGT
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Wow, dont get so butt hurt. I wasnt being an ass, but im not going to let misinformation be passed around.
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GSYM
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The "My diet is spot on but I'm fat" threads are always a favorite of mine.
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Whats that mean?
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At the OP, you don't need drugs you just need to really get your diet locked in and your boundary low
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Important point worth reiterating.
3clipseGT
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He wont reply again as he was probably talking sh1t because he got butt hurt.
But it was probably Go Shut Your Mouth or something rediculous.
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What you talking about?
3clipseGT
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Your GSYM comment.
inda11
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Okay
3clipseGT
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Care to divulge what it meant?
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Nope
3clipseGT
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Lol didnt think so.
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AndroHard doesn't hurt 
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yeah besides the fact that this thread is in the "natural"area.. Like the above posters have said, clean up your diet, get lean, and drink over a gallon of water daily..AndroHard doesn't hurt
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Youth that goes around slaying giants. Pretty important group. I tried to get in when I was younger, but they don't just take anyone.
3clipseGT
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Hahaha wtf was my thought as well.
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LOL only if you really knew what it meant. You would not be laughing! Haha
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With all due respect, you had your chance to joust with 3clipseGT
Let's all move on
Let's all move on
3clipseGT
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Lol.. I just dont understand people, i really dont. I wasnt trying to joust or be a hard ass or none of that. But i suppose some peoples noses are so far in the air they cant handle someone else telling them they are wrong.
But hey no biggie, ill continue to do my thing.
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Sorry the stupid back and forth distracted me. But yes, diet will be 99% of the results natural or not.
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It's the internet. Anyone can hide behind the computer screen. Let it go - who gives a hoot.
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Yes lol let it go. stop getting your knickers in a twist!It's the internet. Anyone can hide behind the computer screen. Let it go - who gives a hoot.
3clipseGT
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Im good and i let it go a while ago. No biggie whatsoever.
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that's EXCELLENT
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Yes diet will affect the majority of your results, but i do not agree that you have to diet / train as hard while on gear. Many people will flame me for this statement, but you just DO NOT HAVE TO. Its a fact. I'm 100% natty, and I see guys in the gym who I KNOW are on sauce, and they text inbetween sets, taking 10 minute+ rest periods, and they dont even train hard, and they still gain.
I absolutely DESPISE how people try to downplay how much juice actually helps... Honestly, I don't care if you do it or not- that's your choice. But when you 1- lie that you're not on it and 2- say that you have to work just as hard as a natty guy- you're just an ignorant ****.
Edit:: I'm not talking about anyone here on this forum, nor am i attacking anyone here. I'm just fed up with people lying to themselves.
Case A- Some guy I know start's dieting for a show, let's call him "ron".. Ron comes into the gym, 3 weeks into his diet, looking small and depleted.. Two more weeks later, hes 10 lbs heavier, and leaner, dryer, more vascular. He says to my face "Yeah, this is ALL me Bro, I haven't taken anything yet".. First off his trainer told me he was jumping on anavar. Secondly, I've dieted down for a show before- You DO NOT gain weight when you start dieting (if you're natural / not on juice)
/end rant
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Attaining a "dry look" is some what genetic as I know several people with varying BF levels and some with HIGHER levels appear "drier" Skin thickness, vein protrusion, muscle insertions and muscle bellies etc,,,
Once you get into that single digit range --- EVEN NATURAL you can be dry. Keep sodium moderate to HIGH while water is jacked up high to compensate.
High sodium + high water = muscle fullness, vascularity and better muscular pumps/contractions while training.
Carbs will be unique to each person , but once in that single digit zone --- 100-150-200g seems appropriate for most people once in that BF range.
Androgens will HELP --- of course, dry compounds like proviron, masteron, furuza, pstanz, Androhard, etc....
-matt
Once you get into that single digit range --- EVEN NATURAL you can be dry. Keep sodium moderate to HIGH while water is jacked up high to compensate.
High sodium + high water = muscle fullness, vascularity and better muscular pumps/contractions while training.
Carbs will be unique to each person , but once in that single digit zone --- 100-150-200g seems appropriate for most people once in that BF range.
Androgens will HELP --- of course, dry compounds like proviron, masteron, furuza, pstanz, Androhard, etc....
-matt
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I used to want to look like a bodybuilder/fitness guy all the time. Or ever really. Then I found out, by talking to a couple amateur guys at the gym, how unhealthy that can be. And also seeing what pros look like off contest. Big difference. And hey some guys just have some good genetics and really do look like that naturally. I would guess however that most can't. Bieng comfortable with what I got and have accomplished is more important now. But i'm old and washed up so that's probably why.
BTW, from earlier, low sodium can give you seizures.
BTW, from earlier, low sodium can give you seizures.
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Great advice Matt.
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Great advice. Just what this thread needed.
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I know you guys have all seen the natural taller guys at the gym --- that are not "BIG" by any means but possess a "dry look" veins in arms and delts, nice muscle tie-ins, probably 6 foot and only 180 (ish) lbs but look damn good.
We have them at every gym --- genetics. So do not think for 1 minute a "natural cannot" appear dry. REMEMBER THIS -- A natural CANNOT appear DRY + BIG ---- now that is damn near impossible lol
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We have them at every gym --- genetics. So do not think for 1 minute a "natural cannot" appear dry. REMEMBER THIS -- A natural CANNOT appear DRY + BIG ---- now that is damn near impossible lol
-Matt
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