5-AT in lean extreme
- 01-22-2011, 03:44 PM
- 01-22-2011, 05:55 PM
01-22-2011, 09:56 PM
01-23-2011, 12:28 AM
As far as DCP and the H.E.A.T. Stack, they are fine to use also.
There is a copy of the "Banned Substances" list on the INBF and WNBF websites - brief and in full; I recommend that you go read it.
If in doubt about anything, contact Charlie and ask about it - his email is [email protected].
01-23-2011, 02:49 AM
Activate Xtreme and Triazole seem to be fine, is that correct ?
Edit: I just researched and found that the old formula was allowed and that the new one might not be, can you please correct me if I'm wrong, here is the pr I found
7-KETO DHEA TAKEN OFF WNBF BANNED SUBSTANCES LIST!
For the FIRST TIME EVER, a compound has been TAKEN OFF the WNBF Banned Substances List. The compound in question is the fat-burning supplement 7-Keto DHEA (also known as 7-OXO DHEA), and it will be allowed for use by WNBF members as of June 1, 2007.
The WNBF has been doing independent research on supplements since its inception in 1990, in order to help natural athletes avoid compounds that are dangerous, ineffective, illegal or all three. Steroids have always been on the banned list, and when prohormones became a problem due to athletes failing urine tests for "legal supplements," the WNBF became the first sports federation to ban their use. This was in 1999. It took the FDA and U.S. Federal Government six years to validate the WNBF stance, when they banned androstenedione, norandro and other prohormonal products for sale.
The ruling in the WNBF extended to all compounds with prohormonal tendencies, including DHEA, androstenetrione, A7-E and all others. This also included 7-Keto DHEA. HOWEVER, since March 2006 the WNBF has been doing additional investigation into the safety, fat-burning efficacy and possible steroidal tendencies of 7-Keto. After over a year of review of studies submitted by the Humanetics Corporation to the FDA and State of California, as well as research by the government of Australia and independent research in the scientific community, the WNBF has determined 7-Keto DHEA will be REMOVED from the Banned Substances List. This is due to the following reasons:
The FDA has ruled on two occasions in response to applications by Humanetics, Inc., that 7-Keto DHEA is safe for consumers when used for fat-loss.
Safety rulings by the State of California and the Australian Government Dept. of Health and Ageing, Office of Chemical Safety also ruled the compound as safe.
The Australian Government Dept. of Health and Ageing, Office of Chemical Safety ruled in March 2007 that "Data from published literature establishes that whilst structurally related to DHEA and testosterone, 7-Keto DHEA does not have biological action at the androgen receptor. Thus this substance is not expected to produce an androgenic effect."
Review of clinical research by Dr. Zenk shows that 7-Keto DHEA is introduced to the Metabolic Pathway in the body beyond DHEA, and does not trigger androstenedione or androstenediol production in the body. It occupies a "metabolic dead end" that doesn't cause anabolism in the body. Therefore, 7-Keto DHEA does not cause anabolic changes, nor will it trigger a urine test failure.
Dr. Zenk explains that 7-Keto DHEA triggers fat loss by a means other than increasing norepinepherine production (as does ephedra, caffeine, etc.). It instead activates three thermogenic enzymes that are required for fatty acid metabolism. By activating Acetyl CoA (a sustrate in the Krebs cycle), 7-Keto assists the body in metabolizing fatty acids, which spurs safe weight (fat) loss. 7-Keto declines with age, and is excreted in the urine. It has been studied as a weight-loss compound for more than 16 years and is non-toxic, non-anabolic and without any serious side effects.
As a result of the research presented to the WNBF and studied by its Executive Committee and its supplement advisors, the federation has ruled that 7-Keto DHEA is allowable for use.
HOWEVER, this ruling applies to 7-Keto DHEA (aka 7-OXO DHEA) ONLY. The fat-burning compounds sold as A7-D and A7-E are NOT allowed, nor are any that contain "etiochollonane" or "etiocholene" or other HORMONAL COMPOUNDS.
As always, it is up to WNBF members to carefully investigate their products BEFORE USING THEM. Failure to do so (which results in the use of a banned substance) will still be cause for failure and expulsion from the WNBF.
– Steve Downs, C.S.C.S.
01-23-2011, 10:31 AM
I asked about Triazole and did not get a response, actually. Activate Xtreme should be ok. Looking at the ingredient profiles of both products, they should be fine. However, some might say that ANYthing that increases your Testosterone will not be allowed (the "Banned Substances" list that competitors must sign before each competition states "A T/E ratio in excess of 6:1 is ruled as positive, no matter what the cause"), so it never hurts to double-check anything you're unsure about (I just send a copy of the ingredient profiles through).
There's not a lot of difference in the ingredient profiles of the original Lean Xtreme and the reformulated version - the 7-oxo DHEA was excluded from the latter - so therefore the reformulated one should be fine. However, as I said before, you can always double-check after you've gone over the "Banned Substance" list yourself - the detailed one gives comprehensive information re names, etc. of compounds that are not allowed.
Another person yo can contact about this is Rich Fitter - his email is [email protected].
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