who's excited for Lesnar/Overeem?

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  1. who's excited for Lesnar/Overeem?


    Both of these guys are monsters!
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  2. This guy!!!

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  3. Overseen via tko late in rd 1

  4. I hope this is a good fight. REALLY!!!!

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  5. Can't wait to see Overeem in the UFC. Lets say he wins the ufc heavyweight championship in 2012. Would that make him the greatest HW in MMA history?

  6. Quote Originally Posted by mh625 View Post
    Can't wait to see Overeem in the UFC. Lets say he wins the ufc heavyweight championship in 2012. Would that make him the greatest HW in MMA history?
    While I can see him stuffing Brock's takedowns and landing his powerful strikes at will on route to a TKO finish.... Junior Dos Santos is another story....

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mh625 View Post
    Can't wait to see Overeem in the UFC. Lets say he wins the ufc heavyweight championship in 2012. Would that make him the greatest HW in MMA history?
    No. It's going to be hard to top Fedor or even Noguiera.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  8. I hear yeah about fedor and big nog, but overeem's name should be mentioned alongside if he wins the UFC belt, it goes along with the Dream belt, Strikforce belt, and the K-1 belt. Thats pretty impressive the only thing that is holding him back is the so called lack of competition. Although with Fedor you can say the same thing I mean he did fight Big Nog but most his other wins were against sub par competition or guys at the end of their careers for example Arlovski and Sylvia.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mh625 View Post
    I hear yeah about fedor and big nog, but overeem's name should be mentioned alongside if he wins the UFC belt, it goes along with the Dream belt, Strikforce belt, and the K-1 belt. Thats pretty impressive the only thing that is holding him back is the so called lack of competition. Although with Fedor you can say the same thing I mean he did fight Big Nog but most his other wins were against sub par competition or guys at the end of their careers for example Arlovski and Sylvia.
    The Dream title is a joke, K-1 isn't applicable, and he defended the SF title once...against Bret Rogers.

    You have to put Fedor's career in perspective as well. When he fought Herring, Schilt, Coleman I, Randleman, and Hunt, they were all ranked in the top-10 and that doesn't take into account his wins over Nog 2x and CC (he was an underdog for Nog I and CC). You can easily say that he is the one that tanked the careers of both Arlovski and Sylvia as they were both ranked in the top-5 at the time they fought (AA was #2 and Sylvia was #5)
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  10. Quote Originally Posted by Marcinator View Post
    While I can see him stuffing Brock's takedowns and landing his powerful strikes at will on route to a TKO finish.... Junior Dos Santos is another story....
    No doubt JDS is the real deal I'm just saying what if. I would love to see that fight too.
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  11. Fedor was an overrated joke who fought only garbage competition, and was exposed as such numerous times on national (well Showtime) TV recently. And as for Lesnar, he is afraid to be punched in the face.....that is not good, he runs like a wussy when punched....its fuqin hilarious! can't wait till he runs around again flopping around the octagon after being punched, then huddles up in the fetal hoping the ref stops it BWA!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    The Dream title is a joke, K-1 isn't applicable, and he defended the SF title once...against Bret Rogers.

    You have to put Fedor's career in perspective as well. When he fought Herring, Schilt, Coleman I, Randleman, and Hunt, they were all ranked in the top-10 and that doesn't take into account his wins over Nog 2x and CC (he was an underdog for Nog I and CC). You can easily say that he is the one that tanked the careers of both Arlovski and Sylvia as they were both ranked in the top-5 at the time they fought (AA was #2 and Sylvia was #5)
    Ok but Slyvia was on the end of his career and so was Arlovski matter of fact their most impressive wins were against each other and Fedor fought Rogers too and didnt do that well in the first round if I remember correct and Overeem tapped Hunt when Overeem was 205 you cant deny the mans skills regardless of who you are a fan of. I like Fedor as much as the next guy but Fedor (his management) ducked Overeem in Strikeforce. Overeem was on record many times saying he wanted to fight Fedor and he was the SF champ so why would Fedor not fight him just saying if he wins the UFC belt he could go down as the best HW ever.

  13. yeah that is another thing, in one of the few wins we actually SAW LIVE of fedor's, vs rogers......rogers could have easily took out fedor in the first round if he knew WTF he was doing. Then his showtime career would have been a REAL disaster, as opposed to just a regular disaster.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mh625 View Post
    Ok but Slyvia was on the end of his career and so was Arlovski matter of fact their most impressive wins were against each other and Fedor fought Rogers too and didnt do that well in the first round if I remember correct and Overeem tapped Hunt when Overeem was 205 you cant deny the mans skills regardless of who you are a fan of. I like Fedor as much as the next guy but Fedor (his management) ducked Overeem in Strikeforce. Overeem was on record many times saying he wanted to fight Fedor and he was the SF champ so why would Fedor not fight him just saying if he wins the UFC belt he could go down as the best HW ever.
    You must be relatively new to MMA. Arlovski was the #2 ranked HW, behind Fedor, at the time they fought. How is that at the end of his career? Same with Sylvia as he had been in the top-5 HW rankings for nearly 3 years at that point. Overeem was not at LHW when he fought Hunt, but that's more of a detail than anything. I'm not doubting his abilities as he has a proven track record in MMA, but most of it is at LHW and not HW. I've said this several times, but his hype is based largely on his physique. Wins over Tony Sylvester, James Thompson, Gary "I've been punch-drunk for a decade" Goodridge, and the like is not an impressive resume at HW. In fact, he's 3-2 all-time against (at the time) ranked competition with wins over Werdum, Rogers, and Kharitonov and losses to Werdum and Kharitonov. I also give little credence to any claims that he makes considering the current shroud of uncertainty around him and his whole licensing situation raises a major eyebrow.

