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An entertaining disaster
By Dan Wetzel

Many long-time mixed martial arts fans think Saturday’s Kimbo Slice fight on CBS was fixed because, well, it looked exactly like what they think a fixed fight would look like.

Personally, I don’t think it was rigged, if only because it worked. Kimbo, the obvious beneficiary since the entire promotion hinges on his success, won. For Elite XC to purposely deliver this desirable result would display a level of competency not seen in any other part of its amateur hour production.

But that’s just me. In the days after the first ever network televised card, everyone seems to have an opinion.

It generally splits into two groups.

Moderate to hardcore fans saw it as an abomination of their sport; CBS and Elite XC combining to produce a circus act headlined by an overhyped Kimbo that set the perception of MMA back a decade.
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New and casual fans saw it as great entertainment, especially considering it was on late Saturday night where the expectations of programming aren’t real high, although some viewers undoubtedly were.

Both sides are correct; it’s simply a matter of perspective.

If you’re a fan of MMA, then what Elite XC trotted out as a main event was mostly an absurd exhibition. It’s like tuning in for the NBA Finals and finding the And 1 Mixtape Tour – only with announcers pretending Hot Sauce is a better player than Kobe Bryant.

This was entirely predictable. Any promotion that was going to use Kimbo Slice as its main event clearly cared nothing about the quality or growth of the sport. It was just grabbing cheap viewers. If that meant sending a mostly unskilled street fighting sensation against a guy who was such a tomato can he should have dressed in red, then so be it.

Of course, the tomato can, James “Colossus” Thompson, almost won. At least, until the fight got stopped, Kimbo was declared the winner and MMA message boards almost collapsed in fury.

But if you didn’t know, or care, then you didn’t know or care. This was better than reruns of “Walker, Texas Ranger.”

What the main event lacked in quality it made up for in entertainment, unintentional or not. Here are my four favorite absurdly hysterical moments of the Kimbo-Colossus fight.

4. When the fight was called, Colossus, the loser, tried to fight the ref for unfairly ending it. Kimbo, the winner, collapsed in exhaustion as many in the once pro-Kimbo crowd in Newark, N.J., turned on their guy. Not exactly a victory lap.

3. The CBS announcing crew’s endless hyperbole reaching its pinnacle when one of them compared Kimbo to Tiger Woods.

This would be applicable if Tiger had gained fame hitting trick shots in putt putt and then was invited to a second rate club championship which CBS was conned into televising. He then shot a final round 124, after which he was declared the winner anyway.

2. The judges. Kimbo spent most of the second round getting his skull hit and thanking the heavens that Colossus could only manage weak punches and elbows. Anyone else and this ends ugly. Even with Colossus, the fight could have been called (ha) in this undeniably terrible round for Kimbo.

Naturally, one of the “impartial judges” scored the round in his favor anyway. If this had gone to decision, is there any doubt at least one of the judges would have scored the three-round fight for Kimbo, five rounds to zero?

1. The Ear. What, you’ve seen an ear like that before? When everyone predicted this would be a freak show, no one thought the Colossus would take it to heart. His cauliflower ear was massive, this huge ball of blood and puss hanging off his head.

Ah, didn’t anyone think to mention he might want to drain that thing before Kimbo whacks him upside the head and makes it explode? Which, of course, happened.

Pre-fight, as the cameras zoomed in on that monstrosity everyone watching was horrified, fascinated or laughing uncontrollably. It was something out of a summer comedy; I kept expecting Verne Troyer to appear in the scene. CBS’s Gus Johnson declared it an “alien life form.”

This was the stuff that pained longtime fans. For the average person just looking for something to watch, though, this train wreck was wildly entertaining. At the very least, it was memorable. Not everyone is concerned about the integrity of cage fighting.

It’s worth repeating that Kimbo Slice isn’t the problem. He may have a long way to go to be even a good MMA fighter, but he is an easy-to-root-for American original. He shouldn’t apologize for suddenly having a chance to make a bunch of money.

If out of the blue the New York Yankees called and said you could have Alex Rodriguez’s third base position (and contract), you’d take it. Then you’d spend every waking minute at the batting cage and taking grounders, all while walking around scared senseless that this was going to end badly (except for your bank account) when they realized you aren’t a major league ball player.

