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    UFC 62 Liddell v. Sobral


    I was extremely shocked to see Chuck take out Sobral that easily. I really thought he would have given Chuck more of a hard time than he did.

    On a side note, UFC was still acting like Liddell would be fighting Wanderlei....strange cause all over the net it was said it is off.
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    Babalu appeared to be ready, but he made the fundamental mistake vs. Chuck: he chased him. It was great to see Babalu try to bring it like that, but he is not a Wandy-caliber striker who can unload while staying composed. He fought Chuck's fight, got caught, and it was over. I'm guessing that wasn't Babalu's gameplan. He probably got in there and let the excitement overtake him. I still think Babalu could give Chuck a great fight, but he can't do it standing.
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    That was very, very, disappointing. I had thought Chuck was going to take it, but I had thought for sure Babalu would try for the shoot right away, or at least take it to the fence and go for a take down from there. Like Beo said unless a fighter is a high-calibre striker, trading with Chuck is not wise because if you are not at least warding him off he will go for the kill.
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    Babalu's standup looked bad. Wild dragging punches is no way to fight a standup fighter.

    Were any of the other fights good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    Babalu's standup looked bad. Wild dragging punches is no way to fight a standup fighter.

    Were any of the other fights good?
    Most definitely. He was wildly chasing him w/o connecting on any. I only wish he would have calmed down and at least given Chuck a run for his money, I thought that loss was below Babalu
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    and chuck reigns supreme again....they have to get silva over for this fight! if chuck beats him too its done and no one can doubt him again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump
    and chuck reigns supreme again....they have to get silva over for this fight! if chuck beats him too its done and no one can doubt him again.
    Not until he redeems himself of the Rampage loss will that be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    Babalu's standup looked bad. Wild dragging punches is no way to fight a standup fighter.

    Were any of the other fights good?
    Hermes Franca didn't look so great the first two rounds (although I had friends arriving at the bar then and was a little distracted), but landed 2 brutal knees to the head and pulled off a sub in the 3rd.

    Kongo looked good. He got caught in an armbar and had a nice escape then scored a KO with a knee to the head if I remember correctly.

    Diaz/Neer was pretty weak until Diaz pulled off a nice Kimura. Diaz was landed weak love taps just trying to score with the judges but doing very little damage.

    Not sure if that was Babalu's game plan but that was disappointing. He was in trouble right away and hanging by a thread for the last 30 seconds.
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    All the fights were good aside from the two main events. Alot of action in each all ending in subs or TKOs. Much better than UFC 61.
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    Probably wont stay up for long but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougMan
    Probably wont stay up for long but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jas123
    Kongo looked good. He got caught in an armbar and had a nice escape then scored a KO with a knee to the head if I remember correctly.

    Diaz/Neer was pretty weak until Diaz pulled off a nice Kimura. Diaz was landed weak love taps just trying to score with the judges but doing very little damage.
    Kongo also called out Frank Mir. Mir was looking much leaner, not that we could see much with jeans and a T-shirt on. Possibility of a good fight, regardless. I like Mir. I hope he gets his sh1t together. Kongo seems to be a solid striker. I wonder if he'll eventually pose a threat to Sylvia.

    As for Diaz/Neer, that was an annoying fight. Neer is definitely a solid fighter, but he just covered up and took shots, and he wasn't covering up well. Diaz' punches were so weak, and Neer is tough, so I don't understand why Neer didn't just walk through the love taps and unload w/ some solid combos, as opposed to the occassional haymaker that obviously didn't work for him.

    I recorded it, so I'll have to watch the whole thing again. I was pretty hammered last night
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    BTW, anyone think Hendo vs Chuck has the potential to be a great fight if it were to ever happen? Chuck outweighs him, but Dan has done really well fighting up a weight class. He was eventually demoralized by Wandy, but it was still a great fight. I figure Dan's chin is good, and his wrestling is probably better than most guys out there. He has the big right, too, but he does get a bit wild at times.

    Hendo vs Tito could be good, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    BTW, anyone think Hendo vs Chuck has the potential to be a great fight if it were to ever happen? Chuck outweighs him, but Dan has done really well fighting up a weight class. He was eventually demoralized by Wandy, but it was still a great fight. I figure Dan's chin is good, and his wrestling is probably better than most guys out there. He has the big right, too, but he does get a bit wild at times.

    Hendo vs Tito could be good, too.
    I don't think Hendo is quite what he used to be. Not just based on his loss to Misaki, but over the last few years he has seemed to decline slightly. I think he would lose to Tito or Chuck, but Dan is a tough SOB and fights to the level of his opponent. Anyways, last night was pretty good, better then I expected. I liked that last prelim fight they showed. I forget the guys names, but the red haired guy was on top and was getting rolled and transitioned into a nasty side choke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander
    Anyways, last night was pretty good, better then I expected. I liked that last prelim fight they showed. I forget the guys names, but the red haired guy was on top and was getting rolled and transitioned into a nasty side choke.
    I agree that the PPV was pretty good in comparison to some others in the past year. That last fight was a great way to end the show. I can't remember the red head's name either, but he seemed to be pretty polished though...that or the other guy was just that bad.

