Ortiz Vs. Shamrock, Who's going to win?

[asap nutrition]

I truly think that Ortiz will win against Shamrock. That is a match I can't wait to see because they have contrasting personalities and they really don't like each other.

[size]

I hope the fight is like the Shamrock-Fujita fight but I doubt it. Seems to me that Ken Shamrock is done as a fighter. Now, lets get Frank Shamrock back in the ring!

[Mulletsoldier]

lets get Frank Shamrock back in the ring!

No doubt!. I also think, as much as I hate Tito, that he will obliterate Shamrock.

[sikdogg]

I don't know why anyone could think Shamrock has a chance... he's a has been and hasn't won a fight in the UFC in how many years?? He's all mouth without the skills to back it up... I'm not a huge Tito fan, but i want him to beat the snot out of ken and shut him up once and for all.

[BenPoss]

Shamrock is going to get his ass beat again... (unless he does a ton of crank and kick Tito's knee out early in the fight) Actually he'd still get beat, even though Ortiz didn't look that great against Griffin. After watching TUF 3 though I can say that I love the way that he trains.

[mp5man1]

Good thinking, the crack defense could be his only chance.

Of course he did beat Tito at pool.
:bruce1:

[Snipervirus]

TUF 3 shows no indication of either fighter's skills. The show is meant to make money so they contrasted both fighters immensely to make it a good show. Shamrock was just made to look bad and Ortiz made to look good because it is the opposite of what was expected.

Training also doesnt have much effect on the fighters themselves. Some were lazy on Shamrocks team, and Tait should have won his matchup. SO you cant judge them based on TUF.

Shamrock had a neck injury AND a torn ACL fighting Tito the first time around. He lost because he tripped against Rick Franklin. It was a fight he was doing well in until he fell of course. He knocked out Kimo, who is a well versed fighter as well. The Sakuraba fight was controversial because he DID get back up.

Tito is not as badly injured as Shamrock. THis is true because first Tito wanted to pull out and then he found out that his injury wasnt that serious so he decided to stay. Ortiz has good conditioning, but who is to say that SHamrock doesnt ahve? Everyone bases conditioning on the fight Shamrock had against Fujita, but that fight was whilst he was injured, and right after he came back from the WWF. He was definetly rusty for that one. For this fight, SHamrock is ready, as is Ortiz. Shamrock changed his fighters up and is training with new people as well. THis fight can go either way, and nothing can change that.

[mp5man1]

That's true you really never know for sure until the fights over.

[Dr Liftalot]

Btw this is ken's retirement fight from a source that trained with a trainning partner of shamrock(reliable source)

Basically he said from what i gathered that (threw his relationship with ken) i don't want to note due to the fact it could possiblily lead back to my friend(which probably won't care) But anyhow, The reason he's slacking on the show is because this is his retirement fight and he's more focused then ever to go out on a win vs tito, as f-d as that seems to me that he would let his team mates down like that. Thats how it is, one last big payday before retirement.

Dr liftalot

[Snipervirus]

I agree with you. I think the only reason he even stuck around is because he wants revenge on Tito. You see, he squashed beef with Frye and Ortiz is the only one he hates left.

[size]

he squashed beef with Frye

That was a fight.

[Rodja]

That was a fight.

And a hell of a fight too. Shamrock broke both of Frye's ankles.

[Snipervirus]

I thought he had that decision made, but it was an amazing thing to watch. Shamrock, oh man, we havent seen the last of him. Even if he retires, he is going to keep promoting this sport till he dies.

[mp5man1]

And a hell of a fight too. Shamrock broke both of Frye's ankles.

That’s amazing. Frye was still standing after the fight looking mean as ever.

[stxnas]

Damn, I don't think I've seen this fight. What venue was it from?

[size]

Damn, I don't think I've seen this fight. What venue was it from?

It was in Pride in 2002.

[BingeAndPurge]

It was in Pride in 2002.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gf_HCrYDdI"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/nomedia]

[stxnas]

YouTube - An American War

I found it in its entirety...can you say BRAWL! Went to a split decision, heh.

Shamrock's face didn't look much better in that one than it did after his fight with Tito.

[mp5man1]

I still think Tito will pull it off but I dont think it's going to be easy. Shamrock is putting his life into this fight.

[stxnas]

I can't wait to see the stare down...