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    Liddell vs Jardine-slugfest?


    For some reason i see this being a quick fight. Slugfest. Not like the Foresst - Bonner fight though.
    Anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    For some reason i see this being a quick fight. Slugfest. Not like the Foresst - Bonner fight though.
    Anyone else?
    Yes, I agree. I really don't even care to see this fight. Maybe cause I am just damn hyped about Shogun's debut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    For some reason i see this being a quick fight. Slugfest. Not like the Foresst - Bonner fight though.
    Anyone else?
    haha i spent the last two days watching season 1 of the ultimate fighter.....that sh*t is hott!!!.........bonner and forrests first fight was the hezzy!!!
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    I see it as Dana White's way of getting a fairly easy win for his golden boy.

    Don't get me wrong, I really like Chuck but I just don't see Jardine as being a hard fight for him
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter2032 View Post
    I see it as Dana White's way of getting a fairly easy win for his golden boy.

    Don't get me wrong, I really like Chuck but I just don't see Jardine as being a hard fight for him
    WHAT?! I don't like Jardine but he's a monster. I often refer to him as the Ogre, haha, dont tell him....
    He's a tough dude and lidell had a reality check after rampage. It's goin to be good, i havent had a chance to check jardines recent fights so i am unable to comment on styles. Beside the fact the are both brawlers.
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    i think if chucks chin is suspect and jardine comes in smart and aggressive jardine has a good chance. I dont think its a real easy fight but its sorta like a steppin stone for chuck to fight someone real big again. How about if chuck wins give him houston alexander? hahaha that would be nice.
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    Jardine should get owned in highlight reel fashion. The Forrest fight aside he hasn't really shown KO power. Chuck has a good chin just got caught on the button by one of the hardest punchers at 205. Chuck will win by KO fairly easily.

    Alexander vs. Chuck would be fun. Houston's scary for anyone with his aggression and power. Would he walk right into Chuck's right hand or overwelm him by staying in Chuck's face? I don't know. I'd have to rewatch all 100 s of Houston's fights.
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    I don't think Jardine really has much KO power. He overwhelmed Forrest with GNP, but I don't think the punch that dropped Forrest was that dramatic. He just had threw his ground shots at an awkward, looping over the top angle. Forrest couldn't recover. I think Forrest was winning most exchanges until he got dropped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    I don't think Jardine really has much KO power. He overwhelmed Forrest with GNP, but I don't think the punch that dropped Forrest was that dramatic. He just had threw his ground shots at an awkward, looping over the top angle. Forrest couldn't recover. I think Forrest was winning most exchanges until he got dropped.
    Well my friend, thats one of the many downfalls of MMA. It only takes seconds. like rampage and lidell, lidell and tito, forrest and jardine, silva and franklin, and the list goes on. It only takes one well placed punch. Thats what i mean when you have to look deeper into their style and not just records. Koshcheck lost to GSP...why? he got out wrestled/sprawled. I like chuck but jardine seems to be a in yourr face banger, lidell wont be able to loop his punches as much IMO.
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    I like to see Jardine fight, but I Chuck has a good chin. The angle that he got hit at had a lot to do with Rampage dropping him. It wasn't until the weird horizontal elbow on the ground that Chuck went out, and it was only for a quick second. I don't see Jardine pulling off any of that. Forrest got hit with a barrage, and he was nowhere near being out. He was just overwhelmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    I like to see Jardine fight, but I Chuck has a good chin. The angle that he got hit at had a lot to do with Rampage dropping him. It wasn't until the weird horizontal elbow on the ground that Chuck went out, and it was only for a quick second. I don't see Jardine pulling off any of that. Forrest got hit with a barrage, and he was nowhere near being out. He was just overwhelmed.
    Yea chucks chin may have had that situation you speak of...but it only takes those few seconds to look out of it and frozen, then the ref is liable to call it. Can;t let he lay there and start yelling"Defend of i have to end it...defend...defend" casue then the other guys yellin "LEFT...ELBOW...ELBOW...RI GHT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT" you know? I think chuck was prepparing to recover but i think rampage would have kept him down.
    Jardine will baragae and chucks chin may be moderate but once again chuck needs room to throw his signature power punches, he is not an inside fighter. Jardine will do his close, quick attack to keep it from looping into him.
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    I think Mezger was a much better striker than Jardine, and Chuck's finishing combo on him was one of the best in MMA. That being said, MMA is always a punch away from being over, so anything can happen.
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    so mental twitch you would pick jardine to win it is that what your saying?
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    I think this will be a much better fight than most who think chuck will walk through jardine.

    I think both will come prepared and have done their homework on the other guy. I hope jardine doesnt lose his game plan mid fight and just go swinging into this; then he will get countered/ko'd easy.

