Pride Final Conflict
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Beowulf
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All I can say is Crocop has become a GnP machine. It looks like each time he starts throwing the hammer fist he is avenging his loss to Randleman. I've never seen anyone use it so much, and so effectively. It looks like Crocop just entered a new phase of his career, and he is very scary.
Only downside was all the eye poking. Barnett confirmed that he did get poked in the eye unintentionally.
Only downside was all the eye poking. Barnett confirmed that he did get poked in the eye unintentionally.
size
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Not sure what anyone said during the fight b/c I watched it in Japanese but here was my take.
Aleks looked leaner for this fight and his hands were very fast.
Crocop dominated Silva and had a plan. He kicked a few liver shots to get Silva's hands to drop and threw the high kick which connected. Silva was out and had a cut opened from the kick on the side of his head.
Crocop ability to sprawl is strong(obviously). Barnett was on the receiving end of ALOT of punches from Crocop that went unanswered. Barnett was tough to take all of those. The final punch from Crocop left Barnett in alot of pain. Hopefully his eye is not too badly damaged.
Aleks looked leaner for this fight and his hands were very fast.
Crocop dominated Silva and had a plan. He kicked a few liver shots to get Silva's hands to drop and threw the high kick which connected. Silva was out and had a cut opened from the kick on the side of his head.
Crocop ability to sprawl is strong(obviously). Barnett was on the receiving end of ALOT of punches from Crocop that went unanswered. Barnett was tough to take all of those. The final punch from Crocop left Barnett in alot of pain. Hopefully his eye is not too badly damaged.
jas123
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Silva was in trouble when his right eye closed, and, damn, Mirko punches HARD.
Closed right eye + CC LHK = KTFO. He probably didn't see that kick coming. Crocop's GnP looked great, and I'm happy for him. I have thought that he's the guy that can beat Fedor for a while, but "can" and "will" are two different things......
I haven't seen Arona vs. Overeem or Kharitonov vs. Aleksander yet. What did you guys think about these fights?
Closed right eye + CC LHK = KTFO. He probably didn't see that kick coming. Crocop's GnP looked great, and I'm happy for him. I have thought that he's the guy that can beat Fedor for a while, but "can" and "will" are two different things......
I haven't seen Arona vs. Overeem or Kharitonov vs. Aleksander yet. What did you guys think about these fights?
jas123
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The Manhoef/Cyborg match was on the youtube a while back so anyone can check that one out. One writer referred to Cyborg as being one step to the left of Silva on the evolutionary scale. That made me laugh.
Thanks for the link, Size. I've got the whole event just haven't had time to watch it yet.
So the new HW rankings are
Fedor
Crocop
Barnett
Nog
??????? I feel uncomfortable with Nog at 4th, though.
Thanks for the link, Size. I've got the whole event just haven't had time to watch it yet.
So the new HW rankings are
Fedor
Crocop
Barnett
Nog
??????? I feel uncomfortable with Nog at 4th, though.
Beowulf
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Size I think Aleks drops his left to bait the other guy. I've heard FSN commentators (Glazer and Trigg, I think) criticize Aleks and "not pretty, but gets the job done". For a guy that big, I think he moves really well and has great hands, although he was outclassed by Crocop.
My instructor (friend of wandy and Shogun) actually thinks Shogun is better. Wandy has always had a tendency to get wild. I can't believe he got wild with Crocop. Also, my instructor pointed out that Wandy's greatest weapon is his knees, but he didn't use them in his last two fights.
Wandy didn't look himself at all in that fight. He didn't have that "I'm gonna eat your children" look during the staredown. When he was agressive, he was wildly so. I have to watch it again, but 205 is definitely the weight for him. He is faster with better stamina. I think the deciding factor was Crocop's vicious (and unique) GnP. I've never seen hammer fists used like that so consistently.
My instructor (friend of wandy and Shogun) actually thinks Shogun is better. Wandy has always had a tendency to get wild. I can't believe he got wild with Crocop. Also, my instructor pointed out that Wandy's greatest weapon is his knees, but he didn't use them in his last two fights.
