Sherk found guilty

Reaper329 · 12-04-2007, 09:26 PM

The CSAC found SHerk guilty todayt and sentenced him to a 6 month suspension. WIth time served he can fight again in January. However, since Dana White has said if he is found guilty he will be stripped, now time will tell if that is the case. Looks like BJ v. Joe Daddy will be for the LW title and not the interim title.

BJ by sub early in rd 2

Mulletsoldier · 12-04-2007, 10:54 PM

I believe Dana went on record renouncing that claim. He stated that the 'mishandling' of the case caused him to change his mind apparently. The Barnacle is in this forum crying somewhere.

jas123 · 12-04-2007, 11:30 PM

So they reduced the sentence, huh. Nice. I'm glad that we'll get to see him fight again soon. I think that the UFC will try to sweep it under the rug to the average Joe-Blow fan and let Sherky keep the belt.

Mulletsoldier · 12-05-2007, 12:25 AM

I have a feeling Dana will do that as well. So odd, the attitude towards juicing in comparison with other sports eh?

Reaper329 · 12-05-2007, 07:08 AM

I really think that Dana needs to strip him of the belt. He was found guilty. Give him the first shot at the winner of BJ v. Joe, that way he has a chance to redeem himself.

MisterEZE · 12-05-2007, 10:22 AM

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I have a feeling Dana will do that as well. So odd, the attitude towards juicing in comparison with other sports eh?

...or other fighters for that matter.

CNorris · 12-05-2007, 12:47 PM

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I really think that Dana needs to strip him of the belt. He was found guilty. Give him the first shot at the winner of BJ v. Joe, that way he has a chance to redeem himself.

He was hardly found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If this case were handled like a criminal trial he would have easily been re-instated. I hope Dana doesn't strip him since the CSAC could not have mishandled this case more than they did. None of its members have a background in biology or medicine except for one doctor that wasnt present at yesterdays meeting. There are countless studies showing that OTC supplements can cause false positives for nandrolone, and why would he be doing DECA if he was going to be tested. Sherk is not that stupid and its pretty clear the most likely situation is that supplements caused the false positive. I think this is more likely than a guy like Sherk risking his title, his career and thousands of dollars by taking a steroid that can test positive for up to 18 months.

If supplements have been shown to cause false nandrolone positives and he takes 32 of them and trains like a madman, its not unreasonable to believe this was a false positive. Dont forget his Xience joint formula tested positive for anabolic agents (cant remember which one).

Its pathetic how the masses are so uneducated about steroids, supplements and naturally occuring hormones. As soon as the public hears an athlete failed a steroid test they bring out their torches and pitchforks and dont give the athlete any chance in hell of making thier case no matter what the relevant facts are.

Reaper329 · 12-05-2007, 12:49 PM

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He was hardly found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If this case were handled like a criminal trial he would have easily been re-instated. I hope Dana doesn't strip him since the CSAC could not have mishandled this case more than they did. None of its members have a background in biology or medicine except for one doctor that wasnt present at yesterdays meeting. There are countless studies showing that OTC supplements can cause false positives for nandrolone, and why would he be doing DECA if he was going to be tested. Sherk is not that stupid and its pretty clear the most likely situation is that supplements caused the false positive. I think this is more likely than a guy like Sherk risking his title, his career and thousands of dollars by taking a steroid that can test positive for up to 18 months.

If supplements have been shown to cause false nandrolone positives and he takes 32 of them and trains like a madman, its not unreasonable to believe this was a false positive. Dont forget his Xience joint formula tested positive for anabolic agents (cant remember which one).

the issue is he WAS found guilty, then he needs to be stripped

jas123 · 12-05-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CNorris

He was hardly found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If this case were handled like a criminal trial he would have easily been re-instated. I hope Dana doesn't strip him since the CSAC could not have mishandled this case more than they did. None of its members have a background in biology or medicine except for one doctor that wasnt present at yesterdays meeting. There are countless studies showing that OTC supplements can cause false positives for nandrolone, and why would he be doing DECA if he was going to be tested. Sherk is not that stupid and its pretty clear the most likely situation is that supplements caused the false positive. I think this is more likely than a guy like Sherk risking his title, his career and thousands of dollars by taking a steroid that can test positive for up to 18 months.

If supplements have been shown to cause false nandrolone positives and he takes 32 of them and trains like a madman, its not unreasonable to believe this was a false positive. Dont forget his Xience joint formula tested positive for anabolic agents (cant remember which one).

Its pathetic how the masses are so uneducated about steroids, supplements and naturally occuring hormones. As soon as the public hears an athlete failed a steroid test they bring out their torches and pitchforks and dont give the athlete any chance in hell of making thier case no matter what the relevant facts are.

No doubt. The whole thing is really sketchy on the part of the CSAC. They don't want one of their rulings overturned because then they would be subject to having all sorts of scrutiny and challenges, but they reduce sentences because basically they lack evidence or have much evidence against them. I don't know all the details of Sherk's case, but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Baroni actually seemed to have a very strong case against them.

sp33dkillz · 12-05-2007, 04:37 PM

Even if he is stripped of the title, he'll get it right back as soon as he has a shot. That man is a pure BEAST.

Mulletsoldier · 12-05-2007, 04:57 PM

It would depend on BJ's conditioning (assuming he gets past this next bout). But, it always depends on BJ's conditioning, I suppose. He handled greater wrestlers than Sherk (Hughes/GSP) at 170, and 155 is a better weight for him. However, that is assuming he will win the interim title and be prepared for either fight. I will assume he won't, and would bet on Sherk.

The CSAC screwed this hard though. Sherk independently tested the joint formula from Xyience as Norris mentioned, which came back as a false positive. I believe he also passed a polygraph did he not? Whether or not he actually used steroids, the case evidence does not corroborate with that. If it does not fit, you must acquit.

Alexander · 12-05-2007, 05:16 PM

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Even if he is stripped of the title, he'll get it right back as soon as he has a shot. That man is a pure BEAST.

The Hilo Boy might have something to say about that. Sherk is amazing, but BJ is on a different level IMO.

Alexander · 12-05-2007, 05:20 PM

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No doubt. The whole thing is really sketchy on the part of the CSAC. They don't want one of their rulings overturned because then they would be subject to having all sorts of scrutiny and challenges, but they reduce sentences because basically they lack evidence or have much evidence against them. I don't know all the details of Sherk's case, but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Baroni actually seemed to have a very strong case against them.

Dude, you're giving out "good posting" emoticons to Norris. I've never received one of those from you, thats bullsh*t. Norris is keeping sh*t civil, Mullet quit talking like some sort of child prodigy, and gave Norris a little nod, you're sweating Norris' posts, friggin twilight zone over here.

CNorris · 12-05-2007, 05:28 PM

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Dude, you're giving out "good posting" emoticons to Norris. I've never received one of those from you, thats bullsh*t. Norris is keeping sh*t civil, Mullet quit talking like some sort of child prodigy, and gave Norris a little nod, you're sweating Norris' posts, friggin twilight zone over here.

Settle down and go eat your cyanide sandwich.

Mulletsoldier · 12-05-2007, 05:29 PM

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Dude, you're giving out "good posting" emoticons to Norris. I've never received one of those from you, thats bullsh*t. Norris is keeping sh*t civil, Mullet quit talking like some sort of child prodigy, and gave Norris a little nod, you're sweating Norris' posts, friggin twilight zone over here.

Meh, I was tired of Jas constantly popping into threads for the sole purpose of calling me a pretentious prick (the irony of that action is lost on the cat, but I let it slide). It got annoying.