[awmcdon]

True, but I was more trying to show that if BJ can control the takedowns of such dominant wrestlers, than Joe Mommy (I'm stealing that, it's pretty funny) has no chance of taking him down, IMO.

I see your point and your completely correct. Joe Mommy has absolutely no chance of winning.

[Mulletsoldier]

I believe you are looking at this fight one sided. If all that you say is accurate BJ would have won, but he didn't. And I know you could argue that he could have won but he didn't. The takedowns secured GSP victory. You can argue that BJ was tired in the third round or it was "a mutual falling" whatever that is but that's all part of the game.
Why did the fight not go the other way, with GSP getting tired and then BJ taking him down. That never happened.

I never said BJ should have won. You are right, it could have gone either way, but it didn't because GSP was most likely awarded points for those takedowns in terms of both aggression and octagon control. Honestly, he probably won because of the final takedown with :55 left. That probably cemented the win.

He also had very nice punches and leg kicks throughout the fight, points for aggression there as well.

My point was that BJ controlled GSP's wrestling, because he did. That's really the only aspect I was mentioning.

[awmcdon]

I never said BJ should have won. You are right, it could have gone either way, but it didn't because GSP was most likely awarded points for those takedowns in terms of both aggression and octagon control. Honestly, he probably won because of the final takedown with :55 left. That probably cemented the win.

He also had very nice punches and leg kicks throughout the fight, points for aggression there as well.

My point was that BJ controlled GSP's wrestling, because he did. That's really the only aspect I was mentioning.

I completely agree with this. Penn did a great job of controlling GSP's wrestling and he will put a beating on Joe Momma's boy.

[CNorris]

I see your point and your completely correct. Joe Mommy has absolutely no chance of winning.

Neither did Matt Serra, Gonzaga, Forrest Griffin, Houston Alexander vs Jardine. Anyone that still says Joe has no chance isn't paying attention.

I will tell you how he has a great chance, use his very improved boxing, great wrestling and great JJ. All you have to do is make Penn gas himself out with a few submission attempts and he is done for.

[Mulletsoldier]

Neither did Matt Serra, Gonzaga, Forrest Griffin, Houston Alexander vs Jardine. Anyone that still says Joe has no chance isn't paying attention.

I will tell you how he has a great chance, use his very improved boxing, great wrestling and great JJ. All you have to do is make Penn gas himself out with a few submission attempts and he is done for.

True, but those were upsets for a reason. I think Joe has a chance, but if you break it down skill-for-skill, it isn't great. Anybody who would say Joe is a favourite isn't paying attention.

[AE14]

LOL. Top 2-3 in the world that can't win a fight, was dominated 3 of his last 5 fights and scored a win over a old Renzo and a 145 lb Jens.

You are delusional, just like the rest of the MMA world. When he loses to Joe Daddy, then what will you say ?

anything you would like to say after the sheer domination that was the fight?

[TheMouth]

anything you would like to say after the sheer domination that was the fight?

BJ will get smashed by Sherk.

[AE14]

BJ will get smashed by Sherk.

just like joe daddy did right?



I am just having alittle fun busting balls since you were so certain joe would win

[Cordeen]

Penn to win over Sherk is my call. Penn seems to be more more skilled but the one thing Sherk has over Penn in my opinion is endurance and heart....if he can make it go over 3 rounds I think he will do it. But I predict another submission by Penn

[TheMouth]

just like joe daddy did right?



I am just having alittle fun busting balls since you were so certain joe would win

That was a heart pick, not a head pick. I just hate BJ Penn =)

[pistonpump]

damn this started out as a full on attack on BJ....makes me think some people are just racist.

come on i cant believe you think joe stevenson was gonna put bj away! Look what happen. Just like what he did to Pulver, just toying with them really he could end it with subs so many times but just puts on a show for the fans to prove he is the top pound for pound. If that showing was not impressive i dont know what planet you haters are from.

Mark my words, BJ Penn is going to have that title for a long time kinda like how Silva is doing in his class. Sherk is going to get owned just the same lol...

[pistonpump]

BJ will get smashed by Sherk.

[Alexander]

damn this started out as a full on attack on BJ....makes me think some people are just racist.

come on i cant believe you think joe stevenson was gonna put bj away! Look what happen. Just like what he did to Pulver, just toying with them really he could end it with subs so many times but just puts on a show for the fans to prove he is the top pound for pound. If that showing was not impressive i dont know what planet you haters are from.

Mark my words, BJ Penn is going to have that title for a long time kinda like how Silva is doing in his class. Sherk is going to get owned just the same lol...

