Another One Pins the Butt!
- 07-19-2007, 01:16 PM
Another One Pins the Butt!
This is definitely a surprise:
This statement was provided to MMAWeekly on behalf of Hermes Franca to address the positive drug test as found by the California State Athletic Commission after his bout with Sean Sherk at UFC 73:
In the next few days, the results from the California Commission will be released. The tests will show that I had a "banned substance" in my system.
I would like to apologize to my fans, the UFC, my students and family. I offer only an explanation and not an excuse. I made a decision during a difficult time in my training for the fight that I regret.
About 8 weeks out from the fight, I badly injured my ankle during a training session. For the following week I had rested it, rehabbed it and tried to work around the injury. It was obvious that I could not train as required.
I contacted the UFC and explained my injury and how I could not possibly train to the level I thought I would need in order to be properly prepared for my fight. I asked the UFC if we could push the fight out to the following UFC with the chance that it could happen. They explained that they could not do that and that the card had been set and it isnt as easy as just moving around a fight. I totally understood their position. They asked me to keep them informed should I not be able to fight.
I had not fought for 5 months. Fighting is literally how I put food on my wife and childs table and how I pay my bills. As a fighter though, even at this level, I live a simple life and I literally live from fight to fight. Not getting a paycheck for another few months and losing my chance to fight Sean for the title was overpowering. Fighting is the life I chose and I love it.
As a lightweight fighter, our purses are comparatively
small. The public sees the payouts. As lightweights, we do not pull down the money anything near the bigger guys. Its just the way it is. I think Sean fought and defended his title for less than $30,000. Its no ones fault, its just the market. I love the sport, I love the people in the
At this point I was desperate and needed anything I could to get my injury as close to healing as possible and be able to recover from the daily training regimen I was going through. I made the shortsighted choice to hopefully accelerate the healing process and allow me to keep training. Under the pressure of literally not being able to pay next months bills I made a choice. I had to fight and did whatever I could to do so.
I hope my fans, students, the UFC and the public accept my
sincere apology. Whatever punishment is dictated by the California Athletic Commission I will understand. I would like to get through this very difficult time and the times ahead and get back to fighting. All the best to my fans and much thanks to my family and friends that continue to support me during these times.
- 07-19-2007, 01:47 PM
Damn, that is a surprise. I actually like the way he handled it, although he may have layed it on a little thick with the not paying bills stuff (who knows, though).
I wonder what he took?
- 07-19-2007, 01:51 PM
I was thinking the same thing about bills. Isn't he the owner of the Armory? That is supposed to be a great school. I'd think he'd be making good $$$$$.
07-19-2007, 01:55 PM
I think he might be the first professional athlete to actually tell the truth...
07-19-2007, 01:58 PM
You've got to be ****ing kidding me!!!!!!!!
I can't believe these guys are juicing, and don't bother to learn basic details, such as how long the drugs stay in their systems.
Sean Sherk, the reigning UFC World Lightweight Champion, who last competed on July 7, 2007 in Sacramento, has tested positive for Nandrolone Metabolite. He has been fined $2,500. His suspension period runs from the conclusion of his bout on July 7, 2007 through the remainder of his licensing year which is June 26, 2008. Furthermore, he has been assessed an additional 10 days in order to fulfill the terms of his suspension (365 total days). The additional days will be added at the beginning of his next licensing year when he reapplies.
Normal levels of Nandrolone range from 2 ng/mL (average person) to 6 ng/mL (athlete engaged in rigorous activity). Mr. Sherk's reported level certified by the Director of Science and Technology from the laboratory that conducted the tests was 12 ng/mL. Both the "A" sample and "B" sample were tested and confirmed as positive.
07-19-2007, 02:12 PM
So they were both juicing...doesn't that cancel it out?
07-19-2007, 02:17 PM
07-19-2007, 02:35 PM
Sherk's positive test was only 12. Gracie's was around 50. I know the cutoff is 6, but Sherk seems to be such a genetic anomaly, that I wouldn't be surprised if this were just an exception. He could easily be in the 99th percentile.
