Lifts to size correalation

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  1. Dave Tate is one badass dude!

    Okay so what's your point lol

    (no really that dude is the definition of badass!)
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  2. Well we can agree upon Dave Tate being a badass. He is one of my favorite authors.

    The point in the picture of Tate was to show the LBM gained by powerlifters while on an A&E diet.

    lol and nice sig.
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  3. Awesome
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  4. My point is for a beginner to drop the ego and learn how to execute their movements, then slowly learn the fundamentals about the CNS / hypertrophy techniques.

    That is all. Addressing one step before the most important steps for long term success ends up in epic failure. (thats my point)

    Lets leave it at that.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by TheHardOne View Post
    My point is for a beginner to drop the ego and learn how to execute their movements, then slowly learn the fundamentals about the CNS / hypertrophy techniques.

    That is all. Addressing one step before the most important steps for long term success ends up in epic failure. (thats my point)

    Lets leave it at that.
    Form and technique is always the first thing taught to novices by successful coaches. According to Mark Rippetoe and Bill Starr, you are a novice until you cannot make linear progression on compound movements anymore.

    My point is, you start extremely LIGHT on a linear based program, then after your technique is accomplished you add 5-10lbs per workout. That is the same principles Rippetoe suggests to every novice lifter on earth. That is what I am saying. You said "forget the progressive overload" and starting talking about TUT.

    Isometric, eccentric, concentric <<< three different phases of a lift. Your 15 second pause or whatever solely focused on isometrics.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Form and technique is always the first thing taught to novices by successful coaches. According to Mark Rippetoe and Bill Starr, you are a novice until you cannot make linear progression on compound movements anymore.

    My point is, you start extremely LIGHT on a linear based program, then after your technique is accomplished you add 5-10lbs per workout. That is the same principles Rippetoe suggests to every novice lifter on earth. That is what I am saying. You said "forget the progressive overload" and starting talking about TUT.

    Isometric, eccentric, concentric <<< three different phases of a lift. Your 15 second pause or whatever solely focused on isometrics.
    I know.

    I said forget progressive overload so he can drop the ego and learn how to execute his movements optimally for his goals. Obviously you thought I meant "forget progressive overload FOREVER"....which is not what I meant.

    With all this knowledge you must be way bigger than Thehardone the 19 year old Phenom!!! hahah lol just bustin' your balls!

    Cheers
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by TheHardOne View Post
    I said forget progressive overload so he can drop the ego and learn how to execute his movements optimally for his goals. Obviously you thought I meant "forget progressive overload FOREVER"....which is not what I meant.
    O

    OK yeah I agree with that.

    With all this knowledge you must be way bigger than Thehardone the 19 year old Phenom!!! hahah lol just bustin' your balls!
    You seem to be pretty big for 19 in your avatar pic. I don't look quite as big as you. I try to stay kind of smaller so I can get around a lot easier in the mountains, boxing, grappling, or running and stuff. I'm probably a shade or two smaller than you are.

    Cheers
    Good talking. Goodnight!
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    O

    OK yeah I agree with that.



    You seem to be pretty big for 19 in your avatar pic. I don't look quite as big as you. I try to stay kind of smaller so I can get around a lot easier in the mountains, boxing, grappling, or running and stuff. I'm probably a shade or two smaller than you are.



    Good talking. Goodnight!
    2 similar minds have disagreements but in a mature manner end up settling it like real men

    If every disagreement was settled like this in the world, their would be peace and love! lol

    Respect to ya!
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  9. If we could teach politicians to debate in a forum in this manner where they have to read reply/rebuttle maybe we could fix the economy and cure multiple social problems instead of getting nowhere. Pride prevents progress and my way is never the only way. thumbsup: guys!!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by supraseed48 View Post
    If we could teach politicians to debate in a forum in this manner where they have to read reply/rebuttle maybe we could fix the economy and cure multiple social problems instead of getting nowhere. Pride prevents progress and my way is never the only way. thumbsup: guys!!
    Thanks fella. Civil disagreements usually makes someone provide their knowledge and backup what they know. I like these types of threads and reading through them. In regards to the politicians, you are so right about that!

    2 similar minds have disagreements but in a mature manner end up settling it like real men

    If every disagreement was settled like this in the world, their would be peace and love! lol

    Respect to ya!
    Respect back to you my friend. If only all threads had the maturity this thread had.
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  11. Everyone needs a change up in their routine. From the looks of things if your chest is not growing then you need to change things up.

    Try this one, before you do your bench press set, stress out those pecks, do either an incline dumbbell fly (heavy enough that you maintain proper form), my favorite is a cable fly (two way resistance on the cables burns my pecs big time). Then jump on to your press routine, could be a barbell bench press or dumbbell flat bench press.