    Oh, and I don't care if he's slipping or not, but I love to watch Henderso fight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander
    I don't think Hendo is quite what he used to be. Not just based on his loss to Misaki, but over the last few years he has seemed to decline slightly. .
    I agree. Hendo's looked off in a number of his more recent fights like with Kondo and Rogerio. Even though Rogerio is great and bigger, Hendo didn't put up the fight I think he can. His conditioning seems to be questionable often. I love Hendo, though and want to see him back on top. However, I don't get why people think that he gave Wandy such a tough fight. Aside from the brief knockdown, Wnady was in control the whole time.

    Kongo fills a much needed gap in the HW div. Just think about Arlovski vs. Kongo. That could be great. Mir did look a lot thinner in through the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jas123
    Mir did look a lot thinner in through the face.
    thats cuz he got off the dbol adrol stack lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    I don't like Chuck Liddell. Never have, he's the big Frog in the small pond that's poked too many people in the eye with everyone tells him he's King****, I say go and fight in Japan at Pride and/or K1, fight the level of competition that Wandy does, then he and his fans can claim the title of "World's Best".

    The Tim Sylvia story, to a lesser degree, he is a better fighter, and probably a man, than Sylvia.

    Going back to Pride aside,let him do what what Wandy did in fighting Henderson and Cro Cop, soon for the second time, fight Franklin and Arlovski.

    Why does it matter? In my own insignificant way, I'll add my voice to the call for the UFC to fight Pride, and maybe in a tiny way help to see it happen.

    How do you beat Liddell? You make him come to you, Tito is going to be practicing a backstep, shell and shoot in preperation, I think a smart Ortiz has a good chance of winning, unless Chuck pokes him the eye, again. No, that's not the reason Ortiz lost, but Liddell is a dirty fighter.
    LOL!
    Chuck could win his next 10 fights and im sure your "unbiased" opinion would still consider him to be 2nd tier.

    To call him a dirty fighter, and say he poke Ortiz in the eye

    Anyone home in that head of yours?

    Wow the internet brings out some of the most baseless crap opinions I have ever heard. And it never ceases to amaze me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris
    LOL!
    Chuck could win his next 10 fights and im sure your "unbiased" opinion would still consider him to be 2nd tier.

    To call him a dirty fighter, and say he poke Ortiz in the eye

    Anyone home in that head of yours?

    Wow the internet brings out some of the most baseless crap opinions I have ever heard. And it never ceases to amaze me.
    Chuck is known for his eye-poking, but it has gotten a little rediculous with so many people pointing to this as the reason that he wins. If he had the hand-eye coordination to poke a moving fighter in the eye with his thumb, then that only shows how accurate his punches will be. I would favor Chuck against any LHW except for Wandy and Shogun.
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    Of course you cant say Chuck is the best in the world until the UFC has the best fighters in the world. It doesnt.

    Chuck has a great chance against ANY 205'er out there right now.
    He is one of the greatest strikers in MMA, has very few holes in his game, and could be a champion in any League, Pride or UFC.

    And yes Chuck is very good at poking people in the eye with a closed fist.
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    wow thats funny i can just picture chuck practicing that in sparring sessions. it does look like there is intent to gouge. I still like chuck tho but he needs to fight rampage, shogun and vandi
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    So you are saying he intentionally pokes eyes? You sure are implying that by calling him dirty. And saying he intentionally does that is 100% baseless crap. Well its based on your irrational dislike for the guy. You must be a Tito fanboy. That explains it. Tito fanboys are as classless as Yankees and Lakers fans.
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    Once is an accident, twice is bad training, third and on is either intentional or criminally negligent technique, the results the same, the repeated use of a dangerous and forbidden street technique, dirty.

    I'm a Pride Nuthugger, not a Tito Fanboy. Irrational is the namecalling you use, not suprising for someone into Walker worship, rationale is the reasons I've stated why Liddell is not the best until he fights the best.

    Believe it or not, I've told other fighters what I thought of there conduct and pronouncements. I would/will say the same to Liddell if and when I see him in Vegas. I state it rationally without aggression, there choice on how they take it, it's a fan's right if not abusive and I'm a fighter too, this dog is uncowered by anyone.

