[MaynardMeek]

being one who does Aikido, we do not have to worry about weight class. IE Steven Segal ( spelling) however.. i was reading that one man cut down 27 pounds in one week...

how the hell did he do that?

[flytrapcan]

Look at fighters who are using saunas and those crazey sweat suits and dropping 20 plus over night. God imagine dropping it like that and then fighting, course after the weighin they kick the water back in.

[MaynardMeek]

totally rediculous...but interesting

[bioman]

Yeah, dehydration, ultra low carbing it. In wrestling my teammates used to spit for hours and drop lots of wieght to make class. Definitely would impact strength/endurance though.

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by bioman

Yeah, dehydration, ultra low carbing it. In wrestling my teammates used to spit for hours and drop lots of wieght to make class. Definitely would impact strength/endurance though.

In the third or fourth episode of The Ultimate Fighter, Ross Pointon went from 199 to 185 in a day. He basically ate low carbs, drank distilled water, and went in a sauna. You have between 24-30 hours after weigh-in to carb up and rehydrate. Most fighters walk around 10-20 lbs heavier than their fighting weight.

[size]

Originally Posted by Rogue Drone

If it's even possible, I'm very skeptical, 27 pounds in 7 days would be dangeously debilatating, one would be critically dehydrated with electrolyte imbalances.

I'm doubly skeptical since it's Seagal, nothing about that guy feels authentic to me.

The Seagal reference is in regards to him being a practitioner of Aikido as in Maynard, and hence he is not accustomed to cutting weight.

Dropping weight is a part of professional fighting and wrestling. Often dominant fighters are able to cut tremendous amounts of weight and fight much smaller guys. Dropping 20lbs is alot but it is not unheard of. 27lbs in 7 days is amazing/insane but I imagine there are some freaks that do it. Lots of weird tricks to lose the weight sweat suits, suana, spitting, etc.

Maynard...This is a little off topic but how is aikido taught to block or deflect kicks? For instance, a thai kick to the thigh?

[Beelzebub]

buddy of mine dropped 30lbs in 10 days for high school wrestling. during those 10 days, he would wrap himself in plastic garbage bags and go running, his reward - an ice cube. every 3rd day, he'd have an apple and that was it. looked like death after the 10 days were up.

[MaynardMeek]

well Aikido doesn't hold one true way to deal with any attack. The main thing you have to keep in mind is to use the energy that is being put on to you, and redirect it to the person spending that energy.

If I were to have a situation of a kick to the hip, close in.. say using the right leg to attack me.. i would step back with my left.. either grab the heal with my right hand, soft lock with my left and twist then push him over..... that way i can just put him into a submission hold to deny him any ability to return to his feet and attack again...

some may do it another way..


i uhmm didn't use any aikido jargen.. but if you would like me to.. i will... most people don't know the actions behind the names since all of our classes are taught in japanese only...but you get use to it.



EDIT!!!! wow.. after thinking about it... we would never put ourselves in the position .. the attacker would be long gone in another direction if he came in like that.... but.. IF for some reason it had to happen.. i would happen as stated above... by me

[Beelzebub]

what if it was someone like glen, who tried a high kick to your shins?

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by Beelzebub

what if it was someone like glen, who tried a high kick to your shins?

You're relentless on the shorty jokes

[MaynardMeek]

if we have someone short.. and i am unsure on glen's exact hight.. but.. the OkuNoga Shemi would be the best method.. or the Arimi Nuggie.. which is placing your hand on the head of the attacker.. in this case glen.... and keep your arm stiff.. not letting him hit or kick you due to the distance away from your body he is... NOTE... the attacker will continue to try to kick at you.. or punch.. until you lift your hand and he then goes flying forward onto his face

[Beelzebub]

lol, that's some technical shiz.

[size]

Originally Posted by MaynardMeek

wafter thinking about it... we would never put ourselves in the position .. the attacker would be long gone in another direction if he came in like that.... but.. IF for some reason it had to happen.. i would happen as stated above... by me

If the attacker displays no energy towards you except for verbal aggression then releases a thai kick then how would you respond? Catching a thai kick from an experienced fighter is no easy task.
Or how would one defend a shoot from a trained fighter?

I really find aikido interesting. It is really a beautiful art form to watch and amazing. However, I wonder about some methods(as I do with all forms of martial arts) as I question whether or not such actions would actually be effective. Maynard please recgonize that this is not an attack on your art form or training, but just my thoughts running on the idea.

[MaynardMeek]

The first thing.. anyone who is Aikido would be ready. Unless someone is a total nut job and isn't sane, one can tell when someone walks up to you with aggression in their mind and heart even though their body is calm. When you feel that... you move your body to a comfortable distance. If the person keeps following you.. keep walking back until you feel that his actions are not healthy for the balance of the world.. then if he wants to come in, let him in.. then let him on his way ;-)

Now that is the ideal situation. In the case you bring forth to me, though it could happen, it just isn't a very common happening. Thai etc are contact sports ( and very awesome styles of fighting) but Aikido is more of a mental, art of peace that wouldn't ever really be involved with contact sport type fighting. But I will make up a situation where you are on the street, and some girls bf comes up to you because an Aikido student was "hitting" on her uhmm mom. This BF just so happens to be trained in contact sport fighting, in this case Thai. The aikido student lets this man come up to him to less than legs distance from him ( total no no) and get a swift kick in the side. Well.. oh well.. he is hurt! lol It is what happens after that. If the aikido student does what he/she is trained to do... he will refocus, relax his eyes and watch every last limb on that man's body. It is so very easty to detect what body part someone will use to attack you, but if all else fails it is obvious that if you are infront of the attacker.. the attackers energy will be forced forward and for that moment he will be off balance. Knock him over. In Aikido the circle is power. and everything we do is in said shape IE my avatar i am flying over my sensei. and in this case the circle is the space around your body that people may call the "personal bubble" you keep that bubble just out of reach...

Now i know thats lots of chatter but maybe not saying much.. but its really hard to explain an example that really wouldn't or SHOULDN'T ever happen. If anyone is really a true student of Aikido, the training is 90% mental, thinking, and only 10% action. ( hence why we don't need weight limits ;-) and also why i have had my a$$ kicked by a 80 year old woman. Trying to talk about how an Aikido student would react to any sort of contact sport form of fighting is like trying to figure out if a tiger would be able to beat a shark in a fight.. though it could happen.. one would have to totally remove themselves from their natural environment to find out....

[size]

Maynard...thank you for the explanation. I know it is difficult to explain but you have helped. Aikido is such a different form that it is difficult I think for someone to grasp who does not practice it.

[MaynardMeek]

its just such a totally different animal.. aikido is.. i will never say it is the best.. i think all art forms are awesome.. but aikido is the only form i know that what you are doesn't matter...

i talked about the 80 year old woman.. and i was serious.. this frail looking, short, golden girl was a guest instructor and 9 of us tried to attack her.. she threw me around like i was her aborted baby....it is all about the mind and its crazy how much you can do when you take other people's energy



not saying she had one.. but you get my drift

[size]

Originally Posted by MaynardMeek

ii will never say it is the best.. i think all art forms are awesome..

I agree with you. I do not think any one way is the best. Most individuals will assume "their" way is the best, but this is not a fair or impartial way to approach the subject.

[meangreen]

My Grandma kicked your ass!