UFN discussion thread

[jas123]

Well, it's here, UFN 8. I saw a comercial on Spike showing the Herring kiss incident. Another bit of info is that Price wieghed in a 7 freakin' lbs over weight for his fight against Short Fuse. Not that it matters since Herman is the real deal Somehow I overlooked the Fisher-Franca fight. This is a great fight that is hard to pick IMO.

picks
Rashad
Herring
Fisher by TKO late round (Franca can be a slow starter)
Marquardt by decision
Herman
Burkman
Clay
Clementi

[Alexander]

Yes, Short fuse is the real deal. I agree with you on 5 out of 8. I'm picking Price to beat Herman, Thomas over Clay, and the british bomber to beat Rich Clementi. I think I'm actually looking forward to Couture on Joes vs the Pros more than UFN8. Everybody make sure to keep it tuned to Spike for Joes vs Pros after the fights!

[jas123]

I wasn't too impressed with Price against Grove. Even if he wins, his victory will be tainted by the weight issues. Herman told Price at the weigh in, "You're not getting off that easy" after he didn't make weight. What a clown.

The more I think about Rich C ain't that great so that one is a toss up.

[MisterEZE]

I have a feeling Rashad will show up in a big way tonight. After finishing Lambert...tons of confidence! This guy is the real deal in my book. That said...

Rashad
Herring
Franca
Marquardt
Herman
Burkman
Guida
Clementi

Not too impressive of a card overall. Potential for a lot of snoozers. Marquardt/Lister is not going to be a great fight. Herman has too much riding on this fight so I'll bet he plays it safe = boring. Burkman should put on a good show. Franca/Fisher will be fight of the night.

[Alexander]

0-3 so far, I wonder if I can go 0-8. If you'd like to win some money bet me on MMA!

[Rodja]

Holy head kick...I did not see that coming by Rashad. Hell of a KO.

[Alexander]

Hope Salmon is O.K. That looked pretty bad. The 1 and a half shots after the kick didn't help.

[papa G]

Herring just got owned!

[Alexander]

Herring just got owned!

Yup, and his excuses afterwards were BS. His career looks to be taking a Mir-like turn for the worse.

[Mulletsoldier]

No kidding, I felt personally slighted with the complete lack of effort by Herring. Did anybody expect that from Evans? I didn't even know he was capable of a RHK, let alone able to execute such as he did.

Herman over Price was a slick sub. I still refuse to admit he has talent just because he told me he does on TUF.

[Beowulf]

Man, that Herring fight was depressing. His ground game was utterly pathetic. What the hell was that? He looked better against Crocop, Fedor and Nog. I really hope this was just a matter of succumbing to pressure and/or underestimating his opponent. How many shots does it take every time you throw to finally realize maybe you should follow up with a knee.

Salmon actually did well in the first, though his standup looked pretty bad. I was really impressed with Rashad's ability to stand up straight from Salmon's side control, although Salmon's hips did appear to be way too high in that position.

Overall, not bad for a free night of fights. Franca didn't look pretty, but he was effective as hell. I never thought he'd win it like that. It'll be interesting to see how he fairs with Sherk (we all know Savage's thoughts here). Franca also seems too active and high in top positions making it impossible to maintain control. If he ever actually ends up on top of Sherk (not likely), Sherk will sweep him easily.

[Alexander]

Even I have to admit that Sherk would whoop Franca.

[Guest]

Man, that Herring fight was depressing. His ground game was utterly pathetic. What the hell was that? He looked better against Crocop, Fedor and Nog. I really hope this was just a matter of succumbing to pressure and/or underestimating his opponent. How many shots does it take every time you throw to finally realize maybe you should follow up with a knee.

Salmon actually did well in the first, though his standup looked pretty bad. I was really impressed with Rashad's ability to stand up straight from Salmon's side control, although Salmon's hips did appear to be way too high in that position.

Overall, not bad for a free night of fights. Franca didn't look pretty, but he was effective as hell. I never thought he'd win it like that. It'll be interesting to see how he fairs with Sherk (we all know Savage's thoughts here). Franca also seems too active and high in top positions making it impossible to maintain control. If he ever actually ends up on top of Sherk (not likely), Sherk will sweep him easily.

He took a dive on purpose. His contract was bought out. He did not chose to go to the UFC. This is probably the only way of a UFC contract...a poor showing.

This dude went toe to toe with some sick Bjj black belts in the past. He was a white belt tonight.

