UFC Fight Night 13 Discussion
04-02-2008 11:13 PM
UFC Fight Night 13 Discussion
Pretty good night of fights, but it didn't really live up to the expectations I had. Florian/Lauzon was good, but short. Maynard was pretty impressive. Whenever someone loses it's popular to say they should move down in weight, but Edgar looks small at 155. Maybe it was just that Maynard is really big for LW. Anthony Johnson looked impressive. Speer isn't a huge test, but AJ looked explosive and strong. The rest of the fights were decent, but nothing great.
Let me know if it was actually better than I thought. I'm doped up from having my wisdom teeth extracted and not really sure what's going on.
04-02-2008 11:52 PM
You're always dopes up. LEt's not BS. Yeah it was pretty good. I thought this started at 8 ET like everything else so I missed Houston and Diaz. 8 s KO? WTF my hometown boys have taken a pounding lately. JOhnson's a beast for sure. The altitude seemed to effect some guys. Lauzon looked great 1st round and tired the 2nd.
04-03-2008 12:10 AM
Watch it now, Ito. They're re-playing it starting 10 mins ago, I think.
04-03-2008 01:17 AM
I found it a fairly entertaining card. The main event was a let down as I wanted to see Lauzon take more punishment. Karo/Alves, Diaz/Pelligrino were entertaining fights for me at least. Irvin had a nice KO too. It was a solid card and for a free event it was pretty impressive. Johnson does look promising too, maybe feed him to Alves?
04-03-2008 01:35 AM
that was a sick triangle choke by diaz...that guy pulls submissions out of nowhere!
04-03-2008 01:46 AM
I thought that was pretty embarrassing for Pelligrino. He just seemed to let it happen.
Originally Posted by snookl187
04-03-2008 01:52 AM
Yeah, Alves/Karo was pretty good, I was glad to see Karo lose. Didn't surprise me that he complained about the stoppage. I guess Diaz has to be taken seriously. He's almost like mini-Nog, the guy is rarely in control but always dangerous. I was really hoping to see Alexander and Irvin slug it out for a bit, Alexanders chin is very questionable. I'd like to see Johnson fight Fitch, but that's not likely.
Originally Posted by Wanderlei
04-03-2008 02:13 AM
I thought Houston's chin was questionable after the Thiago fight, but now is clearly not so good. He got Gouleted out. Alves really found his range with his hands at the end of round 1 and start of 2. Even if the stoppage was early, he would have KOed Karo IMO. He was doing great stuffing Karo too.
Weren't all of those Florian elbows illegal at the beginning? It was that 12-6 motion to the top of the head right? Oh, well didn't effect anything. Lauzon looked pretty good in the first. He's got good thing coming to him IMO.
04-03-2008 02:19 AM
I don't know how those elbows could possibly be legal. They're spiking straight down, their was no arc. I honestly don't think their is a single person that truely understands the rules when it comes to elbows. I remember Rogan asking Couture and after some rambling Couture said he wasn't even sure. Lauzon needs to learn how to get the **** up. In several of his fights he gets in a bad position and can't get out. Positions where other fighters with his ability would find a way out.
04-03-2008 02:31 AM
Yeah, he should have at least given up his back and tried to scramble out the back door or something.
04-03-2008 10:31 AM
Overall a good night. Some questionable stoppages, but I agree with all of them. Karo's seemed to be perhaps the most questionable, but he did go limp, and it's better than having him get killed.
Joe/ Kenny: Kenny is damn good. Still like Lauzon, but I kind of knew the longer the fight went, the worse it was going to get for him.
Karo/Thiago: Although I probably would give the first round to Karo, it became apparent in the second half of the round that ALves was going to win the fight. His timing was too crisp.
Kurt/Nate: I hate the Diazs, but that was a damn good victory. Nate is the come back kid. Loved the showboating once the triangle was on.
Hamill/Botesch: HAmill's wrestling is so good that it makes his terrible striking somewhat effective. I'm not saying he won the majority of the exchanges, but his punching looks like a 2 year old learning to walk and yet he did land some shots.
Houston/Irving: Houston will never win again in the UFC as long as his opponents can avoid the clich. I almost want Jardine to fight him again to clear his record, but it's not worthy the effort.
Maynard/Edgar: This made me sad. I like Maynard enough, but Frankie looked like he could be a future contender. It may have just been a bad matchup, but if he couldn't get past Grey, imagine what Sherk would do to him. He is undersized for the division aswell.
ANd most importantly, Clay Guida won. I have to wait to see the undercard, so I haven't seen this fight yet.
04-03-2008 10:33 AM
They were the definition of 12 to 6 elbows. Which are illegal.
Originally Posted by jas123
04-03-2008 11:39 AM
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Card was solid, I would love to see Diaz v. Florian that could be interesting. Maynard looked very good, so much bigger than Edgar. I was happy to see Karo KTFO, maybe he will finally STFU
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04-03-2008 12:56 PM
Yeah, I always thought Maynard looked huge for 155 and it was really apparent against Edgar.
Alves' takedown defense looked pretty solid. If he could keep improving it, then I think he's the style of fighter that could take GSP out. He's big and has better standup than Georges.
BTW, how ridiculous was Rogan's use of the phrase "rape choke"?
04-03-2008 01:56 PM
I thought the Unified ruleset stated, "No downward point of the elbow strikes," but it may have been revised since then. Thst would seem to make the elbows illegal.
On the UFC website hte rules state the following:
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
Is it a downward strike if you are on your back? When Randy was commenting on the downward elbow was that in the Silva/Lutter fight? I think Kenny may have been warned due to rule 9. The elbows were okay except for the fact they were hitting the back of the head. Rogan even alluded to this saying he though it only meant the spine or the base of the head and not the crown. Of course he isn't exactly the most reliable source.
04-03-2008 02:14 PM
I wished I could chime in, but no one sent me an e-vite to watch it kinda messed up guys.
04-03-2008 03:11 PM
I think the downward elbow rule only applies on the feet, even though on the ground, the way Florian was using them, it was the same.
I'm thinking that the elbows that Florian was throwing should be illegal in that all they're being used for is cutting.
Loved the Diaz Fight (I'm a fan of both Diaz Boys).
04-03-2008 03:12 PM
Jas, I totally agree that Alves is the fighter that GSP has to worry about the most in the division (trying not to look past Serra). I'd have to give the edge to Georges still, but it could be a bad match up for him.
04-03-2008 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by VolcomX311
04-03-2008 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jas123
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