Wandy didn't look himself at all in that fight. He didn't have that "I'm gonna eat your children" look during the staredown. When he was agressive, he was wildly so. I have to watch it again, but 205 is definitely the weight for him. He is faster with better stamina. I think the deciding factor was Crocop's vicious (and unique) GnP. I've never seen hammer fists used like that so consistently.
somewhatgifted
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Cro crop " right kick hospital, left kick cemetary"
Cro crop destroyed all in his path, emelianenko got dropped but got back his composure in time to keep his defences up. wold not want to tango with that family. would have been a better fight if barnetts fight wasnt 15 mins as opposed to 5 mins for cro crop. either way it was cro crop in my books by a wide margin he looked very strong. couldnt believe that wandy actually came in 4 lbs heavoer than cro crop.
Cro crop destroyed all in his path, emelianenko got dropped but got back his composure in time to keep his defences up. wold not want to tango with that family. would have been a better fight if barnetts fight wasnt 15 mins as opposed to 5 mins for cro crop. either way it was cro crop in my books by a wide margin he looked very strong. couldnt believe that wandy actually came in 4 lbs heavoer than cro crop.
somewhatgifted
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Does any one kno what cro crop was saying, he spoke for awhile and the interpreters did not translate....
Alexander
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Sergei gets my vote for the toughest SOB in MMA. Not the best by a good margin, but he has absolutely no quit in him. Shogun looked a little rusty. I cried when Wandy got KO'd. Hey dito, where the h*ll did you come up with Melgares:blink: . Crocop looked pretty untouchable. I'm looking forward to a possible NYE match with Crocop/Fedor. Fedor didn't seem to be able to use his hand much in the first fight. I'd like to see the old wolverine style Fedor GnP. Great event, I'll watch it 3 times this weekBeowulf said:
stxnas
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Alexander said:
I really like him and I definitely winced more than once watching him take all of those unanswered knees to the face. Amazing card overall, but too bad about the eye pokes...Barnett looked like he would have lost anyway. Mirko was simply in the zone and looked like he could thrown those hammer fists all night long. Off to find some of these fights with "Cyborg". That guy looks crazy!
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Shogun's stand-up looked really bad, although his opponent is a world-class Muay Thai fighter. I guess it could be due to ring rust, but I hope the injury doesn't ruin his career. On another note, as good as Overeem is as a striker, he has absolutely no heart and stamina. He has great Muay Thai, but not willing to put in the conditioning needed for MMA.Alexander said:
jas123
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Alexander said:
I hate seeing Wandy lose too. He's a true warrior, but I like Crocop as well and he seems focused and on the top of his game. The Kharitonov fight was hard to watch at the end. I don't understand why he didn't try to get out of that position at the end. I didn't want to see Overeem get beat either, but thought he would. He hasn't quite lived up to the potential I thought that he has.
What did you guys think about the Nog/Barnett decision? I've only watched it once, but it was close. I could see it going either way so I don't have a problem with the decision.
Beo,
Let us know if your instructor has any news on Wandy's condition. Rumors on Sherdog say that he broke a rib early in the fight. He seems to have a lot of problems with his ribs.
Alexander
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I'm with you, it killed me to see him just absorbing all that punishment. I was trying so badly to will him to roll out of that or something, but it didn't pan out. Nog/Barnett was real close. I'd really like to see a 3-5 minute overtime round in those situations, thats obviously tough to do in tournaments. Unfortunately I think Nog's best days are behind him, but I hope I'm wrong.jas123 said:
Beowulf
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Sergei looked rocked when he went down; I think that is why he couldn't mount any offense. I think that half-arsed shoot that put him on the ground was more the result of being rocked than being an actual shoot. He is definitely a tough guy to even be able to attempt a shoot when most would be on their backs, but I think he was seeing stars and unable to bounce back.
