Why do so many roid boys do natural shows?
10-31-2011 10:00 PM
do you have any links to show PH are toxic?
I dont do them, but i KNOW they are toxic- I'm not retarted. But i wanted a link of actual info to send to a friend of mine, who thinks they're OK just b/c they are legal.
10-31-2011 11:32 PM
is that supposed to be sarcastic or a real comment?
11-01-2011 09:06 AM
Nah dude its real. Im serious. I dont take PH. My buddy does. Hes just plain old stupid, and doesnt know they're bad for you. I just was wondering if you knew any SPECIFIC links, that I could send to him.
11-01-2011 10:13 AM
not off the top of my head, but im sure you could find some if you google.... i prefer peoples blood work reports mid-cycle though, and you can find a lot of those around here if you dig deep enough.
11-01-2011 09:38 PM
What does toxic mean?
If you are talking about hepatoxicity, I'd rather do controlled cycles of a PH for 6-8 weeks at a time than take tylenol every day for aches and pains...
11-01-2011 09:55 PM
Dude. I NEVER suggested taking tylenol or asprin ever day. And youre stupid if you compare the dmg from that to the dmg caused by PH. Asprin doesnt suppress your bodys normal fxn of creating tst
11-01-2011 09:56 PM
And if you have a headache or aches and pains every day you need to go to the damn chiropractor. nobody should feel like that. you're not 80 yrs old.
11-01-2011 10:00 PM
and why would that be?
tylenol poses no threat to a healthy individual, taking a normal dosage, who isnt drinking because their body is able to detoxify the metabolite which actually causes the liver problems in tylenol. its not actually the acetaminophen thats toxic, its the metabolite produced in the liver, which is detoxified in most circumstances.
11-01-2011 10:58 PM
Why are you being so volatile? Where is the need to call me stupid? I was asking what you meant by toxic? And you still didn't answer.
Originally Posted by aceroni
Tylenol is not aspirin. I never said aspirin anywhere.
11-01-2011 10:59 PM
11-01-2011 11:00 PM
I understand the pharmacology of tylenol, trust me. It was more in the context of long term habitual usage.
Originally Posted by bill86
11-01-2011 11:02 PM
well then, yeah, but thats kind of comparing apples to oranges if you're not going to compare them on the same basis.
11-01-2011 11:06 PM
I was just asking what this guy meant by toxic. He never defined it. I don't consider down regulation of testosterone production a toxic effect. It's a negative feedback loop, it has nothing to do with a chemical being a poison.
And just for 'bar trivia' tylenol causes more liver failure related deaths than all other drugs combined.
11-01-2011 11:10 PM
That is flawed logic. Giving an example of a drug that is more liver toxic long term does not change the fact that oral methylated prohormones are liver toxic or justify its use. It is not like someone has the choice to either run a PH cycle or go on tylenol for the rest of their life. And the tylenol usage is for quality of life improvements, not for performance enhancement benefits.
Originally Posted by TheProfessor
11-01-2011 11:14 PM
I don't understand all the hate.
The reason for drug usage is not relevant. Nor am I justifying the use. I feel like people are putting words in my mouth?
The whole statement was said in jest because he never defined his term 'toxic' or 'bad for you' and therefore it was tough to respond to his post.
I consider performance enhancement a quality of life improvement :-p
11-01-2011 11:18 PM
I am not hating on you just seemed like you were justifying PH usage based on another drug being toxic...I hate logic like that pet peeve of mine lol.
11-01-2011 11:21 PM
I'm not justifying anything .
I was literally just trying to understand what he was saying so I can be productive in the thread.
But, on a personal note, I'd rather use my glutathione for other biochemistry than to eat up ****ty OTC drug metabolites. That's a waste of good glutathione!
11-01-2011 11:24 PM
Sounds like there might be a whey to help you with that problem
11-01-2011 11:27 PM
I suppose I should have abandoned my legitimate urge to help when 'retarded' was spelled 'retarted' while simultaneously being called stupid by the same person.
11-01-2011 11:33 PM
@ the proffessor. "
I apologize brother I misread everything. By toxic I just meant the LIVER damage.
I mean cmon, we all know that oral PH's are actually worse than injectibles because you are making the liver work really hard to break down that pill...
Idk the exact science behind it, idk much about them, but I do know that above statement. (I dont take either PH or real steroids, i'm a natty bb)
But I do know alot of people that have been bodybuilding for quite some time and have taken real injectibles and all have told me that the orals are much worse for you!
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