Fedor... Best MMA Fighter of All Time?
- 01-14-2007, 01:00 PM
- 01-14-2007, 02:42 PM
- 01-14-2007, 02:56 PM
01-14-2007, 03:06 PM
I just think it wise to wait and see how Fedor's career ends before we start calling him the greatest of all time, though. Somebody could come along and expose some serious chinks in his armor, ya' never know.
01-14-2007, 03:14 PM
01-14-2007, 03:19 PM
Yes...end of discussion. His only "loss" was due to an illegal elbow that caused a cut in the opening minute. He has beaten everyone and there has never been a time where there was a discussion about the decision.
01-14-2007, 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Rodja
To my knowledge and watching the fight first hand online it was a punch that cut Fedor's eye open. Part of TK's secret weapon moves, and his special tk guard. LoL:clean:
01-14-2007, 03:29 PM
Yes. I think the only person who has a remote chance of challenging, or even causing discussion in this area, in the near future is GSP. I realize that might be a brash statement, or far too early to make it, but few in MMA right now have faced as many quality opponents available to them within their first 13 Fights. If GSP can go the rest of his career without a loss (hard thing to do, obviously) I would consider comparing the two.
01-14-2007, 03:41 PM
He went for a right cross and hit Fedor with his elbow. Instead of ruling it a NC, they made TK the winner because it was a tournament.Originally Posted by Dr Liftalot
01-14-2007, 03:51 PM
Yup, complete BS to have that as a loss on Fedor's record. We all know the truth, so who cares.Originally Posted by Rodja
01-14-2007, 03:53 PM
Right on, anything is possible. I think he'll end his career the way he does everything else, with a huge amount of class and wisdom.Originally Posted by Sir Savage
01-14-2007, 03:56 PM
This friggin canadian guy is gonna bring up GSP of course. Why don't you go shape up your mullet JK of course, GSP has a long way to go to catch Fedor, but he has huge potential so we'll see. As of right now, Fedor is the GOAT by a good margin.Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
01-14-2007, 03:57 PM
HAHAOriginally Posted by Alexander
I knew someone was going to say that. Yeah, nobody is even remotely close in my opinion, I just think is GSP continues on the path he is on now we may have to discuss it in 5-7 years type thing.
01-14-2007, 06:50 PM
It's good to see so many knowledgable people in MMA who have quality posts, unlike other sites **coughsherdogcough**
01-14-2007, 07:47 PM
Yeah, you'll like it hear, plenty of knowledge and very few obnoxious posts. There is one old guy that posts here from time to time that knows nothing, his name is Rogue Drone Just ignore him.Originally Posted by CryingEmo
01-14-2007, 09:13 PM
01-14-2007, 10:25 PM
Yeah, I can "hear" you, +1 for the Roguester. I think I'm going scenile every time you post. Please tell me you regularly come back and edit your posts a couple minutes after posting. Your posts always seem to change slightly the second time I read them.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
01-14-2007, 10:28 PM
I may have to change my name to Alexandrovich, I like that. I'm surprised you didn't go with JLB seeing as that you have a hammock hanging from his nuts where you reside.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
01-14-2007, 10:42 PM
Alright cool I've got this one quoted so you can't mildly/discreetly change your post and make me think I'm going nuts. Where will you move your luxurious retirement villa when JLB retires soon? Perhaps Bonjaskyville will be a nice place to stay for a while.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
01-14-2007, 10:43 PM
01-14-2007, 11:00 PM
Muscle Sharkdom is the ****.
It's getting ready to conquer Fishertown, Guillardsville, and Francasburg with ease.
01-14-2007, 11:19 PM
Loch Pulver would get PULVERized (bwahahaha!- ahem), Gomi Prefecture would not be able to handle the blitzkrieg attack that Muscle Sharkdom is known for, but Penn Islet could very well repel the attacks.
In fact, Penn Islet could be a major problem area.
01-14-2007, 11:30 PM
01-14-2007, 11:40 PM
Seriously?? Dude, I live in Kennesaw. I didn't know that you lived here. I workout at KSU all the time these days. My daily commute is nowhere, though, since I telework for Avant Labs.
But parts of Cherokee have been annexed, too.
01-14-2007, 11:56 PM
Indeed. History repeats itself.
Let's hope this time it turns out a little better for the Romans, though.
01-15-2007, 12:05 AM
Yeah, I havn't seen the Grandprix this year, havn't really followed K-1 for a good year now. It is a mystery to me how Leko is so good. I'm sure you can break that down for me. Schilt city seems like a good place to stay. I need to start paying attention to K-1, has Schilt fought Choi, if so who won, if not who do you think would win?Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
01-15-2007, 12:07 AM
01-15-2007, 12:39 AM
Nice info, thanks. It seems like JLB would be perfect to destroy Schilt and especially Choi. I havn't seen him fight for over a year, I'm assuming he is on his way out. What's up with Alexey Ignashov, Sefo, any young cats coming up? Someone needs to KO these giants.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
01-15-2007, 12:22 PM
To anyone besides Rogue and Savage that voted no or maybe please explain yourself. In my book the second best MMA fighter of all time is really far behind Fedor, whoever that might be, Nog, Wandy?
