Arlovski/Werdum and Machida/Griffin

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  1. Arlovski/Werdum and Machida/Griffin


    These 2 fights are confirmed for UFC 70. What's everyones take on these 2 fights? I'm thinking Werdum and Machida will win. 2 interesting fights either way. I wonder if Werdum and Crocop would ever fight. I don't think they train together anymore so its possible.


  2. Damn! AA - Werdum is a Pride caliber matchup IMO. I'm excited about it but it does seem like they could build up Werdum a little before this fight. Although they may end up doing it with this fight. Werdum has faced tough strikers before like Sergei, Aleks, Zentsov, Overeem so I'd have to give him the advantage. AA may be a little quicker than those guys but Werdum is tough to knockout. This will really give us a sense of how good AA is. Werdum by sub or decision. I think CC said he'd fight anyone in the OWGP.

    Not sure why Machida is moving to 205 (which is what I assume is happening). It's an interesting test for him but I would rather see him at 185 which seems more natural for him. I'll go with Machida by decision for now. This should be a decent event after two lackluster affairs (68 and 69).

    I might as well give up trying to accomplish anything this afternoon. Too much MMA excitement.
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  3. Definitely a Pride caliber match-up, I'm excited too. I wonder who will be the favorite? I may be putting some decent amount of dough on Werdum.

    Jas, as far as I know Machida has always fought at 205 or HW. Although I think you're right, he would be the ****ing man at 185, and I think he could make that weight without too much trouble. I mean who could beat Machida at 185, personally I don't think Anderson would have a very good chance, bring on the flames. Although I would probably rather see Anderson fight as he finishes his fights 90% of the time and Machida probably finishes 30% of the time.

  4. Edit: I thought he fought Hoger at 185. Don't know what I was thinking.

  5. Also on this card:
    Bisping vs Sinosic
    Crocop vs Gonzzzzaga
    Tito vs TBA
    Assuerio Silva vs Cheick Kongo

    This is looking damn good so far.
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  6. It needs to be good, cause 69 is looking really dull right now.

    No offense to the guy, but other than being kinda British ( Australian) for a UK show, why does the UFC keep giving Elvis Sinosic fights?, it's like Riggs squared.

  7. I guess they need Bisping to when being british and all, but I agree, Sinosic does not belong in the UFC. Should only count as half a win on Bisping's record. Also would it kill Sinosic do to some weight training, his weakness is his weakness.

  8. So it's now 4 to 6 in the battle between the UFC and Pride for Top 10 Heavies. There's a part of me that's saddened by Pride's potential future demise. I think that I like them better as a company for the rules and production (not considering talent).

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jas123 View Post
    So it's now 4 to 6 in the battle between the UFC and Pride for Top 10 Heavies. There's a part of me that's saddened by Pride's potential future demise. I think that I like them better as a company for the rules and production (not considering talent).
    In my book Fedor counts as #1-3. So Pride has 4 out of the top 5.

  10. It's rumored that Tito will fight Jardine as well.

  11. Latest rumor is that this event (UFC 70) may be aired on Spike rather than HBO.

  12. That would be sweet. Without a doubt, the best free card in history.

    BTW, Tito is rumored to be fighting Rashad now, instead of Jardine.

  13. Tito - Rashad would be really interesting. I'd give Rashad a decent shot altough he's not really battle tested as Tito is.

  14. It would be nice to finally see Tito go away. He is probably the most overrated fighter of the past decade.

  15. I hope its on HBO. If its on Spike we'll probably see fewer fights. I hope Rashad beats Tito. Should be a really close fight.

  16. If its on HBO i will not have an excuse to go to Hooters
    Rashad stadup was nice his last fight. It should be a GnP battle. I like Arlovski the dude is a grinder he just needs to bring back the fangs and the long hair. I think the pitbull has a nice chance.

  17. The pitbull is soooo athletic, but his jaw is weak and because of that he does'nt seem to want to mix it up like he should. He's the opposite of guys like Fedor who are so comfortable trading. If Arlovski had a better chin and was willing to really trade he would be really tough to beat. Werdum by sub IMO.