    Chuck historicly has came back strong after a loss and im sure he will now. Jardine is a tuff guy and im sure he will as well. This will be a slug fest with Jardine closing the distance mostly and throwing his sig leg kicks into the mix. Chuck will def be "on his bike" with this fight.

    Tuff one to call, but i will go out on the limb and say Jardine by tko late 2nd or UD. I say this mainly cause i believe Jardine knows how to fight a counter fighter and is smart enough to not get caught up too much into a slugout.
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    It is hard to not expect Chuck to come out and end this fight early. However, it makes ZERO sense to have a Chuck-Rampage III. Maybe he could fight a certain Brazilian...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It is hard to not expect Chuck to come out and end this fight early. However, it makes ZERO sense to have a Chuck-Rampage III. Maybe he could fight a certain Brazilian...
    people are talking about chuckrampage III?....thats dumb unless chuck ends up on the top of the division down the road. I wonder if this certain brazilian you speak of will ever be in the UFC...

    I agree wtih JZ over there....i dont think this will be as easy a fight for chuck as people expect and i think itll be a decent fight.
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    That certain Brazilian is in the UFC and if Chuck gets past Jardine, then he will most likely fight him on the Dec 29th card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    people are talking about chuckrampage III?....thats dumb unless chuck ends up on the top of the division down the road. I wonder if this certain brazilian you speak of will ever be in the UFC...

    I agree wtih JZ over there....i dont think this will be as easy a fight for chuck as people expect and i think itll be a decent fight.
    Yes he finally signed a couple of weeks ago and there is visual evidence of him signing the contract. The only probelm is that a Wand-Rampage III makes as much sense as a Chuck-Rampage III.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yes he finally signed a couple of weeks ago and there is visual evidence of him signing the contract. The only probelm is that a Wand-Rampage III makes as much sense as a Chuck-Rampage III.
    Exactly and that's where Shogun comes in...... Shogun fights for the belt assuming he beats Forrest. In the meantime, Chuck-Wand settle the score. Houston A. fights Machida in a crazy clash of standup styles. Tito fights Rashad and is quietly shown the door. Bisping drops to 185 and is KOed brutally by Terry Martin (since Houston is busy) then asks if can fight Ross Pointon and Josh Haynes some more.

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    Then what becomes of Wand and Shogun??? Last I heard, they still will not fight each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JZ7757 View Post
    That certain Brazilian is in the UFC and if Chuck gets past Jardine, then he will most likely fight him on the Dec 29th card.
    i tought he was refering to wanderlei...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    i tought he was refering to wanderlei...
    I was and he is scheduled to fight in late December.
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    I by no means am making a legit pick in this fight. I thinkg chuck can end it but wont right away. That being said, i think JArdine is used to being a longer time frame banger so i pick Jardine, third round, TKO(stoppage).

    Wandy will beat chuck. Yes, he will. I think chuck is a good stroker no doubt but Wandy can take a beating. I watched him on a youtbe vid BARE knuckle fighting for 3 rounds i think exchanging. When i seen Hendo had knocked out Wandy i was shocked. But Hendo is great still
    I also think Foresst has his hands full, BUT im giving it to foresst by decision.
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    Forrest by decision? Do you know who Shogun is?

    I'll have to see how Chuck looks against Jardine, but I might honestly pick Chuck to beat Wand. It's hard to say since Wand will be training with a new team and both just got KOed. '03 Wandy wins, '06 maybe Chuck wins, now = ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jas123 View Post
    Forrest by decision? Do you know who Shogun is?

    I'll have to see how Chuck looks against Jardine, but I might honestly pick Chuck to beat Wand. It's hard to say since Wand will be training with a new team and both just got KOed. '03 Wandy wins, '06 maybe Chuck wins, now = ?
    HAHA yes i know who shogun is! I dont know i just want foresst but dont think he'll finish...im pretty much hoping shogun doesnt. I know high hopes but oh well.

    Wanderli is sic though man. Chuck i don't think will be ready for the quick power and intensity.First JArdine though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jas123 View Post
    Exactly and that's where Shogun comes in...... Shogun fights for the belt assuming he beats Forrest. In the meantime, Chuck-Wand settle the score. Houston A. fights Machida in a crazy clash of standup styles. Tito fights Rashad and is quietly shown the door. Bisping drops to 185 and is KOed brutally by Terry Martin (since Houston is busy) then asks if can fight Ross Pointon and Josh Haynes some more.

    Jas, I love your Machida vs. Alexander matchup. Make it happen, Joe Silva!
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    This is a huge opportunity for Keith Jardine, and I would like to see him win. He has a lot of raw ability, I think, but he got beat pretty bad last time I saw him fight (Houston Alexander, I think). Then again, Alexander has been looking pretty good against everyone.

