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  1. Quote Originally Posted by classic27 View Post
    I dont understand how you know these guys were not natural. Obviously they passed the test for a natural show. I know that they did not tell you that they were using and I dont think there is anyway to tell by looking. Some guys just have great genetics. You can't nock them because they are big and ripped. Thats the goal of this sport. If they failed the test or someone knew for sure that they were using then yes I agree that they are losers but don't judge them because they look great.
    Oh your wrong about that, anybody with years of experience in the sport can tell. Yes there are the borderline cases where, it could be good genetics. That's why visual screening won't work either. Some are just obvious though. Oh and the testing is not extensive in many shows, we are all aware of the problem. Like I said I don't too caught up in it. The way I look at it is, if you come in looking your best your a winner.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug


  2. Quote Originally Posted by classic27 View Post
    I dont understand how you know these guys were not natural. Obviously they passed the test for a natural show. I know that they did not tell you that they were using and I dont think there is anyway to tell by looking. Some guys just have great genetics. You can't nock them because they are big and ripped. Thats the goal of this sport. If they failed the test or someone knew for sure that they were using then yes I agree that they are losers but don't judge them because they look great.
    ive spent enough time in the gym...and used enough supplements and gear.....I KNOW, YES i KNOW 100% when a guy is on SOMETHING! I might not guess exactly what it is...but if you know the gym game... you can tell when someones "ON" OR HAS BEEN ON SOMETHING.

    .02 and noone is juding someone for looking good, we judge then for using gear or hormones and then telling everyone " Oh I just use creatine" ya sure you do! fck off!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    sooo what classifies natural? NPC rule is anything that can NOT be bought legally by the public makes you not. So PHs are ok but SERMs will ruin it for you.

    Others say any type of PH is not natural.

    hmmmm....any thoughts? Anyone know any of the other orginizations rules on it?
    if you've taken hdrol/mdrol/etc. you cannot consider yourself natural IMO. even if it's OTC.

  4. What if some one experiments with steroids or prohormones but then gets off and decides they want to train natural for now on. Should they never consider themselves natural or compete natural because of their past mistakes?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by classic27 View Post
    What if some one experiments with steroids or prohormones but then gets off and decides they want to train natural for now on. Should they never consider themselves natural or compete natural because of their past mistakes?
    Most organizations have a 5 year waiting period..
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
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  6. I am just curious, do you know what the rules for NPC Team Universe are? I always wondered how the team universe naturals are so huge. They seem to be bigger than a lot of the natural pro bodybuilders in other organizations.

  7. I think Team U is one year drug free.

  8. The lie detector tests are a joke. They don't even ask if have read the banned substance list. They just ask if you have taken any substances on the list. If you have never read it....how can you knowingly lie about taking something on it??????

    Still.....why cheat? I don't know if I want to compete anymore because of all the rules. You can't take anything!

  9. I think if you are in a natural show you should compete as a natural. If not, enter a regular bb show. this is bb, not other sports where "maybe" "everyone" does it. Steroids are a bb staple. you either do or you don't, or you aren't on it "right now". But if you juice and compete as a natural, you deserve for me to show up to your house and beat your a$$. How can you do all the hard work (juiced or natural, its all hard work, i admit that) and then lose your integrity and lie and say you are natural if you are not?

    Back to the "what is natural?" debate, I think, no steroids or PH. Other than that you are good. I'm natural btw, not hating on juicers, just saying pick on someone your own size haha. but not really, im 6 ft 240, but there are advantages to using the juice that make it unfair. my hear goes out to DreamWeaver in his uphill battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    sooo what classifies natural?
    here's my view:
    if it was created in a lab, it ain't natural. if you can't get it from food, it ain't natural. if it was 'made from' something natural, it isn't natural. LOL

    natural is natural is natural.

    Examples of natural: amino acids, dietary nootropics, herbs

  11. Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    here's my view:
    if it was created in a lab, it ain't natural. if you can't get it from food, it ain't natural. if it was 'made from' something natural, it isn't natural. LOL

    natural is natural is natural.

    Examples of natural: amino acids, dietary nootropics, herbs
    how about OTC bodybuilding. As far as aminos...are you talking from food sources? Slippery Slope....lol
    Is anything we do in life "natural"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackadjuster View Post
    how about OTC bodybuilding.
    what does OTC bb'ing refer to?
    Quote Originally Posted by slackadjuster View Post
    As far as aminos...are you talking from food sources? Slippery Slope....lol
    I'm talking about from a food source or from a supplement.

  13. I competed as a natural in the UK for many years. From late 80's through to mid 90's the most unnatural thing I took was whey protein. Won numerous titles including nationals as a heavyweight in the ANB - the then leading UK fed which produced some of the greatest naturals in the world - Rob Hope, Nigel Davis and Andrew Palmer et al.

    The IOC list of banned substances/compounds should be the standard, and I also beleive that a true natural should have never taken any AAS/GH insulin etc.. even if it was many years ago. YOU ARE NEVER AGAIN NATURAL and a cheat.

    Let me expand I ceased competing a number of years ago and for numerous personal reasons in the last 18 months have tried OTC designer steriods - 3 cycles so far, I do not plan to ever compete again but if I did it would obviously not be in a natural show!

    I am very conservative with my AAS use and wait a number of months between cycles, and imo if you have good genetics its wholy possible to maintain most of the early AAS gains long term. At a guess I have but on and maintained around 25lbs if I was to compete in a natural show in a year or 2 I would pass all tests and to my knowledge there wouldn't be a senior in the world (I competed at the top level as a natural remember) who could stand next to me, I competed against many in the ANB who did this and it was one of the reasons why I stopped competing.

    Anyway for those of you that stay clean good on you all and the best of luck in your endevours.

  14. just wanted to know it says your 242 is that your weight in that pic or is that off season weight.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Oh your wrong about that, anybody with years of experience in the sport can tell. Yes there are the borderline cases where, it could be good genetics. That's why visual screening won't work either. Some are just obvious though. Oh and the testing is not extensive in many shows, we are all aware of the problem. Like I said I don't too caught up in it. The way I look at it is, if you come in looking your best your a winner.
    Is it something with the veins, or ballonishness of the muscle? Can you say what you look for?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Is it something with the veins, or ballonishness of the muscle? Can you say what you look for?
    One thing about unnatural muscle is it sort of looks like plate metal (sometimes). Not to say naturals can't get very hard but you often see a different type of hardness in non-naturals. It's hard to explain but you know it when you see it. My eye is ok but many have better.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  17. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    One thing about unnatural muscle is it sort of looks like plate metal (sometimes). Not to say naturals can't get very hard but you often see a different type of hardness in non-naturals. It's hard to explain but you know it when you see it. My eye is ok but many have better.
    While it might not be the best explanation for someone who doesn't know what your talking about, I think I get it.


    I think the ladies deffinately like the natural look better most of the time.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    here's my view:
    if it was created in a lab, it ain't natural. if you can't get it from food, it ain't natural. if it was 'made from' something natural, it isn't natural. LOL

    natural is natural is natural.

    Examples of natural: amino acids, dietary nootropics, herbs
    Agreed!
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