07-19-2007, 03:54 PM
Well damn, that sucks. I wanted to believe Sherk was just an animal. It's hard to believe that Sherk would not know that the half-life of nandro is ridiculous. So maybe he had shoulder surgery after the K-Flo fight ran a cycle after the surgery to get back where he was and the nandro hadn't cleared his system yet?
If athletes can produce an extra 4ng then maybe super athletes can produce an extra 10ng? Doubtful.
What's Drostanolone? Is there another name for it?
07-19-2007, 04:13 PM
I didn't even think about the fact that BJ-Sherk won't happen now.
07-19-2007, 04:14 PM
07-19-2007, 04:14 PM
These people need to spend the extra money and get someone in their camp that know how to use juice, correctly, and take blood test, and get the right stuff that mask some of the juice.
07-19-2007, 04:25 PM
They could probably find the info they need in 10 min using the internet. It really is ridiculous.
07-19-2007, 04:57 PM
07-20-2007, 12:27 AM
nate marquart tested positive too...well that's hear say right now- i haven't found positive proof on the web but i've heard from a few people its true
07-20-2007, 12:31 AM
Dromostanolone propionate is the chemical name of active ingredient in Masteron. Masteron was a registered trademark of Sarva-Syntex in Belgium and/or other countries prior to cancellation.
07-20-2007, 12:36 AM
One look at Sherk and I knew he used juice at some point, but I never though in a million years he would be stupid enough to use juice when he has the title, he threw it all away, what an idiot. BJ Penn would have beat him anyways, then go up to the 170 division and take that belt too, I don't like him much, but I would and have put money on it that he will do just that.
07-20-2007, 12:53 AM
07-20-2007, 03:01 AM
I saw Sherk's All Access documentary, and had hoped that of all people he'd be clean. But in looking at his physique at the weigh-ins, I had suspicions even before this news:
Johnny Morton was an obvious one as well:
07-20-2007, 11:33 AM
if you look at sherks training regimen, and everything he does and his 'i dont eat for flavor, i eat for performance' kind of attitude....do you think for a minute that he could have had 12 ng/mL? i'm just too much of a fan i guess to let this one sink in right now...his appeal will be heard Aug. 6th- so i cant wait!
07-20-2007, 11:34 AM
Did they all get thier A and B sample tested by different labs?
07-20-2007, 11:35 AM
07-20-2007, 01:10 PM
I'm the biggest Sherk fan there is so coming from me this should mean something- it definitely ain't shocking to hear that Sherk juices.
Come on, fellas. Look at the guy.
Sure, he has great genetics and an unbelievable work ethic, but that's not enough to be at the top level of sports today. It just isn't.
He probably took nandrolone way back for his shoulder injury and to enhance his training, and it's just now starting to clear his system, hence the relatively low reading. Nandy stays in your system for a long goddamn time so this isn't surprising in any way.
It was a really stupid mistake to take nandrolone knowing full well you could be tested, but Sherk is still my boy.
And kudos to Hermes for manning up and telling the truth.
07-20-2007, 02:56 PM
This is a really disappointing situation, this specifically and the overall one of so many MMA guys getting Drug Suspensions.
Yes, thank you, Captain Duh Obvious. Forgive me, I am a mental midget.
My gut feeling about Sherk, everything I've seen of him and my sense of the character of athletes, is that he's an honorable man who is not a cheater, but I suspect that two things are going on here.
One is maybe leftover metabolites from Injury treatment and the other is maybe his unusually intense cardio regime and possibly high protein intake with maybe the use of Creatine, this intensity/diet combo has been shown to spike Nandrolone levels to unusually high levels and has been cause to have testing judgments overturned among Olympic Athletes.
Sherk is not the average athlete in his intensity and dietary regime, I think, maybe I'm just sipping the koolaid, that there is more going on here than appears on the surface.
I don't know what chance he has in getting this suspension overturned, I'm looking forward to the opportunity to review the counter evidence, if made publically available.
07-20-2007, 03:02 PM
BTW, the title of this thread is meant to be sung...to the chorus of "Another One Bites the Dust"!