[Dr Liftalot]

In the UFC your not allowed to knee a downed opponent. But thats still no excuse for that lack luster job, the rest of the fights happened as i expected. Though I thought Herm would have won by submission. Other then the let down herring put up, I'd like to comment on how nicely placed that head kick was. Rash really has improved his stand-up. I remember thinking HEAD KICK HEAD KICK HEAD KICK and then BOOM.

Overall pretty good UFN

[size]

Herring looked terrble. Honestly, it was as if he had only trained jujitsu for a week as he would just lay on his back and never even tried for sweeps or even escaping his hips. Hopefully, he can get it back together b/c he used to be a fun fighter to watch. Only positive thing I can say about him is that for how badly he was dominated, he suffered very little to no damage as it seems he was mostly just held down and hit with poor strikes.

Evans vs Salmon was entertaining. To me Salmon easily controlled the first round and looked solid. However, his stand up is rather awkward and needs to improve. Evans kick was very nice and really solid. I read today that Salmon was talking and seemed alright but was still going to the hospital to be observed.

Franca needs to improve his striking. He may have won but it is to sloppy. A quick straight puncher will land right down the middle on counters if Franca continues to throw those big open hooks.


One thing that conitnues to bother me in UFC, NO LEG KICKS! Evans should have kicked and kicked Salmon in his lead leg. Herring should have done the same thing. This really bothers me as it is a great technique that causes damage and really slows down the opponent. Only guy lately I see using them in UFC is GSP and look how well that worked.

[PastorofMuppets]

Although Evans head kick was impressive, I think that the only reason that he landed it was due to the element of surprise.

Question: Has evans EVER thrown a head kick before?

Now people will be looking for it, but damn that had some force behind it.

[jas123]

That was a sad performance by Herring. Mike Sloan from Sherdog actually called it, but I thought he was crazy. Herring looked like he hadn't trained in sprawling, wrestling, or jiu-jitsu. Pathetic and his "stand up so I can win now" attitude made him look worse.

Hermes' standup looked wilder than I remember it being. He's good but will lose to Sherk as others have said.

Herman's sub was pretty nice, but his take down looked weak as they have in the past. He'll get beat by a decent B level guy.

Rashad looked almost Crocop-like with that kick. That was great. I'd like to see him take on Tito next or maybe Babalu. Glads he's become more exciting. Salmon's wrestling looked pretty good.

How many times did they mention Nog last night? I wonder if they're trying to woo him away. They started mentioning Page a lot before they acquired him. Anyone see Marquardt-Lister or have a link? Sounds like Nate dominated.

[Beowulf]

He took a dive on purpose. His contract was bought out. He did not chose to go to the UFC. This is probably the only way of a UFC contract...a poor showing.

This dude went toe to toe with some sick Bjj black belts in the past. He was a white belt tonight.

I sorta hope that is true, b/c I always liked Herring in PRIDE. Win or lose, I hated seeing him looking like a chump who had never fought on the ground before.

There is a post-fight interview at ufc.com where he talks about having a torn MCL, ring rust, and the loss of knees to the head of a downed opponent as factors that detracted from his performance.

That fight was wrestling at its worst. Almost nothing was thrown, and Heath claims the cut was from an accidental headbutt. The one thing Heath showed was good RNC defense.

Could he have set a record for most times being mounted without being finished

[Beowulf]

Franca will definitely get dominated by Sherk with that standup. I saw part of the Sherk/GSP fight last night on Unleashed, and while GSP clearly won, Sherk's standup looked pretty damn good, especially considering the reach disparity.

Hey Size, I think the lack of leg kicks by Herring may be due to the knee problem. I think he said he could only kick with his weaker leg. Salmon was definitely wide open for leg kicks. His lead leg is way out in front.

[Dr Liftalot]

Franca will definitely get dominated by Sherk with that standup. I saw part of the Sherk/GSP fight last night on Unleashed, and while GSP clearly won, Sherk's standup looked pretty damn good, especially considering the reach disparity.

Hey Size, I think the lack of leg kicks by Herring may be due to the knee problem. I think he said he could only kick with his weaker leg. Salmon was definitely wide open for leg kicks. His lead leg is way out in front.

Honestly Franca will get taken down and then sub Sherk. His Jujitsu game is way out of Sherks league. Don't get me wrong like the shark, just think he has a style that leaves him open to be subbed.


Styles make a fight


Dr liftalot