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    Damn, This Guy is a Beast: Rampage Jackson


    Rampage's highlight shows many of the best in MMA at their worst
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    Until Wanderlei owned him...he hasn't been the same since he took all those knees to the head.
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    Damn, I'm still a newb w/MMA, so I only saw bits of the first fight. I can't believe Silva owned him. I saw a few interviews where he talked non-stop shiznit about Wandy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    Damn, I'm still a newb w/MMA, so I only saw bits of the first fight. I can't believe Silva owned him. I saw a few interviews where he talked non-stop shiznit about Wandy.
    Their second fight has one of the best/worst KO's I have ever seen. Wandy knees him from a clinch, lets go, and Rampage falls through the ropes. At least you acknowledge the presence of PRIDE, so don't consider yourself a TUFer. I have only been training for about a year, but it is the funnest and hardest sport out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    The rampage HL reel kicks ass, his and his opponents, Silva put the definition of a KTFO on him after Jackson did the powerslam on Arona in his previous fight.

    The Arona slam was in the same Pride where Randelman supplexed Fedor, Fedor shrugged that neck breaker off like it was nothing, damn, just damn.

    Check out "PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004" sometime, those fights, Sammy Schilt getting pounded bloody and a good fight between Big Nog and Heath Herring., that was a great event.
    I just found about 25 Pride DVD's on Netflix, so I will definitely have some entertainment while I do cardio in the a.m. My neighbors should definitely be frightened when they hear fight announcers going crazy at 5a.m. b/c the volume is cranked to be heard over my loud ass elliptical.
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    You will enjoy Pride. I find it to be much better fights than UFC.

    Jackson is an exciting fighter. He destroyed current UFC champ Liddell. Problem with Jackson is that he ran into Silva.
    Jackson will be fighting Matt Lindland is roughly a month. Should be interesting since Lindland usually fights a t a lower wieght and Lindland has amazing wrestling skills.

    Arona should have never been slammed by Jackson at his level of bjj, the counter is so easy and he probably has done it 1000 times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    I just found about 25 Pride DVD's on Netflix, so I will definitely have some entertainment while I do cardio in the a.m. My neighbors should definitely be frightened when they hear fight announcers going crazy at 5a.m. b/c the volume is cranked to be heard over my loud ass elliptical.
    Ha ha...my eliptical is really loud too and I do the same thing! Anyway, I have had netflix for years now and I have tried to keep up with the Pride DVDs as I feel they are pretty kick ass overall. Critical Countdown 2004 is definitely worth the the rental. I'm pretty sure that it's one disc of a tournament from that year. Check out Pride's website and try and rent them in order. Since you're a newb you probably won't know who is going to win a lot of the matches.
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    Pride is what UFC aspires to. Or at least it should be!
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    Rampage used to be my favorite fighter...it seems ever since he was "born again," he hasn't been the same.
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    Silva knocked it right out of him! That knock out was demoralizing and could have potentially been career ending in a sense that he has not been the same since, jmo.
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    Yeah God can make you Peaceful, But RJ is a beast, as he Liddel has to know that knockout was one of my all time favs. PRIDE is just the best of the WORLD!!! and UFC has great people but not the best in the world... What i would love is Silvia and Fedor... Match in heaven...
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    Rampage suffers from lack of a good training camp. Team Oyama never really helped him that much, it was his sheer talent carrying him through. If he trained consistently with a good team like Quest, MFS, or AMC Pankration he would be hard to beat.

    Thje Lindland fight will be intereting but I see Quinton just overpowering Matt. I don't see Lindland being able to keep Page down and he can't stand with Jackson or he will get hurt. But damn, that WFA card looks great with a lot of great match-ups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    Ha ha...my eliptical is really loud too and I do the same thing! Anyway, I have had netflix for years now and I have tried to keep up with the Pride DVDs as I feel they are pretty kick ass overall. Critical Countdown 2004 is definitely worth the the rental. I'm pretty sure that it's one disc of a tournament from that year. Check out Pride's website and try and rent them in order. Since you're a newb you probably won't know who is going to win a lot of the matches.
    I'm all over it, dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    Yeah God can make you Peaceful, But RJ is a beast, as he Liddel has to know that knockout was one of my all time favs. PRIDE is just the best of the WORLD!!! and UFC has great people but not the best in the world... What i would love is Silvia and Fedor... Match in heaven...
    Come on man, Fedor would beat Sylvia very easily.
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    Maybe he meant Silva/Fedor?

    BTW, did anyone hear of Jerome Le Banner's challenge to Tim Sylvia a few months ago? I really, really hope Le Banner comes to the UFC. How badass would that be??

    I rarely speak in absolutes or so dramatically when it comes to MMA, but Le Banner would demolish Tim Sylvia. And oh, how I would love to see that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage
    Maybe he meant Silva/Fedor?
    I do believe they're in different weight classes though...would have to be an open weight tournament.