That’s what Kimbo looked like in the run up to this one. He’s training as hard as he can, but he has to know the truth. Fedor Emelianenko, the best heavyweight in the world, would toy with him. Every heavyweight and light heavyweight in the UFC would beat him handily. Even some middleweights, such as Anderson Silva, despite giving up 50-plus pounds, would take him. It’s just a matter of MMA being a lot more than a street brawl. He’s on their turf now.

Colossus has now lost seven of his last nine fights and he wasn’t enough of a stiff to assure Kimbo victory. Kimbo is fun, but reality is reality.

Still, it wasn’t Kimbo saying he was Tiger Woods. It wasn’t Kimbo who showed up with a racquetball in his ear, or hired the dancing girls or choreographed the WWE introductions.

As frustrating as this was for many who love the sport, I don’t buy the argument that the card was a big negative for MMA. Yes its credibility was hurt with old media and some skeptics, but many potential fans were exposed to it for the first time.

Some of them will stick around and discover the upper reaches of the sport. If Sunday’s WEC card highlighted by the Jens Pulver-Urijah Faber epic had been on CBS, then the sport would have shot into the stratosphere overnight. The same is true for any UFC production or, most likely, next month’s promising Affliction event.

If new fans watch those, soon they too will realize what first introduced them to the sport was mostly just an entertaining joke.

Now, if only CBS could realize it. Not since someone decided to make a television show about the Geico Cavemen has a network been sold such a bill of goods.

CBS tried to claim it was wary of MMA because of its old perception as “human cockfighting.” That hasn’t been a reality in over a decade, though. Naturally, they contracted an organization that played on that very stereotype and, in turn, furthered it.

If CBS would dump Elite XC but stick with MMA – finding a more suitable promotion to televise – they’d find the good overnight ratings it produced could build into a juggernaut over time.

Not by providing minor league fights long on unintentional comedy that insult hardcore fans, but by trusting the sport on its own merits.

If we could get that fixed, there’d be no complaints.
 
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I thought it was ridiclious myself. Kimbo took over a minute of unanswered ground and pound to the face, hardly protecting himself at all, and then he happens to catch thompson, not even knock him down, and the fight gets called?

But I guess when you hype him up that much you have to give him a win :wtf:
 
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kimbo was terrible on the ground. He kept his guard open, and at any time Thomson could have past it to full mount. Just boggles my mind that Bas didnt pound this in his head from day 1, and that Thomson didnt try to exploit this more..
 
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the bottom line is that Kimbo is terrible, and it showed. It was bad for Elite XC and bad for MMA in general. HE is a subpar c-level fighter, not a main eventer. This was the introduction to many casual fans to MMA, and that will be hard for the sport to fight back from.
 
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The only thing Kimbo did that impressed me was the Bas neck crank, I'd never seen it done like that, and it looked like it really hurt badly!
 
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I honestly thought the best fight was the one with Crush from gladiators, but even that was disappointing because she admitted to only training for three weeks. MMA is a serious sport and CBS really did make a circus out of it.
 
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I honestly thought the best fight was the one with Crush from gladiators, but even that was disappointing because she admitted to only training for three weeks. MMA is a serious sport and CBS really did make a circus out of it.
Yea I dont care though she's bangin' :D
 
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The best fight was the Smith/Lawler fight, but the ending was so anticlimactic.
 
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I honestly thought the best fight was the one with Crush from gladiators, but even that was disappointing because she admitted to only training for three weeks. MMA is a serious sport and CBS really did make a circus out of it.
That pretty much wraps up the gist of it.
 
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circus is the best word to describe it
 
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I think Kimbo's next fight should be against Anderson Silva. That way everyone can see how bad he truly is when he gets knocked out by a guy thats 50+ pounds lighter than he is.
 
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They should throw him and Brock Lesner in the ring. LOL
 
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They should throw him and Brock Lesner in the ring. LOL
I wouldn't put Lesnar and Kimbo in the same category. Lesnar has a legit, Division I collegiate, championship wrestling background. Wrestlers fair pretty well in the UFC, Couture, Hughes, GSP, old school Tito before Chuck beat the permanent fear into him. Lesnar has potential to grow into a true heavy weight contender. Lesnar's current abilities are already head and shoulders above Kimbo.
 
