AAS and MMA

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822
    i would rather see a bunch of juiced up monsters bashing each others faces in than 170lb non juiced regular joes. performance enhancement simply makes the fights more interesting.
    Your not sayin that everyone in UFC or Pride is juicin are ya?
    Listen I'm not tryin to be a jerk here but could someone tell me how a guy who is juicin has the advantage over a non juicin "regular joe" with better fighting skills. Roids ain't gonna keep a guy from gettin knocked the fu*k out.


  2. AAS use is rampant in MMA. Even some people you don't think are using... Are using. I'm not just talking about Pride (doesn't even test) of UFC either. In alot of these smaller shows across the country there are plenty of fighters on different anabolics. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Its not really creating an "un-level playing field". Its the intangibles that win you a fight not steroids.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    I just saw Shamrock vs. Kimo...both had some gyno kickin, and Shamrock's was raging.
    Which fight of theirs are you referring to? The first or second?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by fbxdan
    Its not really creating an "un-level playing field". Its the intangibles that win you a fight not steroids.
    Right on..... Could not agree with ya more.
    :bruce1:

  5. Quote Originally Posted by fbxdan
    anabolic steroids use is rampant in MMA. Even some people you don't think are using... Are using. I'm not just talking about Pride (doesn't even test) of UFC either. In alot of these smaller shows across the country there are plenty of fighters on different anabolics. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Its not really creating an "un-level playing field". Its the intangibles that win you a fight not steroids.
    How does that make sense? Why do competitors use steroids if it doesn't give them an advantage? Surely it does. Steroids allow fighters to train harder, longer and recover faster and help in recomp and cutting.

    The only reason it wouldn't be be an unlevel playing field is if both competitors who are matched up are both using steroids.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    How does that make sense? Why do competitors use steroids if it doesn't give them an advantage? Surely it does. Steroids allow fighters to train harder, longer and recover faster and help in recomp and cutting.

    The only reason it wouldn't be be an unlevel playing field is if both competitors who are matched up are both using steroids.
    Not all competitors use steroids. Juic'n ain't gonna help u if you are fighting a more skilled opponent. PERIOD. In SOME cases, juicin could be an advantage, but like I've said before.... One has to first FIND an oppertunity.... in order for it to be an advantage. Roids make you stronger, not more skilled.
  7. B4n3 0n3
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    Strength can overcome skill that's why we have weight classes.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by B4n3 0n3
    Strength can overcome skill that's why we have weight classes.
    So when fighting someone more skilled, how is strength gonna stop ya from gettin knocked out?
  9. B4n3 0n3
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    Quote Originally Posted by NO HYPE
    So when fighting someone more skilled, how is strength gonna stop ya from gettin knocked out?
    Simple, grab the guy and put him in a hold. I have gone against better wrestlers than me and if your are strong enough you can go into a defensive style and hold the guy down.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by B4n3 0n3
    Simple, grab the guy and put him in a hold. I have gone against better wrestlers than me and if your are strong enough you can go into a defensive style and hold the guy down.
    How is grabbing a guy and putting him in a hold, simple if the other fighter is more skilled? Don't u actually have to catch the guy first?
  11. B4n3 0n3
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    Quote Originally Posted by NO HYPE
    How is grabbing a guy and putting him in a hold, simple if the other fighter is more skilled? Don't u actually have to catch the guy first?
    Sure you gotta catch him but believe me strength helps alot. If strength had nothing to do with fighting then how come the fighters are muscular? Why aren't they a bunch of skinny dudes that look like marathon runners then? I understand where you are comming from to a certain extent but you gotta face reality here that strength plays a huge role in fighting.

  12. Of course you need both skill and strength. If you are totally lacking in one or the other, then you are ****ed. The pros are not particularly lacking in either one. Steroid is just that extra edge to win.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by B4n3 0n3
    Sure you gotta catch him but believe me strength helps alot. If strength had nothing to do with fighting then how come the fighters are muscular? Why aren't they a bunch of skinny dudes that look like marathon runners then? I understand where you are comming from to a certain extent but you gotta face reality here that strength plays a huge role in fighting.
    I didn't say that strength had nothing to do with fighting. I was comparing srength to skill.

    Now I'm not sayin that I can't lose a fight here cuz nobody is that talented and strength can be a definite advantage if first given the oppertunity, but I am an MMA fighter, so I HAVE faced reality. And reality is.... IF.... the other guy can't put me in a hold or can't connect because my skill level is better than his, than he's either gonna be bleed'n profusley about the mouth, or he's gonna be unconscious. Roids or not!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by NO HYPE
    Not all competitors use steroids. Juic'n ain't gonna help u if you are fighting a more skilled opponent. PERIOD. In SOME cases, juicin could be an advantage, but like I've said before.... One has to first FIND an oppertunity.... in order for it to be an advantage. Roids make you stronger, not more skilled.

    The issue is not whether competitors use steroids.

    Opportunity?? Steroids ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HELP either way whether a competitor is skilled or not. How is being able to train harder and longer and cut more fat not helping? Extra strength is always an advantage whether someone is in a bad or good position.

    Thinking about it I remember you made the odd comment that cutting weight doesn't help much which is bizzare. Cutting weight in boxing/wrestling especially in the lower weight classes is a HUGE advantage. Rich Franklin who walks at 210-215 off-season cuts all the way down to 185.

    The plain and simple fact is that competitors aren't going to risk testing positive for steroids if it isn't going to help them. Size and strength is a big advantage unless someone is simply totally crap and has lousy skills.