    I call Chuck winning and making a decent comeback, KO, whenever. Because I called it that way, it will go to a decision and Jardine will win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I was and he is scheduled to fight in late December.
    What's the deal with your fighting schedule? Still fighting on or around Halloween? 155 or 170?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrall View Post
    This is a huge opportunity for Keith Jardine, and I would like to see him win. He has a lot of raw ability, I think, but he got beat pretty bad last time I saw him fight (Houston Alexander, I think). Then again, Alexander has been looking pretty good against everyone.

    I call Chuck winning and making a decent comeback, KO, whenever. Because I called it that way, it will go to a decision and Jardine will win.
    Jinxer I think Chuck will KO Jardine in the first round, maybe the 2nd.
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    I'm not ready to comment on the tactics of Liddell_Jardine, but I sure like the UFC Strategy of matching fighters that are coming off a loss and badly needing a win to get back in the game , like this one and Vera_Sylvia. Vera not on a loss, but to reestablish himself. Oh, yeah, add Hughes and Serra with an extra twist of bad blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone View Post
    I'm not ready to comment on the tactics of Liddell_Jardine, but I sure like the UFC Strategy of matching fighters that are coming off a loss and badly needing a win to get back in the game , like this one and Vera_Sylvia. Vera not on a loss, but to reestablish himself. Oh, yeah, add Hughes and Serra with an extra twist of bad blood.
    I don't think your tactical expertise is going to be much of a factor in this fight. They have somewhat similar styles, Liddell is just one notch better at everything. You're right about the UFC matchmaking Strategy. Joe Silva aint no tard or goober. Vera/Sylvia is a tough one to call.
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    Yea, thats the exact reasoni started this. I think it's going to just be pure punching. chuck may throw a few kicks. Does Jardine kick? Like i said before i havent seen him fight much so i can't really analize either.
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    Not better at everything. Jardine has a better low kick, if he does his splits he could go Gonzaga upside Chuckie's head?

    Not likely, but I would expect he will at least attempt to pound on Liddell's thighs.

    I think I'll go watch Lidell versus Vernon White And Alastair Overeem and Jardine versus Griffin and Bonnar to gauge this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone View Post
    Not better at everything. Jardine has a better low kick, if he does his splits he could go Gonzaga upside Chuckie's head?

    Not likely, but I would expect he will at least attempt to pound on Liddell's thighs.

    I think I'll go watch Lidell versus Vernon White And Alastair Overeem and Jardine versus Griffin and Bonnar to gauge this one.
    HAHA din't chcuk clip vernon "the tiger" white quickly? So thats not fair! haha. It'll be good to see.
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    Yeah, it ended with Chuck backing away and catching Vernon with a shot to the orbital bone. But there were plenty of exchanges beforehand to be able to gauge some thangs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander View Post
    Yeah, it ended with Chuck backing away and catching Vernon with a shot to the orbital bone. But there was plenty of exchanges beforehand to be able to gauge some thangs
    yea i rememebr that very clear and yelling " you lucky MFer!" he was backing up and thats what pissed me of, but hey thats MMA. Oh and i dint want vernon to win just bothered me he wasnt leaning into it.
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    OT to this discussion, but speaking of Overeem - He and Sergei Kharitinov are rematching at Heros on the 17th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone View Post
    OT to this discussion, but speaking of Overeem - He and Sergei Kharitinov are rematching at Heros on the 17th.
    Wow. I was just reading that Sergei would be on that card, but didn't know it was gonna be against Overeem. Thanks, that's awesome. Sergei owes Alistair a serious beatdown. There's some good fighters on that card, not so good opponents in most cases. JZ/Shaolin should be good. I heard Akiyama might be fighting on that card to, any idea?
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    This is the fightcard, according to the MMA tracker, which is usually updated to be accurate, but I can't confirm this with the Hero's site, it's only in Japanese.

    K-1 Hero's MWGP Finals
    --------------------fightcard--------------------
    J.Z. Calvan vs. Vitor "Shaolin" Ribeiro
    Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Katsuyori Shibata
    Caol Uno vs. Andre Dida
    Norifumi "KID" Yamamoto vs. Bibiano Fernandes
    Dong Sik Yoon vs. Zelg Galesic
    Ikuhisa Minowa vs. Kevin Casey
    Takenori Sato vs. Kenji Nagai
    Wataru Takahashi vs. Tashiro Nishiuchi
    Kazuyuki Miyata vs. Harvey Harra
    Fabio Silva vs. Melvin Manhoef
    Sergei Kharitonov vs. Alistair Overeem
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