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I wouldn't put Lesnar and Kimbo in the same category. Lesnar has a legit, Division I collegiate, championship wrestling background. Wrestlers fair pretty well in the UFC, Couture, Hughes, GSP, old school Tito before Chuck beat the permanent fear into him. Lesnar has potential to grow into a true heavy weight contender. Lesnar's current abilities are already head and shoulders above Kimbo.
Ya your right there. Has he fought since the Frank Mier fight? I've been kinda behind latley... I think if he would of paced himself during that fight he might have faired pretty well.
 
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No, Lesnar is fighting Heath Herring in early fall.

Kimbo as #1 HW striker is a joke. He's not even top 20, and his power is nothing special or at least fades quickly in a fight.
 
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The only time I ever want to see Gary Shaw again is if he's eating his little ***** of a son.
 
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Ya your right there. Has he fought since the Frank Mier fight? I've been kinda behind latley... I think if he would of paced himself during that fight he might have faired pretty well.
I agree he should have paced himself a bit in that fight, but I don't think Lesnar had any MMA "real" fight ground awareness. Against a versed BJJ guy, he was like a rabbit running through a field of unsuspecting traps & snares, he could place a body part in a arm/leg bar danger zone at anytime, which he did. But not to take away from Mir, he had to take advantage of the window of opportunity.

Lesnar probably got the jitters because Undertaker was in the audience :stick:
 
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No, Lesnar is fighting Heath Herring in early fall.

Kimbo as #1 HW striker is a joke. He's not even top 20, and his power is nothing special or at least fades quickly in a fight.
I put Kimbo in the top 10 heavy weight strikers for the first 20-30 seconds of a fight. Then he slides a spot down every 10 seconds, until Don King aka EliteXC promoter scratches his eyelid and winks three times, and the ref stops the fight.

His power fades in multitudes if he's being engaged in any clinch or take down situations. I always knew that taking Kimbo to the ground would be his krypotonite, but I didn't think it'd nullify him to that degree. Which is also why I think a Lesnar/Kimbo fight would be a molestation.
 
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I consider myself to be a casual MMA fan. I watch the fights on tv, don't generally see the Pay Per Views, and don't follow the careers of the fighters. However, I am enough of a fight fan to be able to recognize talent/ability, and recognize a one-trick-pony when I see one.

From the outset I did not like the idea of Kimbo Slice fighting in anything other than a streetfight video or Toughman competition. Yes, the man has a tremendous punch, and I would shoot him before allowing him the chance to swing at me, but a good punch does not make a great boxer, and it especially doesn't make a good MMA fighter.

I watched Kimbo's internet videos, including the one where a sub par MMA fighter destroyed him. So it did not surprise me to see Kimbo fight one bum after another upon entering MMA competition. Kimbo's career is reminiscent of post prison Mike Tyson. Line up the heavy hitter that can draw a crowd against no named bums, make money, and everyone is happy.

Kimbo is a brand, and he will make a lot of money (as well as make many people a lot of money). Hopefully he will get out of the game before he does too much damage to it. Eventually he is going to have to fight someone who is not a bum or 10 years past his prime, and when that day comes either he will be exposed as an overhyped money making machine, or he will win via a bad stoppage or bad decision.

I sincerely hope that MMA does not go the way of professional boxing.
 
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Kimbo is scheduled to fight Mike Tyson. Honestly, that's what I've heard. Obviously not a professional boxing much, but still.

Entertaining freak match, however.
 
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Kimbo is scheduled to fight Mike Tyson. Honestly, that's what I've heard. Obviously not a professional boxing much, but still.

Entertaining freak match, however.
Have you seen any recent pics of Tyson? He's fat as fvck.
 
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Have you seen any recent pics of Tyson? He's fat as fvck.
Rumor has it he's bordering 300lbs, but no, I have not seen any pics myself. "Allegedly" he's started training. But this is all hearsay. I haven't encountered any of this information first hand, but I'm pretty sure the fight is truly scheduled.
 
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Rumor has it he's bordering 300lbs, but no, I have not seen any pics myself. "Allegedly" he's started training. But this is all hearsay. I haven't encountered any of this information first hand, but I'm pretty sure the fight is truly scheduled.
Its not scheduled, but its a somewhat serious rumor.
 
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Its not scheduled, but its a somewhat serious rumor.
Now you're making me question my 4th party gossip sources. You and Rodja seem to know everything thats going on in the MMA world so I'll take your word for it.

I'm surprised Alex hasn't chimed in. He's usually not far behind Jas and vice versa.
 