    What organization does Le Banner fight in? I don't recall hearing this name...or at least I can't put a face w/it. Is this they guy from K-1? If it is, I really like the guy, but history shows that most K-1 guys don't do so well transitioning into Pride/UFC...of course there are exceptions ala Mirko Cro Cop.
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    Jerome Le Banner fights in K1 and is an excellent and big kickboxer.
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    Okay, I know who that is now. I haven't seen him since he lost to Ernesto Hoost for the K1 championship a few years ago.
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    I had already put Pride "Fists of Fury" at the top of my Netflix. It just came today. 60 min. of cardio went by like nothing. I watched Overeem vs. Nogueira, Jackson vs. Rua, and Crocop vs. Coleman. Jackson vs. Rua was a strange fight. Jackson's talent was still obvious. He had some amazing reversals, etc., but I can see what you guys mean about him not being the same after Silva's knee. He looked nothing like he had looked in the highlight, though he did kick it up in the last 3 min. or so. Regardless, I couldn't believe he got the decision. He said a few words at the end about having limited time to train for the fight; I'm curious to see what happened in the April 2005 tournament.

    Crocop vs. Coleman was a joke. Crocop is a beast! His takedown defense was absolutely amazing. He is definitely one of the best to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    Crocop vs. Coleman was a joke. Crocop is a beast! His takedown defense was absolutely amazing. He is definitely one of the best to watch.
    Another fight to look for would be Silva vs Crop Cop. I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it was a great battle (Pride 20...in my queue now!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage
    Maybe he meant Silva/Fedor?

    BTW, did anyone hear of Jerome Le Banner's challenge to Tim Sylvia a few months ago? I really, really hope Le Banner comes to the UFC. How badass would that be??

    I rarely speak in absolutes or so dramatically when it comes to MMA, but Le Banner would demolish Tim Sylvia. And oh, how I would love to see that.
    UFC and K-1 have some sort of talent swap agreement to let their fighters compete in each organization. They mainly did this for Royce Gracie and BJ Penn, but I think that LeBanner and Sylvia are going to fight at some point.

    Also, on a side note, Brock Lesnar has a contract offer from both the UFC and K-1, but has yet to sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    Okay, I know who that is now. I haven't seen him since he lost to Ernesto Hoost for the K1 championship a few years ago.
    He is probably the best heavyweight kickboxer in the world.

    He recently beat Bonjasky in a K-1 Superfight.
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    Damn, he has some heavy hands. I'd love to see him in Pride or UFC. Frye takes a beating
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    Page is training with Team Punishment... Matt Hamil, Josh Burkman, Kendall, Soloman, Josh Barnett, Ivan Salaverry, Joe Stevenson, Tito of course, and a bunch of other guys up in Big Bear. That should be a hell of a group to make one great camp.

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    Oh yeh... I say Tim takes LeBanner with relative ease. Tim's ground game should be enough to take LeBanner by itself, not to mention that Tim has a granite jaw. He's taken two perfect shots from AA and while both knocked him down, neither knocked him out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHSUStudent
    Page is training with Team Punishment... Matt Hamil, Josh Burkman, Kendall, Soloman, Josh Barnett, Ivan Salaverry, Joe Stevenson, Tito of course, and a bunch of other guys up in Big Bear. That should be a hell of a group to make one great camp.

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    Oh yeh... I say Tim takes LeBanner with relative ease. Tim's ground game should be enough to take LeBanner by itself, not to mention that Tim has a granite jaw. He's taken two perfect shots from AA and while both knocked him down, neither knocked him out.
    LeBanner will destroy Sylvia. He has a ground game (I think he trains with Dean Lister) not to mention a wicked set of hands/feet. Sylvia talks a lot of ****. He called out Fedor once and anyone with more than TUF knowledge knows that Sylvia would last less than a minute with Fedor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    LeBanner will destroy Sylvia. He has a ground game (I think he trains with Dean Lister) not to mention a wicked set of hands/feet. Sylvia talks a lot of ****. He called out Fedor once and anyone with more than TUF knowledge knows that Sylvia would last less than a minute with Fedor.
    I think most would agree about Sylvia vs Fedor, but I had no idea that LeBanner was still around...not to mention that well rounded! He'll definitely know his **** if he trains ground with Lister.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    LeBanner will destroy Sylvia. He has a ground game (I think he trains with Dean Lister) not to mention a wicked set of hands/feet. Sylvia talks a lot of ****. He called out Fedor once and anyone with more than TUF knowledge knows that Sylvia would last less than a minute with Fedor.

    Been watching MMA since mid 90's, no TUF'er here. Fedor would eat Tim yes, but we are talking about LeBanner.

    Perhaps saying Tim wins with relative easy was a bit over the top, but I still pick Tim in that fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone

    Who's the best striker that Sylvia has faced? AA?

    How does AA compare to Hoost, Hunt, Aerts, Bernado, Cro Cop, Hug? Very poorily.

    Not familar with those names?, that's because American fans see guys like Michael McDonald (18% KO rate) and not the events out of Japan and Europe with JLB and his 59% KO rate.
    1) I've never been a huge AA fan, but the guy is a world class striker. (and I know it's cool to hate on AA right now) He is one of the fastest, most athletic, and most accurate fighters in MMA. Credit where credit is due.

