Pride fighters in the UFC
- 12-30-2007, 09:24 PM
Pride fighters in the UFC
Since this has been a topic in many different threads, I thought it would be a great option to have its very own. So far we have seen many former Pride fighters in the UFC, and most of them are lackluster at best.
Wandy Silva (fought like a champ in a loss)
Nog (looked uninspired)
Herring (not really sure if he should be on the list)
Dan Henderson (I see him being better @ 185)
Cro Cop (I really expected him to dominate and it has been disturbing to see)
If I missed anyone feel free to add. Now lets get to it, why are there so many flops? Could it be the lack of drug testing in Japan, or are the Pride guys just not as good as advertised. Thoughts?
- 12-30-2007, 09:59 PM
CC's problem is mental and Shogun fought with a blown out knee. Hendo did well against Rampage.
The main difference between American MMA and the rest of the world is wrestling. Not just the technique, but also their subculture (e.g. weight cutting). Also, adjusting to the cage and shorter rounds is having a huge impact.M.Ed. Ex Phys
12-30-2007, 10:10 PM
its just amazing the difference. I mean some of the guys who were obviously very talented in Pride, have struggled a great deal here in the US.
12-30-2007, 10:16 PM
I would say that only CC is truly a disappointment. He lost to 2 non-top 10 fighters and looked disinterested in both fights.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
12-31-2007, 01:39 AM
I dont think any fighter can blame the cage, they are ready to come into a fight they have about 3+ months of time to adjust and the only thing they have to adjust with the cage is the ground game and the clinch against the cage, in hawaii we have both a cage and ring and the our cage is super small and the ring is huge but with a lot of practice its nothing to you cant train for.
It could be more mental than a physical thing, training and fighting your entire life to lead up to the worlds Top Organization in the and live up to your fulliest is pretty though man, everyone expects you to kick ass kinda like CC you would expect him to come in and just dominate the entire HW division, or even GSP when took the belt from Matt everyone thought it was gonna be a while until some one takes him out but then you got all this hype from everyone and he just messed up. its a crazy thang
12-31-2007, 10:32 AM
01-02-2008, 08:35 PM
Wandy had trouble adjusting to the cage, even though he fought in it before. How many times did we see Liddel teeing off with Wandy's back against the cage?
I thought the fight was good, but I would have liked to see Wandy try the MT plumb-he had two chances that I recall, and he also should have tried to go from a clinch to a trip. His ground game is very good, but he tired himself out in those exchanges. I think it is also due to his desire to please the fans over winning...which is not necessarily a bad thing.
01-03-2008, 10:54 AM
01-03-2008, 11:43 AM
Cropcop fought Sanchez and Gonzaga without ever training in a cage. For the Kongo fight, the UFC finally supplied him with a scaled down version of the octoagon and had it shipped to Zagreb, where he finally trained in it for the first time with Dean Lister and Bojansky, among others. It apparently didnt help.
I think Crocops problem is a combo of fighting guys much bigger than him and fighting guys much bigger than him in a cage. In a ring he was able to bounce of the ropes and get away and not get pushed up against the cage and take elbows to the forehead for 3 minutes(Gonzaga).
Plus, crocop has never never trained to defend or utilize elbows.
01-03-2008, 12:12 PM
Why does the UFC have to ship Mirko a cage to Russia? If he wants to be home get a damn cage, if not come to somewhere you can train in one. Excuses. I like CC style but he got his ass kicked. I love Pride but some people have this illusion that you have to make excuses for performance. Again, I say some people. There are legit differences and that should be considered but not as a sole reason. I also think the steroid issue is most definately a factor.
01-03-2008, 12:24 PM
01-03-2008, 12:45 PM
I agree Mouth and that's why I didn't get too excited about Shogun and Wandy maybe not looking their best. But Crocop looked like crap I was mostly referring to him and the excuses people are making for him. I do see your point, and I hope people also see my side of the equation too. I think the answer lies soemwhere in the middle. Not all Pride fighters are a good as advertised and some will come around and show their worth. I was shocked at how small Wandy looked and to at least not consider that roids may have played a part in his physical skills in Japan would be putting my head in the sand. I hope that is not the case but even if it is I don't hold him in any less regard. Peace bro.
01-03-2008, 01:07 PM
01-03-2008, 01:31 PM
01-03-2008, 04:18 PM
01-03-2008, 04:36 PM
01-03-2008, 05:13 PM
If Shogun's knee was in terrible shape, I don't see how he could have even come close to the level of conditioning needed to be successful, especially b/c Griffin has a great gas tank.
01-03-2008, 05:22 PM
01-03-2008, 07:45 PM
01-04-2008, 10:44 AM
I know this to be fact, it isn't just some idea I have.
The UFC strong armed some PRIDE guys to fight for way less than they had agreed to because of reconstructing contracts. Not only that but PRIDE didn't do any blood testing either. First time they did it was in Vegas.
01-04-2008, 12:02 PM
01-04-2008, 12:07 PM
01-04-2008, 12:19 PM
01-04-2008, 05:26 PM
01-04-2008, 05:31 PM
01-05-2008, 12:16 AM
Ali's Rope a Dope, technically called shelling in boxing, is hard to do with lightweight MMA gloves, can't hide behind the padding like one can with a boxing glove.
Mirko bought his cage in Croatia, the UFC did'nt supply it.
01-05-2008, 04:36 PM
01-05-2008, 05:57 PM
01-05-2008, 06:45 PM
You are correct. He had a cage built for his facility. Im not sure why I said UFC supplied it for him.
Im still not convinced that it will work. I dont think his style is suited for a cage. He is pretty much just a kickboxer competing in a MMA match. I wish him the best. He is my favorite fighter.
01-06-2008, 12:27 AM
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