Why do so many roid boys do natural shows?

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  1. Hard work is extremely important in any endeavor that you wish to succeed in. However, you have person A and person B: both work pretty close to 100% towards their goal. Person A has better genetics in this area than person B...guess who is going to be more likely to succeed? I have always been gifted with understanding science classes (not so much with muscle building, which is what got me into weight lifting to begin with). I can study for only a few hours and get an A on a test when friends have to study for weeks and get a lower grade. Genetics is huge..but you all are right it is NOT everything.


  2. I personally think the playing field is MORE level when there is NO drug testing. One just assumes everyone is on everything, or people just don't talk about it or don't care. Drug testing only creates an advantage to those who have the capacity to get around it.

    As we have just witnessed, people only question 'natural champions' when they win. It's never the other way around.

    I am not on one side or the other. Just my observations.
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  3. Ya, but even then, if a BB has a good year, you never really know if this was the year he did superdrol.

  4. I think this Kyoshi Moody has one of my favorite natty builds of all the ones I've ever seen. That taper, God.

  5. Yeah, seen him in person, monster. Mike waddington from Australia was craaazy (2nd to kiyoshi). Stoked to judge the Olympia this year
    My goal as a natural bodybuilder is to improve constantly, and win my pro card, while making an increasing amount of people doubt that I'm natural ;)
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  6. I knew a guy that was locked up and when he came home dude was jacked ripped and I pretty sure he wasn't on roids

  7. So.. I compete naturally. My buddy takes prohormones, and thinks he should compete "naturally" too. He JUST took mdrol, and is planning on doing a show in april. Is that considered cheating?

    I for one, think if you're taking drugs (PH/AAS/ CLEN) up to a natural show, you're not only a cheater, but a COWARD.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    So.. I compete naturally. My buddy takes prohormones, and thinks he should compete "naturally" too. He JUST took mdrol, and is planning on doing a show in april. Is that considered cheating?

    I for one, think if you're taking drugs (PH/AAS/ CLEN) up to a natural show, you're not only a cheater, but a COWARD.
    M-drol/superdrol is a pretty potent steroid which is not natural.....

  9. Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    M-drol/superdrol is a pretty potent steroid which is not natural.....
    What? I thought superdrol was an extract from the four-leafed Trifolium repens?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni
    So.. I compete naturally. My buddy takes prohormones, and thinks he should compete "naturally" too. He JUST took mdrol, and is planning on doing a show in april. Is that considered cheating?

    I for one, think if you're taking drugs (PH/AAS/ CLEN) up to a natural show, you're not only a cheater, but a COWARD.
    Yes that is cheating! None of that is natural, tell him to man up and do npc. I'm probably doing an npc show next year and I'm totally natural...
    My goal as a natural bodybuilder is to improve constantly, and win my pro card, while making an increasing amount of people doubt that I'm natural ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    So.. I compete naturally. My buddy takes prohormones, and thinks he should compete "naturally" too. He JUST took mdrol, and is planning on doing a show in april. Is that considered cheating?

    I for one, think if you're taking drugs (PH/AAS/ CLEN) up to a natural show, you're not only a cheater, but a COWARD.
    I couldn't agree with you more.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by emekajokammor
    Good thread here and nice signature Firmanator!
    Thank you!
    My goal as a natural bodybuilder is to improve constantly, and win my pro card, while making an increasing amount of people doubt that I'm natural ;)

  14. There are local junior shows that I was tempted to compete in a couple of years ago before I reached the age limit. The standard was very low and I was confident that I would have done well, even though I am not in bodybuilding shape.

    I have taken ephedrine pre workout on multiple occasions which is on the banned substances list. Although a friend of mine told me he thought it was no big deal I know it would have tainted my view should I have placed well or won because technically I did something that was against the rules.

    That is my own personal opinion. I know that people can say "yes but when you 'know' everyone else is on something, you are just levelling the field" maybe so, but I wouldn't have felt good winning if I was one of them either.
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  15. exactly bdcc. But this kid is a fat boy baby back bitch. Hes 19 yrs old and has done more than 3 cycles of M-drol... And as far as other PH's hes cycled, more than I can count. His liver almost failed once he had to get some sort of vitamins to heal it back up..
    what about the "natural" test boosters, like Anabeta, IGF2, and free test?
    I was thinking about trying an IGF2/ft/litup stack. is that considered unnatural? Would i be "cheating" if i were to do a drugtested show after that? I figured since it was natural and doesnt need a PCT, then yah its ok. What do you guys think??!