  15. There's so many people that think strength is sooo important. They get over here to Bangkok, at a bar, see a fight, offer to get in the ring with a 130lb Thai, and despite their decade of training in the states, get their ass handed to them. It's great fun to watch

  16. yea brad kohler was a tank at HW.
    baroni is v proportioante along with randleman

  17. Quote Originally Posted by MarcusG
    The issue is not whether competitors use steroids.

    Opportunity?? Steroids ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HELP either way whether a competitor is skilled or not. How is being able to train harder and longer and cut more fat not helping? Extra strength is always an advantage whether someone is in a bad or good position.

    Thinking about it I remember you made the odd comment that cutting weight doesn't help much which is bizzare. Cutting weight in boxing/wrestling especially in the lower weight classes is a HUGE advantage. Rich Franklin who walks at 210-215 off-season cuts all the way down to 185.

    The plain and simple fact is that competitors aren't going to risk testing positive for steroids if it isn't going to help them. Size and strength is a big advantage unless someone is simply totally crap and has lousy skills.
    No. The issue here is not wether or not competitors use steroids. The words "Why do you think competitors use steroids" came from your post, not mine. I simply responded.

    No. The issue here is not wether steroids are gonna help someone phisically or not. That fact is pretty friggin obvious. The point that was made was that strength or size is not the determining factor in a fight. I ask you. If strength is ALWAYS an advantage in a fight, than how do u justify it being an advantage when the stronger guy is layin on the mat, knocked the fu*k out?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    I think you guys are pretty much on the same page, in agreement that proper Steroid use + skill is enhancing, and Gear is a poor substitute for real skill and conditioning. The operative word here would be proper, in a nonethical sense.

    The unfair advantage issue aside, the problem with gear in MMA, I believe, is that some of these fighters who I suspect use are doing so improperly, gaining mass for strength that makes less agile and the extra mass bad depletes stamina if done without additional compensatory cardio conditioning or else you gas from oxygen depletion and excess bodily heat. There's also the additional risk of connective tissue injury that's not developed in relation to the new muscle, it's overall better to put in on slower and surer to adjust to than suddenly and not.

    I don't know what these guys are using, I would be using high dose Var and EPO with Rich Franklin's max endurance workout myself and a very strict planned diet,but I'm just a damn cheater, I guess. A smart cheater, though, better living through chemistry.
    Well put.

    Damn. You seem to be doin pretty good on the rep points bro.

    By the way, what camp did you say you come out of?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by NO HYPE
    No. The issue here is not wether or not competitors use steroids. The words "Why do you think competitors use steroids" came from your post, not mine. I simply responded.

    No. The issue here is not wether steroids are gonna help someone phisically or not. That fact is pretty friggin obvious. The point that was made was that strength or size is not the determining factor in a fight. I ask you. If strength is ALWAYS an advantage in a fight, than how do u justify it being an advantage when the stronger guy is layin on the mat, knocked the fu*k out?
    Marcus is clearly saying that with all else being equal, the stronger man has an advantage. He never implied that strength was everything.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Alexander
    Marcus is clearly saying that with all else being equal, the stronger man has an advantage. He never implied that strength was everything.
    All else ain't equal. If all fighters were equal in skill, than there would be no winners. No reason for fighting. The stronger man must first FIND an oppertunity for it to be an advantage.

    And no he didn't imply that strength was everything, he just implied that strength is ALWAYS an advantage and that is bullsh*t.
  21. B4n3 0n3
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    Then how do you explain when the more skilled opponent is laying on the mat knocked the **** out?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by NO HYPE
    No. The issue here is not wether or not competitors use steroids. The words "Why do you think competitors use steroids" came from your post, not mine. I simply responded.

    No. The issue here is not wether steroids are gonna help someone phisically or not. That fact is pretty friggin obvious. The point that was made was that strength or size is not the determining factor in a fight. I ask you. If strength is ALWAYS an advantage in a fight, than how do u justify it being an advantage when the stronger guy is layin on the mat, knocked the fu*k out?
    Well if steroids are rampant in professional sports including prizefighting, then my general statement is correct unless you disagree.

    Your example is flawed since you can't always assume that the guy who knocked him out wasn't on steroids in the first place.

    Bullsh!t? A crappy fighter like Kimo would benefit from anabolic steroids, someone as skilled as Fedor would also benefit from steroids since strength is a primary attribute. Strength, stamina, speed and having a good chin are all primary attributes. To say strength is not a factor doesn't make sense.

    And you haven't responded why training harder, longer, having less fat and having an easier time cutting while on steroids isn't an advantage.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by B4n3 0n3
    Then how do you explain when the more skilled opponent is laying on the mat knocked the **** out?

    Just how did ya come to the conclusion that the guy who gets knocked uncoscious, is the more skilled opponent?
  24. B4n3 0n3
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    Quote Originally Posted by NO HYPE
    Just how did ya come to the conclusion that the guy who gets knocked uncoscious, is the more skilled opponent?
    Well lets say that everybody said so and so was a great skilled fighter with much greater skills than his opponent. And then he loses when he was supposedly the more skilled man. It's just as hypothetical as your scenario really.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    I'm the founder of Team Dagger, on the quest for the most rep points as a stabbing leech who never goes Gold, like my boy Solomon. Yes, Jas and Beo, that is the Spurious Psuedodevil, Alexander knows.

    Team Dagger? the one with kendal from Hawaii? If so Howzit brah. I had my first pro fight out of hawaii in Warriors Quest. I'm coming out of FSA now in SSF we are under Cesar.

    Back to AAS i think it's going to be alot let prevalent now due to the fact kimo got popped and he wasnt' even in a championship fight. NSAC was only testing those involved in Title fights but looks like CSAC is testing whoever it feels like
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