    Because your pecs are already burning from your fly routine, you will concentrate more blood to the region when your doing your chest press routine.

    Continue your chest routine alternating between push and pull. Focus on working the top, middle and lower section of your pec.

    More importantly stop comparing yourself to others, work on your own form, and have fun.

    Changes will come if you put in the time and effort, just remember "stop counting your REPS, but rather, make every REP count"

  12. Quote Originally Posted by 1ISOGCebuano View Post
    Everyone needs a change up in their routine. From the looks of things if your chest is not growing then you need to change things up.

    Try this one, before you do your bench press set, stress out those pecks, do either an incline dumbbell fly (heavy enough that you maintain proper form), my favorite is a cable fly (two way resistance on the cables burns my pecs big time). Then jump on to your press routine, could be a barbell bench press or dumbbell flat bench press.

    Because your pecs are already burning from your fly routine, you will concentrate more blood to the region when your doing your chest press routine.

    Continue your chest routine alternating between push and pull. Focus on working the top, middle and lower section of your pec.

    More importantly stop comparing yourself to others, work on your own form, and have fun.

    Changes will come if you put in the time and effort, just remember "stop counting your REPS, but rather, make every REP count"
    Hey bro do ya thinkz that chest workouut will work for meh?























    lol

  13. Quote Originally Posted by TheHardOne View Post
    Hey bro do ya thinkz that chest workouut will work for meh?
    lol.... I hope that guy is joking..
















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  14. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    lol.... I hope that guy is joking..
















    lol
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    Me or the other guy? lol I was just trollin' him haha

  15. Me or the other guy? lol I was just trollin' him haha
    The other guy. His advice didn't make sense.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    The other guy. His advice didn't make sense.
    haha just another parasite in this world blindly following a typical flex magazine routine haha

  17. Buddy, all the above aside you need to look at the weight you are pushing. 100lbs...you shouldn't expect much size. Plain and simple.
    Not being mean at all just calling it like I see it. You can have a fairly crappy diet and still develop a descent body (albeit not shredded) and a pretty massive chest if you push good weights and exercise consistently. But, you have to work with fairly heavy weight.
    I don't care if you weigh 145-180lbs you should be benching 225 at least

    My tips: increase 5-10lbs a week for the foreseeable future... Eat healthy, lift progressively heavier, and you will see some growth. Keep a journal to make sure you do not stagnate and log all your lifting. Also, don't over train.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by kBrown View Post
    Buddy, all the above aside you need to look at the weight you are pushing. 100lbs...you shouldn't expect much size. Plain and simple.
    Not being mean at all just calling it like I see it. You can have a fairly crappy diet and still develop a descent body (albeit not shredded) and a pretty massive chest if you push good weights and exercise consistently. But, you have to work with fairly heavy weight.
    I don't care if you weigh 145-180lbs you should be benching 225 at least

    My tips: increase 5-10lbs a week for the foreseeable future... Eat healthy, lift progressively heavier, and you will see some growth. Keep a journal to make sure you do not stagnate and log all your lifting. Also, don't over train.
    The guidelines to whereas someone "should be" lifting are as follows.

    Squat: Weight x's 2
    Deadlift: Weight x's 2.5
    Bench Press: Weight x's 1.5
    Strict Press: Weight x's 1
    Power Clean: Weight x's 1.5
    Rep Squats: Rep your body weight 15 times
    Front Squat: Weight x's 1
    Snatch: Weight x's 1
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    The guidelines to whereas someone "should be" lifting are as follows.

    Squat: Weight x's 2
    Deadlift: Weight x's 2.5
    Bench Press: Weight x's 1.5
    Strict Press: Weight x's 1
    Power Clean: Weight x's 1.5
    Rep Squats: Rep your body weight 15 times
    Front Squat: Weight x's 1
    Snatch: Weight x's 1
    I dont even know what to consider strong anymore, because nowa days it seems like every little 170 pound twig can deadlift 2-3x their bodyweight for reps, 2-3x their bodyweight on squats, and 2x their bodyweight on bench press....lol I won't lie it does get me pissed off(jealous) when I see some twig deadlifting 600 for reps....but then again most of those guys didn't have to work 110 percent to get there, just having those so called "genetics" does wonders. Or extremely short limbs! Okay, okay, im a jealous hater! (even though 600lbs squats/deads were in my arsenal during my senior year in high school) hehe
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by djmikeyspikes View Post
    Why the hell are there guys in the gym benchin like 20lbs more then me but are so much bigger....