  16. In my eyes, only substances that are found naturally are natural and ok. Everything else is cheating. So basically only creatine, bcaas, and herbs/minerals/vitamins are ok.
    My goal as a natural bodybuilder is to improve constantly, and win my pro card, while making an increasing amount of people doubt that I'm natural ;)

  17. Testosterone, Insulin, growth hormone are all naturally occurring and EVERYWHERE...

    If you think it's cheating because they are synthesized then 99% of the things in dietary supplements should be cheating. Caffeine, Vit D/C/E/A Creatine... BCAA's...

    I'm not raggin I'm just saying based off of that argument there is a very fuzzy line.

    Most people equate 'unnatural' or 'cheating' with injections, and I feel this just isn't the case. If it were up to me I'd just inject everything. At least you know it's in you, whether it's a multi or insulin.

    If you equate hormones to unnatural this just simply isn't the case either. As Vitamin D is CLEARLY a hormone.

    I don't think it's terms of natural or unnatural anymore. It's just whether the organization you compete in has banned it. Because arguing about what is natural and what isn't is silly.

  18. Feel free to give examples. But that's what's on most banned lists....everything naturally occurring is basically ok. I know there's test, tribulus, which is an herb, as I said.
    Caffeine, vit d, bcaas etc are all naturally occurring substances...
    My goal as a natural bodybuilder is to improve constantly, and win my pro card, while making an increasing amount of people doubt that I'm natural ;)

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Firmanator View Post
    Feel free to give examples. But that's what's on most banned lists....everything naturally occurring is basically ok. I know there's test, tribulus, which is an herb, as I said.
    This is my point. I have edited my post above to reflect that. It's not in terms of natural or unnatural, it's in terms of what is banned or not.

    If I gathered 10's of thousands of gallons of my own urine (don't challenge me), isolated the testosterone from it and injected that, wouldn't it be natural?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Firmanator View Post
    Caffeine, vit d, bcaas etc are all naturally occurring substances...
    Right, testosterone is a naturally occurring substance too. Just as natural as the synthesized caffeine and BCAA's.

  21. Yeah I know the line is fuzzy, kinda sucks. I was just giving general guidelines...of course what really matters is making sure what's on or off the banned list.
    If you really want to harvest test from your urine, yeah you'd probably pass the drug test
    Yeah I think the problem is when someone's test levels become unnaturally high. Not sure how they determine that
    My goal as a natural bodybuilder is to improve constantly, and win my pro card, while making an increasing amount of people doubt that I'm natural ;)

  22. I agree, like I said, I'm not arguing. It's just more of a semantic issue for me. There are bodbuilders/athletes that are tested for banned substances that some third party organization has deemed banned and bodybuilders/athletes NOT tested for banned substances that a third party organization has deemed banned.. Not natural and unnatural.

    If you discover and use a substance that is not on the banned compound list then you fall within the rules of the 'natural' organization. If they end up banning it after then it's an ex post facto situation anyway.

    This is why I feel untested organizations actually have a MORE level playing field. You aren't at any disadvantage.
    If anyone does particularly well in a tested organization everyone is just leery of them 'cheating' anyway. It gets really old.

  23. Yup exactly, I hear ya on all that.
    The only time I'm really questioning someone is when they have an ab belly and massive gyno like a dude at the show I recently judged haha it looked ridiculous
    My goal as a natural bodybuilder is to improve constantly, and win my pro card, while making an increasing amount of people doubt that I'm natural ;)

  24. i just feel like anything thats going to boost your test or gh PAST natural limits is unnatural... test may be natural, but its unnatural to have levels at like 1500, you know?

    i guess im cynical because where im from i see guys that are SO small who have taken ph's/aas and im in such disbelief that when i see someone of a decent size im like 'oh, theyre DEFINITELY on it'..... that and so many local bb'ers have told me they arent on anything (especially when i was in my teens, i guess trying to be a good influence haha), then i find out theyre on all kinds of ****.

    but the REAL question is.... no offense to any amateur bb'er, you all look 10x better than me, but whether on it or not, amateur bb'ers just look SO small on stage after seeing pros... so WHAT exactly do these pro's put in their bodies to look THAT absurd? lol... i know genetics plays a part, but come on... i was talking to my friend the other day, these guys we see at the gym that are ENORMOUS look soooo small in their bb pics compared to the pros (i know you cant compare this to a pro, but when youre like 5'10 240-250 lean as hell, you look HUUUUUGEE in real life, but then smaller in pics)

  25. I don't know any natural pros anywhere near 240 on stage lol. Even moody is around 205 I think onstage. If you're contest weight is over 200 you're big for a natty...
    My goal as a natural bodybuilder is to improve constantly, and win my pro card, while making an increasing amount of people doubt that I'm natural ;)
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