Sherk v. Winner of Penn/Stevenson
- 01-12-2008, 05:18 PM
- 01-12-2008, 11:19 PM
I'd really like to see Stevenson beat Penn, but I'd also like to see Sherk get ahold of him after all the junk BJ said.
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- 01-13-2008, 04:37 AM
- 01-13-2008, 10:51 AM
- 01-13-2008, 11:16 AM
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- 01-13-2008, 11:18 AM
I remember Penn stuffing GSP through the first 2 rounds, and then a tired Penn being taken down a few times in the 3rd, no?
- 01-13-2008, 11:30 AM
Yeah, I just rewatched this and reiterate my statement. GSP had no TDs in the first, with one legitimate TD in the second with pure muscle, and one TD I suppose you could award him. The other one was more a mutual falling. He then had two in the third, one slam, and a final TD with :55 left.
For the rest of the fight, BJ controlled the pace and definitely controlled GSP's wrestling. Though GSP was smart and continually went for single leg takedowns from the clinch and elsewhere as BJ would leave them dangling.
BJ did necessarily outwrestle GSP because it wasn't a wrestling match, but GSP only scored one nice TD the entire fight, and two (or arguably three) lackluster TDs. I would most definitely say BJ stuffed GSP. - 01-13-2008, 11:37 AM
Yeah that's right.
But he had 3 or 4 in the last two rounds. My point was that yes Penn may have stuffed him a couple times in the first round but overall he wasn't kept from taking BJ down.
Josh K. stuffed him a couple times, that's just the way it goes. Your not going to secure a take down every time you try. - 01-13-2008, 11:41 AM
True, but I was more trying to show that if BJ can control the takedowns of such dominant wrestlers, than Joe Mommy (I'm stealing that, it's pretty funny) has no chance of taking him down, IMO.
- 01-13-2008, 11:42 AM
I believe you are looking at this fight one sided. If all that you say is accurate BJ would have won, but he didn't. And I know you could argue that he could have won but he didn't. The takedowns secured GSP victory. You can argue that BJ was tired in the third round or it was "a mutual falling" whatever that is but that's all part of the game.
Why did the fight not go the other way, with GSP getting tired and then BJ taking him down. That never happened. - 01-13-2008, 11:44 AM
- 01-13-2008, 11:45 AM
I never said BJ should have won. You are right, it could have gone either way, but it didn't because GSP was most likely awarded points for those takedowns in terms of both aggression and octagon control. Honestly, he probably won because of the final takedown with :55 left. That probably cemented the win.
He also had very nice punches and leg kicks throughout the fight, points for aggression there as well.
My point was that BJ controlled GSP's wrestling, because he did. That's really the only aspect I was mentioning. - 01-13-2008, 11:49 AM
- 01-13-2008, 01:35 PM
Neither did Matt Serra, Gonzaga, Forrest Griffin, Houston Alexander vs Jardine. Anyone that still says Joe has no chance isn't paying attention.
I will tell you how he has a great chance, use his very improved boxing, great wrestling and great JJ. All you have to do is make Penn gas himself out with a few submission attempts and he is done for. - 01-13-2008, 02:51 PM
- 01-19-2008, 10:07 PM
- 01-19-2008, 10:56 PM
- 01-20-2008, 07:42 AM
- 01-20-2008, 10:24 AM
Penn to win over Sherk is my call. Penn seems to be more more skilled but the one thing Sherk has over Penn in my opinion is endurance and heart....if he can make it go over 3 rounds I think he will do it. But I predict another submission by Penn
- 01-20-2008, 10:47 AM
- 01-20-2008, 11:37 AM
damn this started out as a full on attack on BJ....makes me think some people are just racist.
come on i cant believe you think joe stevenson was gonna put bj away! Look what happen. Just like what he did to Pulver, just toying with them really he could end it with subs so many times but just puts on a show for the fans to prove he is the top pound for pound. If that showing was not impressive i dont know what planet you haters are from.
Mark my words, BJ Penn is going to have that title for a long time kinda like how Silva is doing in his class. Sherk is going to get owned just the same lol... - 01-20-2008, 11:38 AM
- 01-20-2008, 01:36 PM
Are you serious, racist? People that call racism for know reason are usually the racists themselves or just stupidly paranoid. These guys don't like BJ because of his cockiness, which is understandable. I don't mind BJ, he has a right to be cocky, but doing stuff like kissing Hughes on the mouth 10 seconds after he choked him out is obnoxious. BJ is one of the best in the world, but he's not exactly humble. Racism, for what?
- 01-20-2008, 02:34 PM
Yeah, I think despising arrogance is a universal trait, PP. I don't think their unbridled hatred for BJ was racially-charged. A 'pretentious prick' is a 'pretentious prick' in any colour. Believe me, I know.
- 01-20-2008, 02:47 PM
That was a great performance by BJ, but do you think he could've gone 5 rounds if he had to? He seemed really gassed after the fight. I know it's hard to gauge with BJ when he's tired or not, but all that leaning on people and strange breathing. IDK, he says he's in amazing shape now, I'm not so sure. Opinions?
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