I'll definitely ask my instructor about Wandy. I hope his head is ok too. I couldn't go to class yesterday b/c of a meeting, but I should be there on Friday.
I'll definitely ask my instructor about Wandy. I hope his head is ok too. I couldn't go to class yesterday b/c of a meeting, but I should be there on Friday.
Alexander
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He was definitely rocked bad, but he still seemed somewhat coherant. It's as if he likes punishment. I liked how Sergei waved Aleks to bring it and without hesitation Aleks rocks him bad and then Sergei rocked as h*ll still waves him to bring it some more. Tough yes, smart no. Sergei should take a year or two off and come back refreshed.Beowulf said:
Beowulf
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Both, but Muay Thai fits better with my schedule, so I end up training it more. Once I have my new school year routine down I'm gonna try to find more time for BJJ. Classes are at 10am or 8pm, and last 90-120 minutes. 10am is not an option, and 8pm is pretty late considering I wake up at 4-4:30am. The gym is awesome and the instructor is excellent. It is a bit intimidating, though, when he is demonstrating on me...he is from Chute Box :run:size said:
Beowulf
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That's "semi-hiatus boy" to you 
I made a deal with myself: I only read the MMA forum, update products I'm testing, and read the threads I'm already subscribed to through my UserCP. Before it was easy to spend hours lost reading through here. Now I just pop in while I'm eating, unwinding, etc.
I made a deal with myself: I only read the MMA forum, update products I'm testing, and read the threads I'm already subscribed to through my UserCP. Before it was easy to spend hours lost reading through here. Now I just pop in while I'm eating, unwinding, etc.
Beowulf
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Hey Alex, you may want to hold off on too much bag work until you actually have an instructor observing you. It is really easy to pick up bad habits, and once the neuromuscular coordination is strong it may be hard to drop the bad habits. At the very least, try to use a mirror so you can get some sense of if you're dropping your hands. My leg kicks were feeling awkward as hell, but my instructor caught the issue--I was rising up a bit, detracting from the drive forward and taking force off the kick. Little mistakes add up.
Alexander
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I appreciate the advice. I film myself on the bag occasionally, but then again it's just me evaluating it and I don't know jack technically(especially on lower body striking). I don't know if you remember Jimmy Lange from the first season of the contender? He's a few years older then me, but I grew up in the same neighborhood as him and he taught me a good bit about boxing. I really need to get with a good muay thai coach and actually learn something for a change. Maybe I need to do the basketball on the shoulder/bicep trick for keeping up my hands, because they definitely drop often and I don't like getting punched in the face!Beowulf said:
Beowulf
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That is what is great about sparring: you get hit in the face every time you drop your hands. Punches to the face spark a great conditioned responseAlexander said:
Size, the knees are my favorite, and probably what I do best. A series of knees from the clinch is a bit like "skanking", if you're familiar with ska.
jas123
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Here's what Dana had to say about CC vs. Wandy. He implies that Silva doesn't deserve a shot at Chuck after losing to CC. I don't think a heavyweight fight against the #2 guy at HW should effect the title shot and he doesn't really have the talent pool to keep chuck in interesting fights. After Tito, who is there?
Also, there's a new Wandy interview on Sherdog.
Here's what Dana had to say about CC vs. Wandy. He implies that Silva doesn't deserve a shot at Chuck after losing to CC. I don't think a heavyweight fight against the #2 guy at HW should effect the title shot and he doesn't really have the talent pool to keep chuck in interesting fights. After Tito, who is there?
Also, there's a new Wandy interview on Sherdog.
Alexander
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Yeah Wandy doesn't deserve a shot at Chuck, but Vernon White, Jeremy Horn, and Babalu do. What a hilarious joke, like you said Crocop is the #2 HW in the world, so Dana is basically saying if Wand isn't the best fighter in the world (minus Fedor) he doesn't deserve a shot. I guess he's scared Chuck will lose and then he'll have to use Sylvia as his posterboy. Good thinking Dana.