Lifts to size correalation

[kingk0ng]

You are stating what ive already stated just typed in a different manner.

Not at all.

Mark Rippetoe is awesome.

You suggest Rippetoe is awesome and then disagree with everything that he stands for? Nice.

Theirs no winning against people like you I suppose.

Not unless you can back what you say up.

Epic internet meltdown haha

Just stating the facts bro.

You can either believe "Generic" info on the internet. Or actually learn how the body functions via school/college.

There's no "internet meltdown". I provided a response to you and explained why you were wrong and you come at me talking like a broski from jersey shore. If you would like to backup your facts with physiology then feel free to do so. Otherwise I am just wasting my time.

[TheHardOne]

WTF....lol haha heres what you typed...

"You will not eat 4,000 calories a day and not gain a single pound of muscle. I know powerlifters that eat 4-5,000 calories per day of whatever they want when they want and gain arguably MORE muscle in a single cycle then your beloved bodybuilders that has nutritionists do their diets for them. Even when you gain fat your body will gain muscle with it since it puts extra stress on the body to carry yourself around."


After reading that......I AM OUT OF HERE! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rofl

[TheHardOne]

Not at all.



You suggest Rippetoe is awesome and then disagree with everything that he stands for? Nice.



Not unless you can back what you say up.



There's no "internet meltdown". I provided a response to you and explained why you were wrong and you come at me talking like a broski from jersey shore. If you would like to backup your facts with physiology then feel free to do so. Otherwise I am just wasting my time.

When did I disagree with Rippetoe??! lol

Back up what I say? What is their not to believe that I said? With the training argument you got the right idea, im AGREEING WITH YOU on that. Your stating the right info? Is it because I don't want a beginner to take a progressive overload mindset right off the bat? I have reasons for that, which ive already stated. (and are damn good reasons!)

Internet meltdown? lol bro im JUST MESSIN' WITH YA! Cool it homie

What "wrong" info have I given out? I don't give out wrong info, if I give a opinion, ill clearly state it "my opinion".

Ill give ya one more chance to see if you can give me an intelligent response instead of saying im wrong or saying i disagree with Rippetoe or some crazy crap that I never stated lololol.

[TheHardOne]

WTF....lol haha heres what you typed...

"You will not eat 4,000 calories a day and not gain a single pound of muscle. I know powerlifters that eat 4-5,000 calories per day of whatever they want when they want and gain arguably MORE muscle in a single cycle then your beloved bodybuilders that has nutritionists do their diets for them. Even when you gain fat your body will gain muscle with it since it puts extra stress on the body to carry yourself around."


After reading that......I AM OUT OF HERE! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rofl

Omg just read that again.....lol. Gonna foward that to Charles Poliquin, if you don't mind?

[kingk0ng]

When did I disagree with Rippetoe??! lol

You obviously do not know what Rippetoe suggests if you cannot figure this out on your own. Rippetoe is 100% all about progressive overload in linear resistance form for beginner trainees. You are stating this training is "wrong" for a beginner. It is also ironic that Rippetoe is all about proper technique with exercises before accomplishing progressive resistance. He teaches you how to perform the movement accurately, then he has you add weight each workout. After you can no longer make linear gains, you begin periodized training.

Back up what I say? What is their not to believe that I said? With the training argument you got the right idea, im AGREEING WITH YOU on that. Your stating the right info? Is it because I don't want a beginner to take a progressive overload mindset right off the bat? I have reasons for that, which ive already stated. (and are damn good reasons!)

They are terrible reasons. I've already told you why those reasons were wrong. Motor pattern is programmed during early stages of lifting with light weight and maintained during progressive resistance training. You teach your body good form and your body becomes programmed to lift a certain way. Progressive resistance is made possible through a higher % of activation of muscle fibers and increased motor unit activity.

What "wrong" info have I given out? I don't give out wrong info, if I give a opinion, ill clearly state it "my opinion".

How the body works isn't an opinion. I posted cold facts on motor unit programming and why linear progressive resistance is possible.

Ill give ya one more chance to see if you can give me an intelligent response instead of saying im wrong or saying i disagree with Rippetoe or some crazy crap that I never stated lololol.

I've already responded to you. If you would like to disagree or correct errors in any of my posts, feel free to do so.

WTF....lol haha heres what you typed...

"You will not eat 4,000 calories a day and not gain a single pound of muscle. I know powerlifters that eat 4-5,000 calories per day of whatever they want when they want and gain arguably MORE muscle in a single cycle then your beloved bodybuilders that has nutritionists do their diets for them. Even when you gain fat your body will gain muscle with it since it puts extra stress on the body to carry yourself around."


After reading that......I AM OUT OF HERE! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rofl

So what exactly was inaccurate in that post?

Here is Dave Tate, a powerlifter at Westside Barbell. Research his diet. I remember it had a lot to do with McDonalds and eating stuff I wouldn't dare eat during a day. Look at the LBM he has.

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&b...1t:429,r:9,s:0

Now that picture IS after he cut some weight, but all of that LBM was gained in his years of training where he was on an A&E diet.

[TheHardOne]

Dave Tate is one badass dude!

Okay so what's your point lol

(no really that dude is the definition of badass!)

[kingk0ng]

Well we can agree upon Dave Tate being a badass. He is one of my favorite authors.

The point in the picture of Tate was to show the LBM gained by powerlifters while on an A&E diet.

lol and nice sig.

[TheHardOne]

Awesome

[TheHardOne]

My point is for a beginner to drop the ego and learn how to execute their movements, then slowly learn the fundamentals about the CNS / hypertrophy techniques.

That is all. Addressing one step before the most important steps for long term success ends up in epic failure. (thats my point)

Lets leave it at that.

