[poopypants]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

Greetings all. Interesting discussion going on here. I agree with what you've said here reaper. I believe that aspire36 works along a similar pathway of PDE5 inhibition. As a result, the vasodilation effects would act systemically which would explain the side effects reported by users. To what degree, i have no idea.

People probably develop headaches due to the rapid vasodilation of the cerebral vasculature that in effect presses on nearby nerve endings causing pain. If it's significant enough for any length of time, it could easily simulate a type of migraine-like headache for some. The systemic vasodilation pathway would also explain the congestion. The vasodilation in the nasal mucousa causes nasal congestion.

what about the pain in my legs that I was/kinda am still, feeling?

I almost think it might have been extreme vasodialation in that region as well... but it lasted much longer then my headaches did, I wonder if I almost injured them by over expanding them???
either way i finally just discontinued ALL supplementation cept Cissus and fishoils. I dropped Cit. malate, AEE, BA, SDNG all and since Ive felt it subside considerably... almost no pain at all today. I wonder If these other supps were keeping a constant lower amount of dialation on my already stressed veins and arteries in my uper thigh and hip region?

opinions?

[ReaperX]

You don't have a bruise do you or some type of discoloration ? It might possibly be a set of broken blood vessels.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by poopypants

what about the pain in my legs that I was/kinda am still, feeling?

I almost think it might have been extreme vasodialation in that region as well... but it lasted much longer then my headaches did, I wonder if I almost injured them by over expanding them???
either way i finally just discontinued ALL supplementation cept Cissus and fishoils. I dropped Cit. malate, AEE, BA, SDNG all and since Ive felt it subside considerably... almost no pain at all today. I wonder If these other supps were keeping a constant lower amount of dialation on my already stressed veins and arteries in my uper thigh and hip region?

opinions?

How severe is the pain poops? Is it a dull ache pain? Honestly buddy, it very well could be attributed to excessive systemic vasodilation that's causing your pain. How long ago did you d/c supplementation? I'd take it easy over the next few days and gauge any improvement at that point. It's tough to say, but excessive stimulus(constriction) or dilation of vascualture would be my best guess as to the cause of the pain. If it doen't resolve in a day of two i'd follow up with your pmd. Let me know what happens buddy.

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

How severe is the pain poops? Is it a dull ache pain? Honestly buddy, it very well could be attributed to excessive systemic vasodilation that's causing your pain. How long ago did you d/c supplementation? I'd take it easy over the next few days and gauge any improvement at that point. It's tough to say, but excessive stimulus(constriction) or dilation of vascualture would be my best guess as to the cause of the pain. If it doen't resolve in a day of two i'd follow up with your pmd. Let me know what happens buddy.

well yesterday was the first day i discontinued everything, it was a lil better but i still HAD to take somehting for the pain.... it really wasnt so dull, more a constant moderate ache, wasnt specific to muscle contraction or not too so i know it wasnt DOMS and didnt even feel like it. today was the second day, I havnt had but small periods of time where it was a very small dull pain but for the most part its been ok.... hopefully it contiinues this way and tomorrow will just be gone. Ill keep off everything likely for the rest of this week but we'll see how good I feel, might start back sooner given I will most likely get my Xfactor this week and already have the new Mass FX sittin in front of me... we'll see though.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by poopypants

well yesterday was the first day i discontinued everything, it was a lil better but i still HAD to take somehting for the pain.... it really wasnt so dull, more a constant moderate ache, wasnt specific to muscle contraction or not too so i know it wasnt DOMS and didnt even feel like it. today was the second day, I havnt had but small periods of time where it was a very small dull pain but for the most part its been ok.... hopefully it contiinues this way and tomorrow will just be gone. Ill keep off everything likely for the rest of this week but we'll see how good I feel, might start back sooner given I will most likely get my Xfactor this week and already have the new Mass FX sittin in front of me... we'll see though.

I'm glad to see it's a little better today poops. I think we've likely found the source of the problem . Update us tomorrow. Can't wait to see your x-factor/Mass FX log!!

[ReaperX]

Anyone want to make a guess on how effective Orastan-A @ 150mg/ED at stopping catabolism and preserving muscle ?

I seem to be very,very prone to losing muscle on a cut.

My friend is doing something similar with Furazadrol and is not having much success with it. I can only note what I see and what he tells me, so that is open to speculation.

[ReaperX]

I ordered some PlasmaJet, and it should be here by Sat. I'll be out of town till Sunday, so I probably will try it when I get back. We'll see how it goes. I decided to give that a whirl, since it mainly is a pump agent, and not a muscle building anabolic per se. Hopefully the alleged '2 years' in development dosen't wind up being a total waste. So far reviews have sucked for this product.

Bruce Kneller's menage was pretty interesting in the product write up. Must have been a subtle marketing angle they were playing.

