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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    here's my view:
    if it was created in a lab, it ain't natural. if you can't get it from food, it ain't natural. if it was 'made from' something natural, it isn't natural. LOL

    natural is natural is natural.

    Examples of natural: amino acids, dietary nootropics, herbs
    how about OTC bodybuilding. As far as aminos...are you talking from food sources? Slippery Slope....lol
    Is anything we do in life "natural"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackadjuster View Post
    how about OTC bodybuilding.
    what does OTC bb'ing refer to?
    Quote Originally Posted by slackadjuster View Post
    As far as aminos...are you talking from food sources? Slippery Slope....lol
    I'm talking about from a food source or from a supplement.
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    I competed as a natural in the UK for many years. From late 80's through to mid 90's the most unnatural thing I took was whey protein. Won numerous titles including nationals as a heavyweight in the ANB - the then leading UK fed which produced some of the greatest naturals in the world - Rob Hope, Nigel Davis and Andrew Palmer et al.

    The IOC list of banned substances/compounds should be the standard, and I also beleive that a true natural should have never taken any AAS/GH insulin etc.. even if it was many years ago. YOU ARE NEVER AGAIN NATURAL and a cheat.

    Let me expand I ceased competing a number of years ago and for numerous personal reasons in the last 18 months have tried OTC designer steriods - 3 cycles so far, I do not plan to ever compete again but if I did it would obviously not be in a natural show!

    I am very conservative with my AAS use and wait a number of months between cycles, and imo if you have good genetics its wholy possible to maintain most of the early AAS gains long term. At a guess I have but on and maintained around 25lbs if I was to compete in a natural show in a year or 2 I would pass all tests and to my knowledge there wouldn't be a senior in the world (I competed at the top level as a natural remember) who could stand next to me, I competed against many in the ANB who did this and it was one of the reasons why I stopped competing.

    Anyway for those of you that stay clean good on you all and the best of luck in your endevours.
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    just wanted to know it says your 242 is that your weight in that pic or is that off season weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Oh your wrong about that, anybody with years of experience in the sport can tell. Yes there are the borderline cases where, it could be good genetics. That's why visual screening won't work either. Some are just obvious though. Oh and the testing is not extensive in many shows, we are all aware of the problem. Like I said I don't too caught up in it. The way I look at it is, if you come in looking your best your a winner.
    Is it something with the veins, or ballonishness of the muscle? Can you say what you look for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Is it something with the veins, or ballonishness of the muscle? Can you say what you look for?
    One thing about unnatural muscle is it sort of looks like plate metal (sometimes). Not to say naturals can't get very hard but you often see a different type of hardness in non-naturals. It's hard to explain but you know it when you see it. My eye is ok but many have better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    One thing about unnatural muscle is it sort of looks like plate metal (sometimes). Not to say naturals can't get very hard but you often see a different type of hardness in non-naturals. It's hard to explain but you know it when you see it. My eye is ok but many have better.
    While it might not be the best explanation for someone who doesn't know what your talking about, I think I get it.


    I think the ladies deffinately like the natural look better most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    here's my view:
    if it was created in a lab, it ain't natural. if you can't get it from food, it ain't natural. if it was 'made from' something natural, it isn't natural. LOL

    natural is natural is natural.

    Examples of natural: amino acids, dietary nootropics, herbs
    Agreed!
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