01-15-2007, 01:10 PM
lol at Rogue, Alex and Savage. This is one hillariously off-topic thread.
I'd put Fedor at the greatest of all-time. He's too well rounded and mentally strong (although, the Hunt fight was a little wierd). I'd still like to see him fight Barnett, Crocop again, and kharitonov and for some reason Sapp just to see how he handles him.
Here's my question. Is Fedor 2002-06 in Pride more impressive than Silva 2000-04 in Pride (Pride 10 up to Rampage II, we'll leave out the Hunt fight)? They were both undefeated in these times. The competition seems to have caught up to Wandy at least to some extent in recent years. The same thing could happen to Fedor this year and next. It seems that MMA is a sport that takes a toll on the competitors and maybe it's somewhat impossible to stay on top for more than a few years. Who knows? As Rogue said, it's a young sport and more greats will come.
01-15-2007, 01:14 PM
Really? I haven't seen too much of Leko, but I remembering him ktfo Aerts hard.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
It seems like a lot of the same big names have been around for many years in K-1.
01-15-2007, 02:14 PM
I like your list of future Fedor opponents, looks perfect to me. I'd love to see how he would handle Sapp. Wand obviously has had a great career, but IMO he faced much easier competition than Fedor. Fedor fought Schilt, Herring, Nog, Fujita, Goodridge, Coleman, Randleman, Ogawa, Noguiera, Mirko, Coleman II, and Hunt, almost all top 10 HW when he fought them. Wand fought Mezger,Henderson, Saku, a good amount of cans, Saku 2 more times, Yoshida twice, Rampage twice, Arona twice, Nakamura, Hunt, Fujita, and then a devastating loss to Mirko. Not to mention losing to Vitor and Tito early in his career, and a legitimate loss to Arona which he did redeem(sort of). Both great fighters, but Fedor is perfection so far.Originally Posted by jas123
I noticed you said up until Rampage II. That makes it a closer call, but Wand did have those early losses to Vitor and Tito which is a major blemish. I think Wand is top 5 all time(13-14 years)though.
01-15-2007, 02:16 PM
For the new guy that started the thread, we are not normally crackheads, we usually stay on topic, please don't run away.
01-15-2007, 04:17 PM
Yeah, I really meant just his Pride fights after the Ortiz loss. Trying to compare two eras in fighters careers (Fedor has no doubt had a better career).Originally Posted by Alexander
Legitimate victories: Mezger, Henderson, Saku x 3, Yoshida, Rampage x 2
ehh victories: Kondo
Cans: Oyama, Otsuka, Tamura, Iwasaki, Kanehara, Minowa
Other : NC to Yvel, draw to CC that is more of a victory but CC was new to MMA
Legitimate Victories: Schilt, Herring, Nog x 2, Crocop, Hunt, Coleman I, Randlaman, Fujita, TK
ehhh victories: Coleman II
Cans: Valavicius (Rings 2003), Goodridge, Nagata, Ogawa, Zulu
Other: NC to Nog
Not sure if Fujita, Randleman, TK belong at Legit Victories or ehh victories at those points in their careers?
01-15-2007, 06:14 PM
Nog*************************** ***Originally Posted by jas123
Legit Victories: Coleman, Herring, Sapp, Schilt, Crocop, Herring again, Kharitonov, Nastula, Werdum, Barnett
ehhh victories: Goodridge, Rico(draw imo), Hendo
Cans: Kikuta, Yokoi, Tamura, Zulu, Enson
Other: 2 losses to Fedor, 1-1 with Barnett, plus a few decent wins in Rings before Pride.
*One thing about Nog is that a lot of wins are not decisive like Wand/Fedor. Ricco, Kharitonov, Werdum, and Barnett were all pretty much draws imo.
01-16-2007, 11:14 AM
Yeah, Nog got desroyed even in some of his victories. He's the toughest SOB out there. He's up there career-wise, though.Originally Posted by Alexander
Do you think that there were top MW fighters in the Wand era who weren't getting a shot at him? Overeem and Lil Nog were pretty new. Arona and Randleman only had a few fights as well and got beat by Rampage.
01-16-2007, 12:40 PM
Not that I can think of. The HW division IMO was just a little bit deeper then the MW's.Originally Posted by jas123
I can't believe as of right now only 56% of the people that voted think Fedor is the best MMA fighter of all time. I'd love for them to chime in with whom might be better. Liddell, Couture, Hughes, they're great, but come on now.
01-16-2007, 10:24 PM
ajfrfghtr, firefighter2032, lifter2005, Rogue Drone
Need to be doin' some good ol' fashion justificatin'
01-16-2007, 10:29 PM
Rogue is either scenile or most likely completely joking. As for the other 3, my guess is they've seen very little of Pride and most likely MMA altogether. That mini insult might engage them to do some justificatin.Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
01-16-2007, 10:49 PM
Nearest I can tell Rogue thought this was a poll on Apple Sauce, and whether it is good with sprinkled cinnamon sugar or not.
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