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Now you're making me question my 4th party gossip sources. You and Rodja seem to know everything thats going on in the MMA world so I'll take your word for it.

I'm surprised Alex hasn't chimed in. He's usually not far behind Jas and vice versa.
We have both mastered the fine art of being an MMA nerd.
 
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So Kimbo is the number one striker?

I would love to see Kimbo vs. Cro Cop.
 
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So Kimbo is the number one striker?

I would love to see Kimbo vs. Cro Cop.
Is that a serious question? Seriously, I'm not sure.

CC even in his present day state would make Kimbo retarded, or moreso.
 
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Is that a serious question? Seriously, I'm not sure.

CC even in his present day state would make Kimbo retarded, or moreso.
Kimbo is one of the many fighters I would love to see fed to Alex E. Along with Mir, Roy Nelson, and Brandon Vera, and Tim Sylvia. I would say feed em to Fedor, but Alex tends to bring more of that nasty pain. Plus he's scarier. He's like that Gandor or whatever the fvck it was called that Jaba the Hut would feed people to.
 
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Kimbo is one of the many fighters I would love to see fed to Alex E. Along with Mir, Roy Nelson, and Brandon Vera, and Tim Sylvia. I would say feed em to Fedor, but Alex tends to bring more of that nasty pain. Plus he's scarier. He's like that Gandor or whatever the fvck it was called that Jaba the Hut would feed people to.
I'd visit the local Indian Casino to watch a Kimbo/Alex fight.
 
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Kimbo is one of the many fighters I would love to see fed to Alex E. Along with Mir, Roy Nelson, and Brandon Vera, and Tim Sylvia. I would say feed em to Fedor, but Alex tends to bring more of that nasty pain. Plus he's scarier. He's like that Gandor or whatever the fvck it was called that Jaba the Hut would feed people to.
I'd love to see Aleks beat the piss out of all those guys, especially those guys. I know you would probably give your left nut to see him punish Roy Nelson.

I was wrong on Kimbo's power, I gave him an 8 if Tua was a 9, more like a 7 that quickly diminishes down to a 5. I wonder what Bas thinks of that performance. Makes me wonder about Bas' judgement or his current situation with Kimbo. Did Kimbo really even train? He was far from being in fight shape.
 
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I'd love to see Aleks beat the piss out of all those guys, especially those guys. I know you would probably give your left nut to see him punish Roy Nelson.

I was wrong on Kimbo's power, I gave him an 8 if Tua was a 9, more like a 7 that quickly diminishes down to a 5. I wonder what Bas thinks of that performance. Makes me wonder about Bas' judgement or his current situation with Kimbo. Did Kimbo really even train? He was far from being in fight shape.
I finally watched it on YouTube. Kimbo was pathetic after 20-30 seconds. Kimbo made this one slow motion sweep that almost made the announcers nut their pants, but apart from that and a near attempt at a choke.

I think Kimbo is trying to think too much these days. It looks like he's trying to break his mold of being a street brawler, which he excels at, to being somewhat of an MMA fighter, which he is completely subpar at. Basically, the only way Kimbo can have a successful career is if EliteXC puts him up against people who just want to stand and Kimbo forgets everything Bas has taught him and reverts back to default street thug mode. If someone with strong wrestling or BJJ puts him on the ground, he's a turtle on his back. I don't see that changing. He needs fights where he doesn't have to think so much, about take downs, kicks, clinches. I believe the only way Kimbo can beat a true and skilled "MMA" fighter, is if he knocks him out within the first 60-90 seconds, otherwise, less of a Don King set up, I don't see Kimbo advancing any higher.
 
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I'd love to see Aleks beat the piss out of all those guys, especially those guys. I know you would probably give your left nut to see him punish Roy Nelson.

I was wrong on Kimbo's power, I gave him an 8 if Tua was a 9, more like a 7 that quickly diminishes down to a 5. I wonder what Bas thinks of that performance. Makes me wonder about Bas' judgement or his current situation with Kimbo. Did Kimbo really even train? He was far from being in fight shape.
My god I cant believe I spelled Aleks "Alex". :frustrate Ive seen a couple post fight videos with Bas and he basically says that he's happy Kimbo won but disappointed with many of the mistakes he made on the ground. He was particularly pissed about how Kimbo didnt lock up his guard when he had JT in that guillotine. Apparently him and Kimbo do a lot of conditioning since he speaks about it on Inside MMA all the time but it sure as hell didnt look like it on saturday.
 