Nothing like a wee song to cheer up our injured hearts
07-20-2007, 03:39 PM
07-20-2007, 03:39 PM
Injured?! how about broken, cracked, shattered and dissipated!
This is exremely dissapointing, out of ALL people, right after such BIG things have been happening for him, and after having a long great recovery. man.....
Frankly, i still refuse to believe it....atleast for right now. I like you guys have been a big fan of sherk from way back when.
I agree with you RD on the theory's and it will be interesting to see how this all unfolds. Esp regarding the title (first ever MMA athlete to be stripped due to steriods?).
One other thing to note is that ALL of the positives i believe over the last year have all come from CA events. Now, im going to doubble check that and obviously there were just some blatant offence's, but something may be wrong with the CA commision's testing proceedures/lab.
Or, I could be drinking the aid with RD or my bitter heart is just looking for some kind of light here. I'm a pretty good judge of charcter myself and this doesnt add up.
I hear you savage, but just given his lifestyle, commitment, comptetitive edge geneticly and all this time he has only lost twice out of 38+ fights and im sure been tested before, tells me that this just doesnt add up.
Im not doubting that he had help putting on all that muscle when he was 170+lbs back when, but not now in the height of his career. He is too commited to make this typ of easy, stupid mistake.
07-20-2007, 03:51 PM
I sad he got caught, but in a way i'm glad to wake you guys up, to show you, to be the best you have to be willing to do anything to be the best.
Cheating??? How about all the college students that take ritalin, concerta, or any other ADD drug to study and you make an A.
You wouldn't take a needle in your butt for 760 home runs and 20 million a year? (BONDS)
07-20-2007, 05:20 PM
07-20-2007, 05:58 PM
I don't get why he would take deca, their are other things out their that give similar benefits that clear the system much much faster.
And I hate how people say "take one look at sherk and you know he juices". That is absolute bull****. It is obvious he is genetically gifted and his physique is very attainable naturally with his work ethic and nutrition.
07-20-2007, 06:40 PM
07-20-2007, 10:05 PM
Awesome: That he admitted it.
Not Awesome: That he was dumb enough to use deca, the worst possible choice when you KNOW you're going to be tested.
07-21-2007, 12:42 AM
I wonder if Sherk will claim that his diet in addition to his training could account for the high levels of nandrolone.
07-21-2007, 01:40 AM
Spotting juicers with a high probablity isn't all that difficult when you study androgen receptor density and distribution.
Of course it ain't 100%, but nothing is.
Plus, we get questions from MMA fighters on how to get gear, how to use it, etc. Of course, since we're a legit company, we don't give them the time of day, but trust me- I have a very good idea of who is doing stuff, who isn't, and how to spot common characteristics.
I'm not trying to take anything away from the guy either, BTW. I'm probably his biggest fan.
I just know a lot about this.
07-21-2007, 03:13 PM
07-21-2007, 03:22 PM
If he was just a lifter I would say it's very attainable but add the fact he's at the top of a very taxing sport, i'd have to say no he couldn't.
07-21-2007, 05:05 PM
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
07-21-2007, 05:44 PM
07-21-2007, 05:49 PM
Isn't 12 a ridiculously high natural nandralone lvl...
07-21-2007, 05:59 PM
I'm definitely still suspicious of the Sherk positive. I haven't read about steroids in over a year, but I thought you could still test positive for nandro 18 months later. If that is true, and considering the relatively low level, would it be long enough that he should have tested positive when he fought Florian?
That was a question out of my own ignorance, so don't jump down my throat.
Also, everyone is not the same. MMA is extremely catabolic, but I know people whose legs get bigger when they start running. Running is also extremely catabolic when doing extreme distances. I've seen marathoners with massive legs, so lets not overgeneralize. I think we need to wait for some investigation before jumping to conclusions.
Sherk said he's been lifting religiously since he was seven (or something crazy like that). If he was big before he started fighting, and he had the genetics to carry a lot of weight naturally, is it really so far fetched that he is extremely muscular for 155? Some Olympic HW wrestlers are massive and shredded. They probably workout with an intensity comparable to Sherk's. Are they using? Some probably are, but not all.
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