[kingk0ng]

My point is for a beginner to drop the ego and learn how to execute their movements, then slowly learn the fundamentals about the CNS / hypertrophy techniques.

That is all. Addressing one step before the most important steps for long term success ends up in epic failure. (thats my point)

Lets leave it at that.

Form and technique is always the first thing taught to novices by successful coaches. According to Mark Rippetoe and Bill Starr, you are a novice until you cannot make linear progression on compound movements anymore.

My point is, you start extremely LIGHT on a linear based program, then after your technique is accomplished you add 5-10lbs per workout. That is the same principles Rippetoe suggests to every novice lifter on earth. That is what I am saying. You said "forget the progressive overload" and starting talking about TUT.

Isometric, eccentric, concentric <<< three different phases of a lift. Your 15 second pause or whatever solely focused on isometrics.

[TheHardOne]

Form and technique is always the first thing taught to novices by successful coaches. According to Mark Rippetoe and Bill Starr, you are a novice until you cannot make linear progression on compound movements anymore.

My point is, you start extremely LIGHT on a linear based program, then after your technique is accomplished you add 5-10lbs per workout. That is the same principles Rippetoe suggests to every novice lifter on earth. That is what I am saying. You said "forget the progressive overload" and starting talking about TUT.

Isometric, eccentric, concentric <<< three different phases of a lift. Your 15 second pause or whatever solely focused on isometrics.

I know.

I said forget progressive overload so he can drop the ego and learn how to execute his movements optimally for his goals. Obviously you thought I meant "forget progressive overload FOREVER"....which is not what I meant.

With all this knowledge you must be way bigger than Thehardone the 19 year old Phenom!!! hahah lol just bustin' your balls!

Cheers

[kingk0ng]

I said forget progressive overload so he can drop the ego and learn how to execute his movements optimally for his goals. Obviously you thought I meant "forget progressive overload FOREVER"....which is not what I meant.

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OK yeah I agree with that.

With all this knowledge you must be way bigger than Thehardone the 19 year old Phenom!!! hahah lol just bustin' your balls!

You seem to be pretty big for 19 in your avatar pic. I don't look quite as big as you. I try to stay kind of smaller so I can get around a lot easier in the mountains, boxing, grappling, or running and stuff. I'm probably a shade or two smaller than you are.

Cheers

Good talking. Goodnight!

[TheHardOne]

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OK yeah I agree with that.



You seem to be pretty big for 19 in your avatar pic. I don't look quite as big as you. I try to stay kind of smaller so I can get around a lot easier in the mountains, boxing, grappling, or running and stuff. I'm probably a shade or two smaller than you are.



Good talking. Goodnight!

2 similar minds have disagreements but in a mature manner end up settling it like real men

If every disagreement was settled like this in the world, their would be peace and love! lol

Respect to ya!

[supraseed48]

If we could teach politicians to debate in a forum in this manner where they have to read reply/rebuttle maybe we could fix the economy and cure multiple social problems instead of getting nowhere. Pride prevents progress and my way is never the only way. thumbsup: guys!!

[kingk0ng]

If we could teach politicians to debate in a forum in this manner where they have to read reply/rebuttle maybe we could fix the economy and cure multiple social problems instead of getting nowhere. Pride prevents progress and my way is never the only way. thumbsup: guys!!

Thanks fella. Civil disagreements usually makes someone provide their knowledge and backup what they know. I like these types of threads and reading through them. In regards to the politicians, you are so right about that!

2 similar minds have disagreements but in a mature manner end up settling it like real men

If every disagreement was settled like this in the world, their would be peace and love! lol

Respect to ya!

Respect back to you my friend. If only all threads had the maturity this thread had.

[1ISOGCebuano]

Everyone needs a change up in their routine. From the looks of things if your chest is not growing then you need to change things up.

Try this one, before you do your bench press set, stress out those pecks, do either an incline dumbbell fly (heavy enough that you maintain proper form), my favorite is a cable fly (two way resistance on the cables burns my pecs big time). Then jump on to your press routine, could be a barbell bench press or dumbbell flat bench press.

Because your pecs are already burning from your fly routine, you will concentrate more blood to the region when your doing your chest press routine.

Continue your chest routine alternating between push and pull. Focus on working the top, middle and lower section of your pec.

More importantly stop comparing yourself to others, work on your own form, and have fun.

Changes will come if you put in the time and effort, just remember "stop counting your REPS, but rather, make every REP count"

[TheHardOne]

Everyone needs a change up in their routine. From the looks of things if your chest is not growing then you need to change things up.

Try this one, before you do your bench press set, stress out those pecks, do either an incline dumbbell fly (heavy enough that you maintain proper form), my favorite is a cable fly (two way resistance on the cables burns my pecs big time). Then jump on to your press routine, could be a barbell bench press or dumbbell flat bench press.

Because your pecs are already burning from your fly routine, you will concentrate more blood to the region when your doing your chest press routine.

Continue your chest routine alternating between push and pull. Focus on working the top, middle and lower section of your pec.

More importantly stop comparing yourself to others, work on your own form, and have fun.

Changes will come if you put in the time and effort, just remember "stop counting your REPS, but rather, make every REP count"

Hey bro do ya thinkz that chest workouut will work for meh?























lol

[kingk0ng]

Hey bro do ya thinkz that chest workouut will work for meh?

lol.... I hope that guy is joking..
















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[TheHardOne]

lol.... I hope that guy is joking..
















lol

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Me or the other guy? lol I was just trollin' him haha

[kingk0ng]

Me or the other guy? lol I was just trollin' him haha

The other guy. His advice didn't make sense.