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Well, just for forum convenience, those subjects have their own forum. I think this is meant to strategy and encouragement talk for those that edge towards that approach (non-hormonal).sooo what classifies natural? NPC rule is anything that can NOT be bought legally by the public makes you not. So PHs are ok but SERMs will ruin it for you.
Others say any type of PH is not natural.
hmmmm....any thoughts? Anyone know any of the other orginizations rules on it?
it's pretty strict. I went to all the sites as I plan on competing naturally. To sum it up from what I read, you pretty much can only take your basic non-hormonal supplements, with test boosters only being the herbal ones.sooo what classifies natural? NPC rule is anything that can NOT be bought legally by the public makes you not. So PHs are ok but SERMs will ruin it for you.
Others say any type of PH is not natural.
hmmmm....any thoughts? Anyone know any of the other orginizations rules on it?
LOL :rofl:... To sum it up from what I read, you pretty much can only take your basic non-hormonal supplements, with test boosters only being the herbal ones.
no clen, no pro hormones, no anti-aromatase, no ECA, etc. ...
Natural Bodybuilding = Using hormonals, but only months before competitions, so when they compete they're "clean"
Not to beat a dead horse on the subject, but the truth is you can define "Natural" however you want to. Some say certain supps are ok, some say all "over the counter" supps (ones you can purchase legally) are ok, and some are as strict as saying NO SUPPS would be natural. Me...I adhere more to the "if it's legally sold, it's natural". I don't take advantage per se of everything that entails, but I believe that nonetheless.sooo what classifies natural? NPC rule is anything that can NOT be bought legally by the public makes you not. So PHs are ok but SERMs will ruin it for you.
Others say any type of PH is not natural.
hmmmm....any thoughts? Anyone know any of the other orginizations rules on it?
your probably right on that one brother, but I tell you one thing...anyone who has to cheat to win a natural show hasnt really won, has no integrity,no character and pretty much admits that they cant compete with the juicebags above them so they cheat with the natty guys.LOL :rofl:
Natural Bodybuilding = Using hormonals, but only months before competitions, so when they compete they're "clean"
This definitely happens, and often. Some organizations do a better job of keeping these guys out than others. Some don't seem to care at all.LOL :rofl:
Natural Bodybuilding = Using hormonals, but only months before competitions, so when they compete they're "clean"
Yah it's low and it pisses me off cuz I have had to compete against them and will in the future. I went to the Fame world naturals and the Grand Masters division had two enourmous steroid users and one that was suspect. I was a little miffed and then I saw the open winner, it was absolutely ridiculous. It's kind of disconcerting that I would never be able to beat some of these guys. All you can do is your best. Yah these guys have problems .. no doubt. I don't have to buy into it.its pathetic....if u have to cheat to win a NATURAL show....your a fckn loser with no character and no integrity...and if you cheat and dont win.....your even more fckn pathetic.
Cheating to win a natural show = fckn loser!
I dont understand how you know these guys were not natural. Obviously they passed the test for a natural show. I know that they did not tell you that they were using and I dont think there is anyway to tell by looking. Some guys just have great genetics. You can't nock them because they are big and ripped. Thats the goal of this sport. If they failed the test or someone knew for sure that they were using then yes I agree that they are losers but don't judge them because they look great.Yah it's low and it pisses me off cuz I have had to compete against them and will in the future. I went to the Fame world naturals and the Grand Masters division had two enourmous steroid users and one that was suspect. I was a little miffed and then I saw the open winner, it was absolutely ridiculous. It's kind of disconcerting that I would never be able to beat some of these guys. All you can do is your best. Yah these guys have problems .. no doubt. I don't have to buy into it.
Oh your wrong about that, anybody with years of experience in the sport can tell. Yes there are the borderline cases where, it could be good genetics. That's why visual screening won't work either. Some are just obvious though. Oh and the testing is not extensive in many shows, we are all aware of the problem. Like I said I don't too caught up in it. The way I look at it is, if you come in looking your best your a winner.I dont understand how you know these guys were not natural. Obviously they passed the test for a natural show. I know that they did not tell you that they were using and I dont think there is anyway to tell by looking. Some guys just have great genetics. You can't nock them because they are big and ripped. Thats the goal of this sport. If they failed the test or someone knew for sure that they were using then yes I agree that they are losers but don't judge them because they look great.
ive spent enough time in the gym...and used enough supplements and gear.....I KNOW, YES i KNOW 100% when a guy is on SOMETHING! I might not guess exactly what it is...but if you know the gym game... you can tell when someones "ON" OR HAS BEEN ON SOMETHING.I dont understand how you know these guys were not natural. Obviously they passed the test for a natural show. I know that they did not tell you that they were using and I dont think there is anyway to tell by looking. Some guys just have great genetics. You can't nock them because they are big and ripped. Thats the goal of this sport. If they failed the test or someone knew for sure that they were using then yes I agree that they are losers but don't judge them because they look great.
if you've taken hdrol/mdrol/etc. you cannot consider yourself natural IMO. even if it's OTC.sooo what classifies natural? NPC rule is anything that can NOT be bought legally by the public makes you not. So PHs are ok but SERMs will ruin it for you.
Others say any type of PH is not natural.
hmmmm....any thoughts? Anyone know any of the other orginizations rules on it?
Most organizations have a 5 year waiting period..What if some one experiments with steroids or prohormones but then gets off and decides they want to train natural for now on. Should they never consider themselves natural or compete natural because of their past mistakes?
here's my view:sooo what classifies natural?
how about OTC bodybuilding. As far as aminos...are you talking from food sources? Slippery Slope....lolhere's my view:
if it was created in a lab, it ain't natural. if you can't get it from food, it ain't natural. if it was 'made from' something natural, it isn't natural. LOL
natural is natural is natural.
Examples of natural: amino acids, dietary nootropics, herbs
what does OTC bb'ing refer to?how about OTC bodybuilding.
I'm talking about from a food source or from a supplement.As far as aminos...are you talking from food sources? Slippery Slope....lol
Is it something with the veins, or ballonishness of the muscle? Can you say what you look for?Oh your wrong about that, anybody with years of experience in the sport can tell. Yes there are the borderline cases where, it could be good genetics. That's why visual screening won't work either. Some are just obvious though. Oh and the testing is not extensive in many shows, we are all aware of the problem. Like I said I don't too caught up in it. The way I look at it is, if you come in looking your best your a winner.
One thing about unnatural muscle is it sort of looks like plate metal (sometimes). Not to say naturals can't get very hard but you often see a different type of hardness in non-naturals. It's hard to explain but you know it when you see it. My eye is ok but many have better.Is it something with the veins, or ballonishness of the muscle? Can you say what you look for?
While it might not be the best explanation for someone who doesn't know what your talking about, I think I get it.One thing about unnatural muscle is it sort of looks like plate metal (sometimes). Not to say naturals can't get very hard but you often see a different type of hardness in non-naturals. It's hard to explain but you know it when you see it. My eye is ok but many have better.
Agreed!here's my view:
if it was created in a lab, it ain't natural. if you can't get it from food, it ain't natural. if it was 'made from' something natural, it isn't natural. LOL
natural is natural is natural.
Examples of natural: amino acids, dietary nootropics, herbs