    You can have the last word, your need for childishly churlish noncontribution satisfied until the next unreasoned outburst spews forth to add nothing but noise from the ranks of been said a thousand times before and usually said better.
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    Against White he caved in his orbital socket, but that was from a punch directly on the eye. Open finger gloves make the eye susceptible to injury. Chuck is not the only one to ever have a fight change because of an eye-poke, either. Vitor/Randy II ended because of a cut on the eyelid, although it should have been an NC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    Vitor/Randy II ended because of a cut on the eyelid, although it should have been an NC.
    Thanks, now I'm going to have that picture in my head the rest of the day. That was one nasty cut!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris
    classless as Yankees and Lakers fans.
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    I don't know about White or Horn. I haven't seen any evidence on those and would say that Chuck just dominated them. I thought that he just caved in White's orbital socket as Rodja said. He definitely poked Randy and Tito. The video of Tito is clear evidence of it. You can't tell me that's not intentional. I noticed on one of his punches on Babalu that he appeared to have his thumb out, but he was going to TKO Babalu anyway, and I didn't see an actual poke.

    Intentionally poking someone in the eye is about as low as it gets and puts Chuck in the same class as Keith Hackney. Gerard Gordeau blinded someone in one eye from poking it, and we don't need that again.
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    Its a F@$king Fight! Criminally Negligent LOL! WOW.
    Why dont the refs warn him if its such a problem? I think you are just over blowing a few incidents. Randy Couture even said its part of the sport and it happens.

    And Walker is a joke, as is your obsession with hating Liddell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    If you are a homer thats one thing. But I have seen people from the midwest that cheer for the Yankees and Lakers. That just shows low class bandwagon disease.
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    lol, doesn't bother me. grew up a yankees fan in VA. as for liddell, he's a great fighter and accidents do happen. as cnorris pointed out, if it were such a concern, a bigger deal would have been made about it. so far, the only naysayers are anti-liddell fanatics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripped218
    Not until he redeems himself of the Rampage loss will that be true.
    As much as I like Rampage right now I don't think he could beat Chuck. I've been around both in person in Lemoore at the WEC fights. Very nice people in person when there away from the autograph seekers. Rampage sat with me and my friends and I kept thinking I know that guy from somewhere. DUHHHH
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    A little bit different subject but did anyone hear them mention Rampage and Pride at the last UFC PPV? I thought I heard them discussing this, but I was at a loud bar and couldn't fully hear. It would be odd considering how they've made an effort to refer to Pride as "fighting in Japan" and not name any non-UFC stars like Rampage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mp5man1
    As much as I like Rampage right now I don't think he could beat Chuck. I've been around both in person in Lemoore at the WEC fights. Very nice people in person when there away from the autograph seekers. Rampage sat with me and my friends and I kept thinking I know that guy from somewhere. DUHHHH
    Thats because he fought Lindlind in the WEC,who is an extremly boring fighter.Thats Rampages style he has the tendency of fighting at the pace and level of the opponents he is facing,If you have seen the fight with Liddell,it wasn't just a loss but a lesson of whoop assness(haha,made that up)He totally destroyed Chuck.I think we need to see a rematch,which ever way it were to go.That is the only loss he needs to redeem,and probably the worst loss by ass beating he has had.
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    The more I watch these things the more I appreciate good submission skills and the ability to escape submissions. Not everybody needs to become a knockout artist just to please the crowds. Seems like guys just quit trying to take chuck down since he has such great defense against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripped218
    Thats because he fought Lindlind in the WEC,who is an extremly boring fighter.Thats Rampages style he has the tendency of fighting at the pace and level of the opponents he is facing,If you have seen the fight with Liddell,it wasn't just a loss but a lesson of whoop assness(haha,made that up)He totally destroyed Chuck.I think we need to see a rematch,which ever way it were to go.That is the only loss he needs to redeem,and probably the worst loss by ass beating he has had.
    He fought Lindland in World Fighting Alliance. Styles make fights, I think Rampage would win again if he was in the right mental state.
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    I just watched Liddel vs Ortiz again, and that eye poke was pretty blatant. The worst part about it is that as Tito stepped back and began rubbing his eye (which Liddel had to know was not a reaction to a strike, b/c Chuck's hand was wide open), Chuck unleashed the barrage to finish the fight.

    If it was an accidental eye poke, fine. Tito and Randy were both willing to call it an accident, despite occurring (at least) twice in a short time span. Chuck's bad: be a man and let the guy recover from the illegal blow. Chuck's response is basically the same as finishing a guy after a

    Chuck is a great fighter, but this definitely compromises his champion qualities. Aside from a great sequence at the close of Rd 1, the fight was very close until this point. Tito caught Chuck a few times, and he was fighting Chuck's fight.
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    totally agree beo. i think the next time tito and chuck meet, the outcome will be different, pending tito doesnt get too caught up in his porn star girlfriend Jenna...
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    lol, just like this time would have been different with sobral? chuck will knock tito out again and again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    lol, just like this time would have been different with sobral? chuck will knock tito out again and again.
    hopefully we'll get a chance to see in December.
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    Maybe Liddell is secretly studying JKD where the eye gouge is a nice little tool.
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