    Im eatin a ****load sleeping a lot and training hard and im gaining weight... Just not seein a chest difference
    because size and strength are two different types of training. yes, you are always training the 4 main areas (strength, power, hypertrophy, endurance)
    but depending on the rest, intensity & duration of the training, this will move the focus from one of those 4 onto more than the others.

    example, I train just in the hypertrophy area, and in doing so, one can not be concerned with strength gains, because I am purely concerned with creating a hypertrophic responce, and nothing else. will I get bigger if I lift at 85-95% of my 1rm on all lifts for 3-6 reps, with 2-5 min of rest, 4-5 yes, but it wont be as efficiant as training 70-80% for 8-12 reps, with 45sec-1min of rest, with slow and controled, full, complete range of motion, on every rep.

    there are guys a lot smaller than i who lift a lot more than I. you can go into any gym and see it.

    when you see pictures of body builders lifting weights in magazines, those are just for looks, they openly admit the dont lift "heavy" for what their size is.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by djmikeyspikes View Post
    I bench 100 3set 10 reps

    Then i do a little less on incline 3set 10reps

    And like 80lbs on decline 3set 10rep

    And i mix all that with hammer chest press and puhups on chest day

    Alone with arms
    why dont you try adding in more sets, 3 sets per exercise is the very minimum, and I only use that for beginner clients.

    4 sets, 15,12,10,8, 45sec-1min30sec rest, trying to increase the weight by a2.5-5lbs on each set.

    intensity (weight) goes up, duration (reps) goes down.

    make sure you are hitting full range of motion with the exercises.

    this means for bench, bar goes up just before locking the elbows (do not lock them out), bar comes down (with control) all the way to the chest (lightly touching, not slamming down to bounce off), at nipple level, and repeat.

    dumbells, top of lift, hold the dumbells so they make an A shape, then lower the dumbells, keeping the A shape down to the chest, at nipple level, and lift.

    do not let the arms flare out, this causes your shoulders to take over, if you can not stop this from happening, you are lifting too much weight.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by supraseed48 View Post
    with spotters under each elbow.
    you should never spot at the elbows, mixed grip if spotting with a barbell, and at the wrist for dumbells.

    very unsafe to spot at the elbows.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by supraseed48 View Post
    If he is lifting to impress someone with the little # on the side of the db he can forget getting any bigger. Id rather see a guy pressing the bucks with proper form and control for 10 than a guy flailing the 150's for 6 withWeight is for show and form is for grow. .
    but this here is good advice, and correct.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Agree.



    Chest growth will depend on his calories. Getting a big bench press and expanding his calories will lead to both growth and strength.

    Person A- eats tons of calories and uses progressive overload; growth is inevitable.
    Person B- eats a little bit and uses progressive overload; growth is not likely to occur, but the CNS will teach the muscle that the person alread has to generate force more efficiently - more motor unit activation, delayed stretch from the Golgi Tendon organ, etc. lightweight powerlifter style training.

    You suggest that hypertrophy and strength specific without hypertrophy is separated by tempo while this is inaccurate. Hypertrophy and strength specific without hypertrophy is separated by the amount of calories the person consumes necessary to aid in the growth of the hypertrophy.



    Bad advice. Progressive overload is not a "theory" but is a form of forcing muscular growth through never letting the muscle adapt to a specific stimulus in pounds, volume, tempo or selection. Progressive overload and lots of calories is how hypertrophy is structured.

    Success from progressive overload with famous routines are often in many forms, example: linear progressive resistance, linear periodization, etc. One way or another you gotta make the next workout better than the last or you gave your body no reason to grow.



    Don't see where you're going with this either. You can do your TUT 15-50 second eccentric/concentric phase with the bar all day long but it ain't gonna mean nothing. You need weight on the bar in order for it to count. There's a reason programs with the principles of progressive overload are so successful. You think hypertrophy is all in the technique and TUT but you are wrong. Hypertrophy is all about progressive overload and good nutrition.

    Not to mention there are two forms of hypertrophy, myofibrillar and sarcoplasmic and both are generally stimulated differently than the other.



    Also sounds to me like you're going to train your Type IIA fibers more than your Type I or Type IIB with your presented method. Slow reps with no weight is just going to cause a lactic acid "pump".
    specific adaptations to imposed demands.

    progressive over load, yes, you are correct, but specificity is also key, if ones goals are to get stronger, there is a specific way to train in order to maximize their performance/results.

    you pointed out the myo (muscle) hypertrophy, but I think you failed to understand the specificity of the type of training.

    you will get bigger if you lift heavy in the 3-5 rep range for the higher percentage of your 1rm, with proper rest, but as the data shows, it is not the most effeciant way to gain size.

  25. 1. Try resting shorter and increase the volume of sets. This would increase much more oxygen/nutrient rich blood flow into the targeted muscle which would make the muscle more fuller.

    2. Google Time Under Tension
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