Are you serious, racist? People that call racism for know reason are usually the racists themselves or just stupidly paranoid. These guys don't like BJ because of his cockiness, which is understandable. I don't mind BJ, he has a right to be cocky, but doing stuff like kissing Hughes on the mouth 10 seconds after he choked him out is obnoxious. BJ is one of the best in the world, but he's not exactly humble. Racism, for what?

[Mulletsoldier]

Yeah, I think despising arrogance is a universal trait, PP. I don't think their unbridled hatred for BJ was racially-charged. A 'pretentious prick' is a 'pretentious prick' in any colour. Believe me, I know.

[Alexander]

That was a great performance by BJ, but do you think he could've gone 5 rounds if he had to? He seemed really gassed after the fight. I know it's hard to gauge with BJ when he's tired or not, but all that leaning on people and strange breathing. IDK, he says he's in amazing shape now, I'm not so sure. Opinions?

[Mulletsoldier]

I personally don't feel his conditioning is GSP-esque, but most definitely improved. I think the only way to tell is to see a long fight unfold. If Sherk can pressure the fight into deeper rounds, then BJ's conditioning or lack thereof will really present itself.

I know what you're saying about the strange breathing, but possibly an aggravation of that rib injury he incurred against Hughes? Maybe his musculature surrounding that area is weak and causes the fascia between his ribs to sever easily?

[Alexander]

Yeah, if Sherk lasts past round 3, BJ is ****ed IMO. I think he is in good shape, not great, but the way he fights he gasses himself. GSP is the same way, but he's just a freak of nature with his cardio and can afford to fight dynamically and not gas. That said, I think BJ will finish Sherk in 2 or 3, he's that good.

The breathing was weird, maybe you're right about the rib. I know I don't lean on people like that ever, unless it was a liter of Beam night.

[Mulletsoldier]

Yeah, it takes a 26 of Jag., and a run-in with the Police to breathe like that.

I think GSP is simply a freak of nature. That's the only way to explain why he's that lean, with that much explosiveness, and still keeps a ridiculous pace into the end of fights.

I agree though, I think BJ will finish in the second. Sherk won't try to hang with BJ in stand-up, and BJ has neutralized better wrestlers than Sherk in (presumably) worse condition.

[jas123]

That was a great performance by BJ, but do you think he could've gone 5 rounds if he had to? He seemed really gassed after the fight. I know it's hard to gauge with BJ when he's tired or not, but all that leaning on people and strange breathing. IDK, he says he's in amazing shape now, I'm not so sure. Opinions?

I noticed that too. He definitely looked winded or something, but who knows. I've seen Hunt looked winded for an entire fight, but he never slowed down.


BTW, Paul Taylor + some ground skills = Brit Thug Banger Only time will tell if that honor will be bestowed upon him.

[Alexander]

I noticed that too. He definitely looked winded or something, but who knows. I've seen Hunt looked winded for an entire fight, but he never slowed down.


BTW, Paul Taylor + some ground skills = Brit Thug Banger Only time will tell if that honor will be bestowed upon him.

OMG, I immediately thought of you when that first round with Taylor/Kelly erupted. Taylor's stand-up is ****in nasty. Kelly is one tough mofo, and clearly had better ground. Taylor just needs to work on TD defense and some escapes.

Hunt does gas similar to BJ, but it's less severe with Hunt. Hunt looks like he just needs to take a fat boy 5 minute sit down to recover. BJ looks like he might need to get hooked up to some oxygen and possibly an IV. Their is definitely something to it though, and somehow he isn't as tired as he appears.

[Mulletsoldier]

Maybe it's head games?

[Alexander]

Maybe it's head games?

If that's the case then **** MMA, he should go to hollywood.

BJ>DD Lewis + Deniro

[VolcomX311]

If that's the case then **** MMA, he should go to hollywood.

BJ>DD Lewis + Deniro

Go BJ, that was sick I'm glad they didn't stop the fight when Joe was cut, I didn't want to hear that BJ only won because of a DQ. Sherk and BJ is going to be a good fight, still rooting for BJ, but I'm definitely not as confident about his victory as I was with Joe Daddy. I would have been shocked if Joe won, but I definitely won't be "shocked" if Sherk does.

[tattoopierced1]

Sherk v. Penn is going to be awesome. No matter who wins, it will surely be a great fight.

[Rodja]

Go BJ, that was sick I'm glad they didn't stop the fight when Joe was cut, I didn't want to hear that BJ only won because of a DQ. Sherk and BJ is going to be a good fight, still rooting for BJ, but I'm definitely not as confident about his victory as I was with Joe Daddy. I would have been shocked if Joe won, but I definitely won't be "shocked" if Sherk does.

It would have been a TKO victory by cut, not a DQ.