Poll: Are elbows good or bad for MMA?

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Elbows : Good or Bad for MMA?

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  1. Elbows : Good or Bad for MMA?


    I'm sort of torn on this issue. Seeing Sherk-Raddach the other day reminded me of how impressive elbow work from the top can be, sliding them in from all sorts of angles with great force. Tito is no doubt an artist with the elbows as well. I also like seeing guys slip them in in the clinch or on a break from clinching. However, seeing fights like Sherk-Florian that were almost stopped by a weak elbow from the bottom because of a cut, it seems like they can lead to many unsatisfying conclusions and messy scars for the fighters.

    What do you think?


  2. I like elbows because it adds another dimension to a fighter. Guys that master effective elbow strikes bring a little more action to the ground IE OLD David Loiseau (not as of late though...not sure what's going on with him) or the aforementioned K-Flo.

    I like to see most strikes kept legal anyway though. I would really like to see similar striking rules to that of Pride, but allow elbows as well. Not sure how international fights will vary with rules with all of these new mergers though.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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  3. Standing or to the body, yes. Downward on the ground, no. I have seen too many, even though the overall % is low, fights end by cut.

  4. I hate seeing a fight end with a cut and elbows are good for that, but I love the added dimension it adds.


  5. I voted bad, and my opinion is in line with what Rodja wrote. When standing, I can understand using elbows and allowing them. On the ground, I think too many fights can be decided by an elbow which I do not like. The idea of fights ending from a cut caused by an elbow is unsatisfying and not entertaining in my mind.

    MMA is sport fighting so having rules in place to allow more entertaining fights where skill is essential is ideal in my mind.
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  6. I know Rodja is a fighter, are you too Size? I was just wondering b/c I can definitely understand being against elbows from a fighter's stand point (amongst other reasons as well).
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  7. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I know Rodja is a fighter, are you too Size? I was just wondering b/c I can definitely understand being against elbows from a fighter's stand point (amongst other reasons as well).
    I have competed in grappling and spar often but I would not consider myself a fighter.

  8. I like standing elbows, and think they are badly underused. I think they are valid on the ground, but I don't like the Tito Ortiz one-dimensional style of relying on them. I think they probably belong, despite the cuts, but I'm not a big fan. The PRIDE GnP of guys like Fedor and Shogun is so much more exciting.

  9. no elbows on the ground. i want to see a fight damnit, not see some dude lose just because he got cut 30seconds into the thing

  10. Elbows ultimately do more harm than good but I'd almost rather see less restrictions that more. I favor Vale Tudo rules to a degree.

    You have to wonder if the lack of a universal rule set not to mention environment(cage or ring) ultimately hurts the sport. Each promotion uses varying rule sets and modifications to the cage or ring. It would make it easier for fighters and fans if there were universal conditions. But boxing has slight modifications between states and organizations and it doesn't seem to hamper the sport. But the changes are minor and don't effect the techniques that can be used.

    In the end I would rather they excluded elbows to the head of a downed opponent and permit knees in its place.

  11. Benji told me he was pissed about that stoppage against Sherk. And honestly, maybe he was right- I don't remember it being a tremendous cut.

    But I like elbows. They're one more tool to make a fight dynamic. I don't think they should be taken out. I think they should be added TO. For example, I think knees on the ground should be implemented alongside them. Let's see what fighters can do when a guy on top can use both as weapons.

    And as far as the "elbow LnP" argument goes, I'm with Rogan on that. If you can't get a guy off of you who is nailing you with elbows, well, too bad.

  12. If I was a fighter, I would put a Fentanyl patch over that leftover Scrotal Skin and then file my Elbows razor sharp to slice and dice those *****es.

  13. Savage, do you sponsor Benji? The stoppage did look premature to me. Man, Sherk looked like a little munchkin next to Benji.

    If you're landing elbows, it's not LnP in my book.

  14. Used to, yeah- for a little while.

  15. I think they should just add some sort of elbow covering to reduce the incidence of cuts. I like the technical aspect elbows bring to the game though... They're a new tool to use, but they're perfectly defendable, if you know how to control distance with your hips in the guard.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by exnihilo View Post
    I think they should just add some sort of elbow covering to reduce the incidence of cuts. I like the technical aspect elbows bring to the game though... They're a new tool to use, but they're perfectly defendable, if you know how to control distance with your hips in the guard.
    Never thought of that. With the right design that could really work out. Just something with decently thick padding that wouldn't slip off. Good idea.

  17. After more thought, I think I like elbows. The percentage of fights stopped by cut is pretty small (probably < 2%) and the added dimension makes it worth it.

  18. I like Ex's idea, but I don't see how they wouldn't slip constantly. Even those slips for shooting always slide off and bunch up; if they're too tight they cut off your circulation...or maybe it's b/c I have chicken legs...and chicken arms

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf View Post
    I like Ex's idea, but I don't see how they wouldn't slip constantly. Even those slips for shooting always slide off and bunch up; if they're too tight they cut off your circulation...or maybe it's b/c I have chicken legs...and chicken arms
    You might be right about the slippage. I think with the proper design it wouldn't be too bad. The elbow pads would also make some submissions easier I would think, specifically armbars.

  20. The pad is a decent idea, but I think it would be awkward, limit mobility, and soften the blows (which I don't like).

  21. EX try to market it. If it were made of neoprene of some other sort of synthetic rubber it would not slip.
    I think I think remember some of the early UFC's someone wearing elbow pads.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jas123 View Post
    The pad is a decent idea, but I think it would be awkward, limit mobility, and soften the blows (which I don't like).
    Those factors all depend on how they're constructed. The softening of the blows is an issue, I'd rather fights end quickly than be long, grinding affairs, but cuts are the worst possible way for a fight to end.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by size View Post
    I voted bad, and my opinion is in line with what Rodja wrote. When standing, I can understand using elbows and allowing them. On the ground, I think too many fights can be decided by an elbow which I do not like. The idea of fights ending from a cut caused by an elbow is unsatisfying and not entertaining in my mind.

    MMA is sport fighting so having rules in place to allow more entertaining fights where skill is essential is ideal in my mind.

    agreed!
    i would also like to see heel hooks taken out because those can potentially end a career or postpone one for a very long time. They are way too dangerous IMO

  24. Quote Originally Posted by PHWSSJ View Post
    agreed!
    i would also like to see heel hooks taken out because those can potentially end a career or postpone one for a very long time. They are way too dangerous IMO
    Get rid of armbars, kneebars, kimuras too then cuz they can cause career ending joint damage. If the fighter is too foolish to tap then they can incur the consequences.

    As for the elbow padding it wouldn't work. Even neoprene slips as evident by anyone that wears knee wraps/pads. But the thinness of the pad wouldn't dramatically reduce the force of the strike.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by PHWSSJ View Post
    agreed!
    i would also like to see heel hooks taken out because those can potentially end a career or postpone one for a very long time. They are way too dangerous IMO
    I certainly do NOT want to see heel hooks removed. I would like to see elbows removed or the rules adjusted only to stop fights from ending prematurely due to a cut.
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