Ortiz Vs. Shamrock, Who's going to win?
- 06-02-2006, 10:56 PM
- 06-03-2006, 12:57 AM
Shamrock doesnt look very good in the ultimate fighter. Ortiz will own him. I think Matt the deaf guy could take Shamrock.
- 06-03-2006, 05:19 AM
Tito will win by either TKO or referee stoppage in second round because Ken Shamrock has too much pride to loose any other way because he wont beat him
06-03-2006, 07:49 AM
should be a good matchup. think I may have to pay for this one. glad I didn't pay for the Gracie fight
06-03-2006, 09:43 AM
Shammy is gonna get screwed up. Tito's too good. But thats just my opinion.
06-03-2006, 09:50 AM
It will most likely be a repeat of their match...I don't see any reason why Shamrock won't leave the ring looking like a truck ran over his face...AGAIN. Tito already owned Shamrock in the ring once and now Tito's in his head too.
06-03-2006, 10:12 AM
titos in shamrocks head and will make a mistake in anger and let tito get the win.
06-03-2006, 10:18 AM
LOL...I'm the only one who voted for Ken Shamrock. I really hope he will mess up that prick Tito.Not likely tho.
06-03-2006, 12:16 PM
I read that Ken had a torn ligament in his knee during the last fight. If this is true, it really isn't a fair indicator of how they match up.
06-03-2006, 12:25 PM
Tito has the torn ligament.Originally Posted by Beowulf
06-03-2006, 02:06 PM
I think Beow is referring to the first match...honestly, I forgot about that, but he's right. Ken did have a pretty badly torn ACL. I still think he may be beyond his time though.Originally Posted by eGhost
06-03-2006, 04:53 PM
Agreed!Originally Posted by stxnas
06-03-2006, 05:42 PM
Shamrock. He was dealing with a lot of injuries in the first fight. I think it may look a lot like Shamrock/Fujita minus the gassing.
06-03-2006, 05:47 PM
If the Shamrock who fought Fujita shows up, it should be a good match. I think Tito is better on the ground but Shammy has a better stand up. If Tito can get him on the ground, it'll be a repeat of last time. If Shammy can avoid that and use his stand up effectively, he has a good chance of taking it.
I think Tito will probably take it, though.
06-03-2006, 08:39 PM
06-04-2006, 02:11 AM
Even though it kills me to say it (not a shamrock fan, just hate ortiz)...Tito by ref stoppage. Shammy is old, and hasn't changed his game enough IMO.
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06-04-2006, 08:32 AM
shamrock is going to get torn up. I cant believe he is getting in the ring with him after the first fight...even without any injuries this time I think Shamrock should just hang it up.
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06-04-2006, 10:49 AM
I agree shammy don't have enough gas in the tank. Tito will win.
06-05-2006, 08:02 AM
Tito is ****y and arrogant, and Shamrock is a moron. So, I'd like to see them both lose. Tito wins by tap out.
06-05-2006, 10:11 AM
I guess I am one of the few that actually like Tito.
I would venture it will be much like the first fight, assuming Tito is healthy and doesn't gas, which shouldn't be a problem considering Shams will probably have less stamina than him.
Tito hates Shams too much not to be focused. Ken vs Tito round 2 will look much like round 1 IMO.
06-06-2006, 03:55 PM
I truly think that Ortiz will win against Shamrock. That is a match I can't wait to see because they have contrasting personalities and they really don't like each other.
06-06-2006, 04:33 PM
I hope the fight is like the Shamrock-Fujita fight but I doubt it. Seems to me that Ken Shamrock is done as a fighter. Now, lets get Frank Shamrock back in the ring!
06-06-2006, 04:36 PM
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No doubt!. I also think, as much as I hate Tito, that he will obliterate Shamrock.Originally Posted by size
06-06-2006, 06:20 PM
I don't know why anyone could think Shamrock has a chance... he's a has been and hasn't won a fight in the UFC in how many years?? He's all mouth without the skills to back it up... I'm not a huge Tito fan, but i want him to beat the snot out of ken and shut him up once and for all.
06-08-2006, 10:47 PM
Shamrock is going to get his ass beat again... (unless he does a ton of crank and kick Tito's knee out early in the fight) Actually he'd still get beat, even though Ortiz didn't look that great against Griffin. After watching TUF 3 though I can say that I love the way that he trains.
06-13-2006, 12:09 AM
Good thinking, the crack defense could be his only chance.
Of course he did beat Tito at pool.
06-14-2006, 09:34 PM
TUF 3 shows no indication of either fighter's skills. The show is meant to make money so they contrasted both fighters immensely to make it a good show. Shamrock was just made to look bad and Ortiz made to look good because it is the opposite of what was expected.
Training also doesnt have much effect on the fighters themselves. Some were lazy on Shamrocks team, and Tait should have won his matchup. SO you cant judge them based on TUF.
Shamrock had a neck injury AND a torn ACL fighting Tito the first time around. He lost because he tripped against Rick Franklin. It was a fight he was doing well in until he fell of course. He knocked out Kimo, who is a well versed fighter as well. The Sakuraba fight was controversial because he DID get back up.
Tito is not as badly injured as Shamrock. THis is true because first Tito wanted to pull out and then he found out that his injury wasnt that serious so he decided to stay. Ortiz has good conditioning, but who is to say that SHamrock doesnt ahve? Everyone bases conditioning on the fight Shamrock had against Fujita, but that fight was whilst he was injured, and right after he came back from the WWF. He was definetly rusty for that one. For this fight, SHamrock is ready, as is Ortiz. Shamrock changed his fighters up and is training with new people as well. THis fight can go either way, and nothing can change that.
06-14-2006, 09:42 PM
That's true you really never know for sure until the fights over.
06-15-2006, 06:34 AM
Btw this is ken's retirement fight from a source that trained with a trainning partner of shamrock(reliable source)
Basically he said from what i gathered that (threw his relationship with ken) i don't want to note due to the fact it could possiblily lead back to my friend(which probably won't care) But anyhow, The reason he's slacking on the show is because this is his retirement fight and he's more focused then ever to go out on a win vs tito, as f-d as that seems to me that he would let his team mates down like that. Thats how it is, one last big payday before retirement.
06-15-2006, 04:35 PM
I agree with you. I think the only reason he even stuck around is because he wants revenge on Tito. You see, he squashed beef with Frye and Ortiz is the only one he hates left.
06-15-2006, 04:37 PM
That was a fight.Originally Posted by Snipervirus
06-17-2006, 06:10 PM
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And a hell of a fight too. Shamrock broke both of Frye's ankles.Originally Posted by size
06-17-2006, 07:50 PM
I thought he had that decision made, but it was an amazing thing to watch. Shamrock, oh man, we havent seen the last of him. Even if he retires, he is going to keep promoting this sport till he dies.
06-19-2006, 03:15 PM
Thatís amazing. Frye was still standing after the fight looking mean as ever.Originally Posted by Rodja
06-19-2006, 03:25 PM
Damn, I don't think I've seen this fight. What venue was it from?
06-26-2006, 05:06 PM
It was in Pride in 2002.Originally Posted by stxnas
06-26-2006, 07:40 PM
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gf_HCrYDdI"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/nomedia]Originally Posted by size
06-26-2006, 08:34 PM
I found it in its entirety...can you say BRAWL! Went to a split decision, heh.Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge
Shamrock's face didn't look much better in that one than it did after his fight with Tito.
06-26-2006, 08:42 PM
I still think Tito will pull it off but I dont think it's going to be easy. Shamrock is putting his life into this fight.
06-26-2006, 08:46 PM
I can't wait to see the stare down...
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