The Controversial Decisions Thread

Rodja · 06-18-2007, 12:48 AM

With the Griffin-Guida hoopla going on right now, I thought this would be a good time start a thread where we discuss controversial decisions. Posting links to the fight would be a good idea to make this easier.

I will start with:
Wand/Arona 2
Wand/Arona2
I agree with the decision here; Wand avoided many takedowns, was the aggressor, and tried to finish the fight.
Wand/Hunt
Wand/Hunt
I do not agree with this. Wand controlled the pace with his striking and TD's. Hunt did knock Wand down, but, overall, I think that he did not do enough to win, especially since a large weight advantage factors into the PRIDE judging criteria.

jas123 · 06-18-2007, 11:01 AM

I thought Wand beat Arona in the 2nd one, reversing many of his takedown attempts and landing more (although not much) on the feet. It was dead even IMO until Arona pulled guard with 1:00 left. I thought that justified the win for Wand.

Hunt-Wand was really close. I would have to watch it for a 10th time again to decide.

Mezger/Arona - I thought Mezger got screwed in this one. (No link available)

Randy-Vitor II - a little different, but this should have been a no contest IMO.

Rodja · 06-18-2007, 12:17 PM

Mezger has gotten the shaft on more than one occasion in PRIDE.

jas123 · 06-18-2007, 12:35 PM

Yeah, that's true for sure.

Thinking back to Hunt-Wandy. I thought Wandy might have won that one. He came out swinging for the fences in the third for the first 2 minutes and was really aggressive after taking a pounding in the 2nd. Even after he got knocked down in the 2nd and was getting pounded, he threw a decent armbar attempt. With the 10 kilo difference in the scoring, I thought he won. We may both be a little pro-Wandy, though, Rodja.

Herring-Belfort was a really bad decision as I recall. Herring dominated the whole time, but the 10 kilo weight difference somehow cancelled that out completely.

Rodja · 06-18-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jas123

Yeah, that's true for sure.

Thinking back to Hunt-Wandy. I thought Wandy might have won that one. He came out swinging for the fences in the third for the first 2 minutes and was really aggressive after taking a pounding in the 2nd. Even after he got knocked down in the 2nd and was getting pounded, he threw a decent armbar attempt. With the 10 kilo difference in the scoring, I thought he won. We may both be a little pro-Wandy, though, Rodja.

Herring-Belfort was a really bad decision as I recall. Herring dominated the whole time, but the 10 kilo weight difference somehow cancelled that out completely.

Herring definitely won that fight.

The Bas/Randleman was the biggest shaft ever. There is no way Bas won that fight.

MrTotality · 06-18-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodja

With the Griffin-Guida hoopla going on right now, I thought this would be a good time start a thread where we discuss controversial decisions. Posting links to the fight would be a good idea to make this easier.

I will start with:
Wand/Arona 2
Wand/Arona2
I agree with the decision here; Wand avoided many takedowns, was the aggressor, and tried to finish the fight.
Wand/Hunt
Wand/Hunt
I do not agree with this. Wand controlled the pace with his striking and TD's. Hunt did knock Wand down, but, overall, I think that he did not do enough to win, especially since a large weight advantage factors into the PRIDE judging criteria.

not biased toward wand are you?

jas123 · 06-18-2007, 12:51 PM

Randleman got screwed royally in that one. The only thing that I can think of is that they scored striking off the back more in that era whereas they don't really score it at all in this era.

OT: My bro's bjj instructor was at a Vale Tudo event way back when and said that Igor was mounted and Koed a guy from the bottom. If anyone knows of this fight, please let me know.

Alexander · 06-18-2007, 05:23 PM

Ninja vs Hendo. Havn't seen the fight for a while, but I remember Ninja controlling most of the fight, and then Dan wins the last few minutes and they give him the decision. Finish strong in Pride.

Rodja · 06-18-2007, 06:15 PM

Ninja/Rampage as well. You can tell at the decision that Rampage knows that he lost and he apologizes to Ninja.

MrTotality · 06-19-2007, 11:02 AM

there are always bad decisions and it was Guida who said you should never leave it in the judges hands

jas123 · 06-19-2007, 11:06 AM

So Ninja vs. Mezger in Pride. Who gets screwed in a close decision?

Rodja · 06-19-2007, 11:25 AM

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So Ninja vs. Mezger in Pride. Who gets screwed in a close decision?

Probably Mezger; he is one of those guys that, if the decisions went his way, would have been a legend.

MrTotality · 06-19-2007, 01:20 PM

I agree about Mezger, however the first fight with Tito was a friggin joke

Rufio · 06-19-2007, 02:24 PM

I think Nick Diaz has had a pretty rough time when it comes to decisions. A lot of that is because he prefers to fight off his back. If he doesn't finish a fight, he's almost gauranteed to lose the decision in the UFC.

Rodja · 06-19-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufio

I think Nick Diaz has had a pretty rough time when it comes to decisions. A lot of that is because he prefers to fight off his back. If he doesn't finish a fight, he's almost gauranteed to lose the decision in the UFC.

Very few BJJ guys get the respect they deserve in the UFC. The judges just do not understand the nature of BJJ is to have offense at every position on the ground.

UNCfan1 · 06-19-2007, 10:27 PM

How about Ortiz/Belfort. I personally thought Vitor was robbed. I will have to watch the DVD again, but from what I remember Vitor was the agressor for most of the fight. Ortiz did take him down but nothing to bad. Vitor had some really nice bursts.