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Kimbo is one of the many fighters I would love to see fed to Alex E. Along with Mir, Roy Nelson, and Brandon Vera, and Tim Sylvia. I would say feed em to Fedor, but Alex tends to bring more of that nasty pain. Plus he's scarier. He's like that Gandor or whatever the fvck it was called that Jaba the Hut would feed people to.
I dont know what it is but I have never been overly impressed with ALeks. He seems more hype to me than anything else. Out of that list I thikn Sylvia beats him, and he and VBera would be interesting. Aleks just seems to take certain fights off from time to time.
 
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I dont know what it is but I have never been overly impressed with ALeks. He seems more hype to me than anything else. Out of that list I thikn Sylvia beats him, and he and VBera would be interesting. Aleks just seems to take certain fights off from time to time.
Have you seen his fight against Barnett?
 
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Is that a serious question? Seriously, I'm not sure.

CC even in his present day state would make Kimbo retarded, or moreso.

Haha no way man Im kidding, in other words i would love to see CC handle Kimbo because he's such a "fantastic" striker.
The worst part of this whole situation are the kids at my highschool who think they know mma because they watched his fights and talk about how kimbo is going to be the next champ or whatever.
 
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Was I watching WWE, XFL, or MMA fights? What was up with the ridiculous dancing girls, Busta Rhymes, and "Big Black Security"? It made MMA look like a friggin' joke. The only real fighters were UFC castoffs. Actually Lawler is a top 10 MW imo. But the fact that Scott Smith is fighting for a belt when he was mediocure in the UFC.....at least they were entertaining.
I personally cannot rip on Kimbo though. I blame Gary Shaw and EliteXC for putting him in a no win situation. The dude has only been trianing a year and had 3 fights (if you want to consider Tank or Bo Cantrell "fights"). I don't expect him to be Fedor. He even says he's nowhere near the top yet, but Shaw keeps saying he's the greatest thing.
That being said it was a circus and push true MMA backwards by making a spectacle of it.
 
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I really don't enjoy the whole Kimbo and EliteXc thing that they have going on. The guy is a beast, yes, but he has no technique whatsoever...

He doesn't need to be a main event, he really shouldn't be getting all the hype he is. And truthly, anyone who knows the sport has that figured out by now, right?

What he could, and should, be doing right now is paying some guy the big bucks to teach him how the hell to grapple. A good BJJ sensei would do him wonders. He is tough standing and knows how to exchange punches, he needs to learn how to wrestle and fight on the ground. Imagine the possiblities if he learned how to ground and pound. He is an athlete, i gotta give him that at least, and if well trained in some other fields he could become great.

Right now he's a joke, but he has a great room for improvement. But hey, why would he even bother getting some training if he gets $$$$ of the hook even though he is just sub-par like this? Would you seek training?
 
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I really don't enjoy the whole Kimbo and EliteXc thing that they have going on. The guy is a beast, yes, but he has no technique whatsoever...

He doesn't need to be a main event, he really shouldn't be getting all the hype he is. And truthly, anyone who knows the sport has that figured out by now, right?

What he could, and should, be doing right now is paying some guy the big bucks to teach him how the hell to grapple. A good BJJ sensei would do him wonders. He is tough standing and knows how to exchange punches, he needs to learn how to wrestle and fight on the ground. Imagine the possiblities if he learned how to ground and pound. He is an athlete, i gotta give him that at least, and if well trained in some other fields he could become great.

Right now he's a joke, but he has a great room for improvement. But hey, why would he even bother getting some training if he gets $$$$ of the hook even though he is just sub-par like this? Would you seek training?
Well the thing with Kimbo is that Gary Shaw is talking Kimbo up like he's a top HW. Even Kimbo claims he is not. And actually he is training with Bas Rutten, who was a force to be reckoned with during his days as a fighter. I don't think he was known for his wrestling though so you are right, it is hard to say whether Bas is teaching him wrestling....I know he is teaching him grappling techniques and such though. So in fairness to Kimbo he is training with a highly respected guy, even if he surrounds himself with thugs at his press conferences.

All I know is that their next show better include some actually MMA and good grappling and JJ techniques instead of a sloppy kickboxing tournament.
 

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