  18. If they really want Forrest to stay a star, they should probably give him some "easy" fights once in a while. Damn.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    If they really want Forrest to stay a star, they should probably give him some "easy" fights once in a while. Damn.
    Really, getting knocked out by Jardine, and now he's going to get dominated by Lyoto. Things are not looking good for Forrest.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Alexander View Post
    The pitbull is soooo athletic, but his jaw is weak and because of that he does'nt seem to want to mix it up like he should. He's the opposite of guys like Fedor who are so comfortable trading. If Arlovski had a better chin and was willing to really trade he would be really tough to beat. Werdum by sub IMO.
    good point his chin is suspect
    Forrest must of pissed Dana off b/c if he gets owned again we might not see him except in reruns.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Alexander View Post
    Really, getting knocked out by Jardine, and now he's going to get dominated by Lyoto. Things are not looking good for Forrest.
    Yeah, not to mention the thrashing that Tito gave him.

    He's had a hard road lately.

  22. To my mind, the jury's still out on Arlovski. Athlete, check. Groundgame at the elite level, ?, Standup, more athleticism than skills , great potential if he was trained elsewhere. Aggression,? AA is a big untested by the best question mark.

    Chin, still a question mark. I say this because getting KO'd by Tim Sylvia is not automatically evidence of a weak chin, the one thing that Sylvia does well, really the only thing that made him a champion , is a very hard right cross when at full extension.

    I despise Tim Sylvia as much as anybody, but there's no denying that he's a good one trick range hitter, which is as much a reflection of his size as anything else, and that's pretty much all he is. He's MMA good, not K-1 good.

    On Griffin, he needs to shuck the "Aw shucks, I'm just here to bang out some entertainment" mentality, he needs to adopt a more professional attitude and gameplan from training to right out of the gate, and not wing it on heart with the need to taste blood in his mouth before he gets going.

    He's still raw, his eyes off head ducking after a punch habit that Jardine timed with an uppercut is a correctable one. I think that with more time, and the caveats of maybe a adjusted professionalism and different trainers, he'll be a future player in his division. He's like Nick Diaz, tough and resilient in crisis and that's something that really can't be taught. They also say that he has a great work ethic, which will often take one much further than slacking pure talent, Mr. Penn.

  23. Griffin's out with a staph infection. Here's the card.

    Mirko Filipovic (Pictures) vs. Gabriel Gonzaga (Pictures)
    Michael Bisping (Pictures) vs. Elvis Sinosic (Pictures)
    Andrei Arlovski (Pictures) vs. Fabricio Werdum (Pictures)
    Assuerio Silva (Pictures) vs. Cheick Kongo (Pictures)
    Matt Grice vs. Terry Etim
    Junior Assuncao vs. David Lee (Pictures)
    Victor Valimaki (Pictures) vs. Alessio Sakara (Pictures)
    Dennis Siver vs. Jess Liaudin (Pictures)
    Edilberto Souza De Oliveira vs. Paul Taylor
    Ryoto Machida (Pictures) vs. TBA

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jas123 View Post
    Griffin's out with a staph infection. Here's the card.

    Mirko Filipovic (Pictures) vs. Gabriel Gonzaga (Pictures)
    Michael Bisping (Pictures) vs. Elvis Sinosic (Pictures)
    Andrei Arlovski (Pictures) vs. Fabricio Werdum (Pictures)
    Assuerio Silva (Pictures) vs. Cheick Kongo (Pictures)
    Matt Grice vs. Terry Etim
    Junior Assuncao vs. David Lee (Pictures)
    Victor Valimaki (Pictures) vs. Alessio Sakara (Pictures)
    Dennis Siver vs. Jess Liaudin (Pictures)
    Edilberto Souza De Oliveira vs. Paul Taylor
    Ryoto Machida (Pictures) vs. TBA
    I hope they get someone decent to fight Lyoto. If they get Pointon to fight him I f*cking quit! I'll be very pleased if Spike plays the top 4 fights and Lyoto's fight. I have a feeling Assuerio is gonna destroy Kongo. Sinosic, just why?

  25. Man, what a sh*tty ass card, besides the CroCop and Arlovski fights.

    See, that's what I love about Pride- just about every one of their matches on a given card is compelling. At least, much more so than 90% of UFC cards.
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