    2) Yes, I am familiar with all those names. I don't have any problem with you having an opposing opinion, but please don't assume I'm a "TUF'er" and don't know anything about MMA.

    3) Tim is a Miletich fighter and I have to assume that if he took LeBanner down he would have a significant advantage. I know that Tim strikes in most of his fights, but that does not mean he couldn't alter his gameplan. I think Tim could take him to the ground and if he did I think he would have a good chance to finish him.

    4) Isn't this thread about Rampage? lol

    You guys take a look at the pic on Tito's website? He really is taking those TUF guys under his wing. I think Matt Hamill is going to turn out to be a pretty decent fighter in time if he continues to train with Tito. Can't wait to see how good Matt really is when he fights Jesse.
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    Jerome would beat Tim like a naughty step-child that stole a cookie.

    Viva la Jerome!!
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    I'm learning so much

    BTW, I have Pride Critical Countdown and Bodyblow coming from Netflix. Looking forward to cardio this week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
    I don't doubt your knowledge of MMA, but making statements like "AA could'nt KO Sylvia so JLB also could not" makes me highly suspicious of your knowledge of how generally bad MMA strikers are in comparison to the kickboxers.
    I think you missed my point too man, lol.

    I wasn't saying that "AA could'nt KO Sylvia so JLB also could not" in any way, shape, or form. All I was saying is that Tim has a solid chin, no more, no less. Anyone that can take a punch from AA like that, much less two, and not get KO'd has a solid chin. That's all I'm saying.

    Also, I'm not sure what we disagree on really. We both agree that JLB would win a standup battle, but I guess maybe we don't agree on who would win a MMA match. I think that Tim could take him down and win it from there in MMA, whether it be a submission, GnP, or a snoozefest lay n pray. Like I said he is a Miletich fighter, and they do great ground work as a camp. Just because he prefer's to stand in his fights thus far doesn't mean he doesn't have a solid ground game and it doesn't mean he wouldn't use it to exploit a K1 fighters weaknesses.

    Question my knowledge if you wish, but I don't see the gapping hole in my logic/prediction that you seem to see.

    Can one of you guys that is so certain JLB would beat Tim so effortlessly please explain to me how Tim winning a ground fight is so out of the question?

    I honestly don't like Tim very much, but I don't let that cloud my view of looking at things from an objective point of view. You guys are being pretty closed minded IMO.
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    Earlier in this thread somebody stated that JLB trains ground with Dean Lister...I don't know how long this has been going on, but if the ground game is/was a weakness for JLB, it probably won't be in the future (if he outlast father time...he's got to be getting up there in age for a fighter...maybe mid to late 30s).
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    Yes, let us try and stay on topic. I know I am guilty of this as well, but please make an effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    Yes, let us try and stay on topic. I know I am guilty of this as well, but please make an effort.

    Anyone think that training with Tito and "the gang" up in Big Bear will give Page the edge he needs to get back to his old self?

    Or do you guys think he's got RJJ syndrome and will never be the same fighter after Wandy?

    I for one really hope he gets back to his old self, I enjoyed watching his "unique" style very much.
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    There's really no way to tell until he climbs back into the ring. That being said, it definitely won't hurt him any!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHSUStudent
    Anyone think that training with Tito and "the gang" up in Big Bear will give Page the edge he needs to get back to his old self?

    Or do you guys think he's got RJJ syndrome and will never be the same fighter after Wandy?

    I for one really hope he gets back to his old self, I enjoyed watching his "unique" style very much.
    Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever see the old Rampage, hopefully I'm wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHSUStudent
    Anyone think that training with Tito and "the gang" up in Big Bear will give Page the edge he needs to get back to his old self?

    Or do you guys think he's got RJJ syndrome and will never be the same fighter after Wandy?

    I for one really hope he gets back to his old self, I enjoyed watching his "unique" style very much.
    It will be hard to tell against Linland if he is back to his old self. Don't forget that Shogun gave him a pretty good beating too.
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    Damn, I just watched Jackson vs. Arona from PRIDEFC Critical Countdown 2004. I'd seen that slam many times in highlights, but it was actually disturbing to see it unfold. BEASTLY Arona's head ricocheted off the canvas so hard that it cut Jackson's head when it bounced back up.
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    Beowulf.....try to watch some George St. Pierre fights when you get a chance. He is an excellent fighter who is technically sound.
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    I'll look him up and get that in my next Netflix order

    Jackson is obviously incredibly strong for his size and seems to have a rare level of cajones. Even to my uneducated eye he seems to be get by more on athletic talent and balls than on skill. He seems to take a lot of shots, and is definitely exciting to watch, though. I watched his fight vs. Ninja, his first fight after getting KO'd. Even Jackson thought he lost. Honestly, the second time I watched it, it appeared that although Ninja dictated the course of the fight, for the most part, Jackson was more successful in attacking and countering.
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