Stay Tuned.

[celc5]

Originally Posted by ReaperX

So far reviews have sucked for this product.

Your posts thoroughly entertian me Why in the world would you buy something if the reviews have sucked?

Do some searches for Furazadrol logs concerning the Orastan A. You'll probably have to venture to other boards where this is a more popular compound as I rarely see reliable feedback on this product on AM. It gets expensive to run it high enough and long enough to get results.

[ReaperX]

Originally Posted by celc5

Your posts thoroughly entertian me Why in the world would you buy something if the reviews have sucked?

Do some searches for Furazadrol logs concerning the Orastan A. You'll probably have to venture to other boards where this is a more popular compound as I rarely see reliable feedback on this product on AM. It gets expensive to run it high enough and long enough to get results.

Yeah I know what you mean, and I don't have anything to rebuke that statement. I've been anxious to try it out based on the research that have been done on the product. The majority of PlasmaJet's write up has been accurate for the most part, and I just couldn't help myself but buy it. For the lower price, I was enticed in, but not at the GNC price.


I've heard multiple things about Orastan-A (Furazadrol). Some claims like Furazadrol is 2x strong as Zol, and effective dosing is around 200mg-300mg.

I'm probably going to try and do a 50mg,50mg,50mg throughout the day evenly spaced. I just need something that will tip me in a more anabolic state and be able to keep me there sufficiently.

[ImJ2x]

OK, considering the products I have on hand, here's what I'm contemplating:
5 bottles of Syntrax Hyper-H, w/90 caps @ 200mg ArA each (Sorry MN, I had no clue about the lawsuit when I bought it for $10/bottle on clearance.)
5 bottles of 1,4-Andro, also w/90 caps @ 200mg 1,4-AD each
This makes the cycle pretty simple: 6 caps each per day = 1200mg ArA + 1200mg 1,4-AD per day, for 75 days. I'll have to research 1,4-Andro a little more to determine a proper post cycle therapy.
I'd love to hear some opinions (particularly from you, Reaper) regarding the "symmetry" and effectiveness of this stack. If I could get 10+ lbs of quality LBM from this stack, I'd be thrilled.

[ReaperX]

Originally Posted by ImJ2x

OK, considering the products I have on hand, here's what I'm contemplating:
5 bottles of Syntrax Hyper-H, w/90 caps @ 200mg ArA each (Sorry MN, I had no clue about the lawsuit when I bought it for $10/bottle on clearance.)
5 bottles of 1,4-Andro, also w/90 caps @ 200mg 1,4-AD each
This makes the cycle pretty simple: 6 caps each per day = 1200mg ArA + 1200mg 1,4-AD per day, for 75 days. I'll have to research 1,4-Andro a little more to determine a proper post cycle therapy.
I'd love to hear some opinions (particularly from you, Reaper) regarding the "symmetry" and effectiveness of this stack. If I could get 10+ lbs of quality LBM from this stack, I'd be thrilled.

ImJ2x-

Your stack looks pretty good. Poopypants mentioned something about ArA possibly increasing AR activity. This is also seems to be the case for 1,4-AD is that it can also stimulate androgen receptor activity as well. The fact that 1,4-AD is one of the 'true' prohormones still out there means that it's gotta be activated within the body (I think it is by the 17HSD), but i'm not 100% sure. Boldenone lacks progesterone receptor interaction and all the associated progestinic side effects. I've also heard conversion rates being thrown around, 10% seems to be on the higher end, although it is possible that it is much less than that. 120mg of the 1,200mg will be active. If this were a -diol instead of a -dione it would be a much better compound.

Did you buy this bulk from nutraplanet when they had the sale, or did you stock up on iForce's Bold 200 ?


I honestly don't think you'll get anything for atleast 30-31 days that you start ArA+1,4-AD because of 'build up' time....literally for both supplements.


There's 2 different options you can do:

1. Take the ArA/1,4-AD @1,200mg and chill out for awhile. After around 30ish days, start an oral (Superdrol) low dose to finish off the latter portion of the cycle. This would allow Superdrol to take advantage of the increased androgen receptors that ArA/1,4-AD should allow.

2. Take the ArA/1,4-AD @ 1,200mg and kickstart with an oral for the first 30 days during the loading period.


.....personally I think #1 would be a better idea and would lead to better gains.




Running ArA+1,4-AD only would be a toss up, IMO. 10lbs of LBM would be pushing it. Seems like 1,4-AD has not been getting very positive results.

[ReaperX]

Well, tried PlasmaJet last night. Got a warm feeling after 40 minutes of taking it. Probably was the red wine extract. Nothing too special to note from the product as of yet.

Since this stuff only needs to be taken every other day at the most, or whatever, it is peace of mind to know my viens are surging with nitric oxide for another 24 more hours. lol.