AAS and MMA

**Beowulf** · 07-18-2006 02:12 PM

Just curious, how common do you think/know AAS use to be in MMA? I know Tim Sylvia got busted on a drug test a few years ago, and Kerr admitted to use. I find it hard to believe that guys like Shamrock and Coleman aren't using, just based on their age and physiques.

**NO HYPE** · 07-18-2006 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Just curious, how common do you think/know anabolic steroids use to be in MMA? I know Tim Sylvia got busted on a drug test a few years ago, and Kerr admitted to use. I find it hard to believe that guys like Shamrock and Coleman aren't using, just based on their age and physiques.

Used to be? From what I've heard, steroid use is definitely prominent in UFC. Or should I say, prominent in the fighters. I also heard that because of this very reason, they only test on championship tittle matches otherwise a lot of cats would be gettin the boot. I can tell u from personal experience that in the underground or (Non-Televised) MMA events, they don't test for sh*t. :bruce1:

**Nitrox** · 07-18-2006 02:42 PM

Common enough. Kimo, Shamrock, Sherk, and Monson are obvious examples. I wouldnt be surprised if Hughes dabbled in them either.

The lame thing is that like the WWE, 'comic book' physiques make for good TV.

**jas123** · 07-18-2006 02:43 PM

I don't think the UFC wants to test them period, but the Nevada Athletic Commission (or whatever) does it for them. In the early days of the UFC, there were some juiced up monsters from what I've seen.

Ken Shamrock appears to have some gyno. Ivan Salavary and Barnett tested positive. Vitor had admitted to it in the past too.

**NO HYPE** · 07-18-2006 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by jas123

I don't think the UFC wants to test them period, but the Nevada Athletic Commission (or whatever) does it for them. In the early days of the UFC, there were some juiced up monsters from what I've seen.

Ken Shamrock appears to have some gyno. Ivan Salavary and Barnett tested positive. Vitor had admitted to it in the past too.

"Shamrock appears to have gyno".... I love it.

**Rodja** · 07-18-2006 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by jas123

I don't think the UFC wants to test them period, but the Nevada Athletic Commission (or whatever) does it for them. In the early days of the UFC, there were some juiced up monsters from what I've seen.

Ken Shamrock appears to have some gyno. Ivan Salavary and Barnett tested positive. Vitor had admitted to it in the past too.

Salaverry didnt test positive, it was Narquardt but they retested and it was a false positive. When Sylvia tested positive, it was not for a steroid, but for some other banned substance. Shamrock, Coleman, Kerr, and Baroni are probably the best examples of explicit gear use.

**NO HYPE** · 07-18-2006 04:02 PM

I think Baroni uses Superdrol for a multi-v.

**mixedup** · 07-18-2006 04:09 PM

AT the upper levels a bit more prevelant i believe depends on the camp you come out of also. I have fought in Hawaii and California and not been tested. here in cal if you fight on the reservations no one is testing your for sure.

**NO HYPE** · 07-18-2006 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by mixedup

AT the upper levels a bit more prevelant i believe depends on the camp you come out of also. I have fought in Hawaii and California and not been tested. here in cal if you fight on the reservations no one is testing your for sure.

Remember.... Not everyone is from a camp. Is it really that prominent over there? Camps I mean? Does anyone fight solo?

**Beowulf** · 07-18-2006 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by jas123

I don't think the UFC wants to test them period, but the Nevada Athletic Commission (or whatever) does it for them. In the early days of the UFC, there were some juiced up monsters from what I've seen.

Yeah, I just saw Ultimate Knockouts on Spike, and there was a guy, I think his name was Brad Kohler, who was absolutely massive. Huge and thick throughout, with a thick midsection. Looked like a lean powerlifter. No question he was juicing.

On to the next question: Do you think AAS in MMA is ethical?

**Apowerz6** · 07-18-2006 05:20 PM

Ethical BEO? Ethics get in the way of winning, plain and simple. Is it right to have to fight a guy whose is juicing and you are not? Definitly it is, but then you have that right, and if you can win against the juicer, then hey you are great. As I see it its just another enhancement, and enhancements makes people realize they are not equal in talent etc. And not having a level playing field is not PC in todays pussified society.

**NO HYPE** · 07-18-2006 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Yeah, I just saw Ultimate Knockouts on Spike, and there was a guy, I think his name was Brad Kohler, who was absolutely massive. Huge and thick throughout, with a thick midsection. Looked like a lean powerlifter. No question he was juicing.

On to the next question: Do you think anabolic steroids in MMA is ethical?

I think AS usage in MMA is irrelevant. Skill plays a more important factor.

**jas123** · 07-19-2006 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Rodja

Salaverry didnt test positive, it was Narquardt but they retested and it was a false positive. When Sylvia tested positive, it was not for a steroid, but for some other banned substance. Shamrock, Coleman, Kerr, and Baroni are probably the best examples of explicit gear use.

Oops, yeah you're right. That's what I get for believing someone on sherdog.com....

Wandy's admitted to juicing in the past. I wonder what these guys take before a fight besides Xyence of course?

**diminuendo** · 07-19-2006 06:35 AM

I think all pro-athletes juice...curlers, ping-pong, you name it.

**RenegadeRows** · 07-19-2006 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by NO HYPE

I think AS usage in MMA is irrelevant. Skill plays a more important factor.

I agree

**MarcusG** · 07-19-2006 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Rodja

Salaverry didnt test positive, it was Narquardt but they retested and it was a false positive. When Sylvia tested positive, it was not for a steroid, but for some other banned substance. Shamrock, Coleman, Kerr, and Baroni are probably the best examples of explicit gear use.

Not for a steroid? Sylvia tested postive for winstrol. How is winstrol not a steroid.

**Beowulf** · 07-19-2006 10:13 AM

Why would an MMA fighter use winstrol? Training and fighting isn't hard enough on the joints already

**MarcusG** · 07-19-2006 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Why would an MMA fighter use winstrol? Training and fighting isn't hard enough on the joints already

Full Contact Fighter - Sylvia Steroid Situation - October 2003
Because its effects on the joints is blown out of proportion and Sylvia was using it in a stack. He talked about it in an interview which I can't find.

Sylvia caused alot of controversy because he tested positive TWICE for winstrol. The second time he tested positive was immediately right after his suspension about 6-7 months later before UFC47. Apparently the NSAC accepted the reason for the 2nd positive as residual traces from the 1st offense.

**Beowulf** · 07-19-2006 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by MarcusG

Full Contact Fighter - Sylvia Steroid Situation - October 2003
Because its effects on the joints is blown out of proportion and Sylvia was using it in a stack. He talked about it in an interview which I can't find.

Sylvia caused alot of controversy because he tested positive TWICE for winstrol. The second time he tested positive was immediately right after his suspension about 6-7 months later before UFC47. Apparently the NSAC accepted the reason for the 2nd positive as residual traces from the 1st offense.

Thanks for the link.

Either Tim is a complete idiot and took winny cluelessly, or he is full of it and had actually run it recently before the fight.

**Apowerz6** · 07-19-2006 01:59 PM

On a side note I think the effects of AI's, Estro control IN addition to Winny makes nasty sides for your joints. As everytime I think about my lab rat Leon, and his joint pain he runs Adex with Winny on cuts which is a standard in a cut cycle. Those together is what I think makes your joints creak...