    It's going to take multiple defenses of the HW championship to even approach being the GOAT at HW and the current record in the UFC is two with both Couture and Sylvia sharing that record. Everyone forgets that it was the general consensus during Fedor's reign that the vast majority of the top HWs were in Pride. Obviously, the careers of most of them (Barnett really being the exception) are on the downslide, but it has been over 6 years since the apex of Pride (Final Conflict '05) and judging their current skill set is not a fair comparison.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  15. Good points Rodja - Fedor was basically the Anderson Silva of the HW division for years.... fighting almost all of the top-ranked HW's out there, defending his title over and over... look at the past few UFC HW champs going back all the way to 2006:

    JDS - has yet to defend title
    Cain - lost his first defense to JDS
    Lesnar - defended twice
    Couture - defended twice
    Sylvia - defended twice

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Marcinator View Post
    Good points Rodja - Fedor was basically the Anderson Silva of the HW division for years.... fighting almost all of the top-ranked HW's out there, defending his title over and over... look at the past few UFC HW champs going back all the way to 2006:

    JDS - has yet to defend title
    Cain - lost his first defense to JDS
    Lesnar - defended twice
    Couture - defended twice
    Sylvia - defended twice
    Don't forget that there were also 3 interim champs during this time period: Nog, Mir, and Carwin.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  17. Well Rodja u r right I remember the Reem and hunt fight it was the open weight GP and the Reem was I think around 220 my bad recalled that wrong. My bad but I'm still not impressed by the whole Sylvia and Arlovski bouts as Fedors "tough" competition Sylvia struggled with Brandon Vera I mean really. Arlovski was KOed by Rogers wow, but then again we saw Fedor struggle with Rogers, and we saw how the Reem handled him so as far as you trying to talk mess about me being new to mma I'm not but if I was Fedor would be a chump and Overeem would be the man. You have to admit his HW run has been as good as anyones. Regardless of what you think about dream, stikeforce, and K-1 as a fighter those are three of the biggest organizations and Overeem owns the title in all three. Fedor can't say that, but people say Fedor was the greatest. How is that? With a UFC title regardless if he defends it or not he has already done more than the so called greatest."Fedor" . I understand u are a huge Fedor fan but look at it from all sides.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mh625 View Post
    Well Rodja u r right I remember the Reem and hunt fight it was the open weight GP and the Reem was I think around 220 my bad recalled that wrong. My bad but I'm still not impressed by the whole Sylvia and Arlovski bouts as Fedors "tough" competition Sylvia struggled with Brandon Vera I mean really. Arlovski was KOed by Rogers wow, but then again we saw Fedor struggle with Rogers, and we saw how the Reem handled him so as far as you trying to talk mess about me being new to mma I'm not but if I was Fedor would be a chump and Overeem would be the man. You have to admit his HW run has been as good as anyones. Regardless of what you think about dream, stikeforce, and K-1 as a fighter those are three of the biggest organizations and Overeem owns the title in all three. Fedor can't say that, but people say Fedor was the greatest. How is that? With a UFC title regardless if he defends it or not he has already done more than the so called greatest."Fedor" . I understand u are a huge Fedor fan but look at it from all sides.
    You must be completely ignoring Fedor's achievements in Pride. I suggest you dig much more deeply into MMA before you start calling Fedor a chump and deifying Overeem.

    Win 35–11 (1) Fabricio Werdum Decision (unanimous) Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum June 18, 2011 3 5:00 Dallas, Texas, United States Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix Quarterfinal. Later was pulled from the tournament.
    Win 34–11 (1) Todd Duffee KO (knee & punches) Dynamite!! 2010 December 31, 2010 1 0:19 Saitama, Saitama, Japan Won the Dream Heavyweight Championship. Later vacated title.
    Win 33–11 (1) Brett Rogers TKO (punches) Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery May 15, 2010 1 3:40 St. Louis, Missouri, United States Defended the Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship. Later vacated title.
    Win 32–11 (1) Kazuyuki Fujita KO (knee) Dynamite!! 2009 December 31, 2009 1 1:15 Saitama, Saitama, Japan
    Win 31–11 (1) James Thompson Submission (standing guillotine choke) Dream 12 October 25, 2009 1 0:33 Osaka, Osaka, Japan
    Win 30–11 (1) Tony Sylvester Submission (standing guillotine choke) Ultimate Glory 11: A Decade of Fights October 17, 2009 1 1:23 Amsterdam, Netherlands
    Win 29–11 (1) Gary Goodridge Submission (kimura) Ultimate Glory 10: The Battle of Arnhem November 9, 2008 1 1:42 Arnhem, Netherlands
    NC 28–11 (1) Mirko Filipovic No contest (knee to the groin) Dream 6 September 23, 2008 1 6:09 Saitama, Saitama, Japan Overeem kneed Cro Cop two times in the groin
    Win 28–11 Mark Hunt Submission (keylock) Dream 5 July 21, 2008 1 1:11 Osaka, Osaka, Japan
    Win 27–11 Lee Tae-Hyun KO (punches & knee) Dream 4 June 15, 2008 1 0:36 Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan
    Win 26–11 Paul Buentello Submission (knees to the body) Strikeforce: Four Men Enter, One Man Survives November 16, 2007 2 3:42 San Jose, California, United States Won inaugural Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship
    Loss 25–11 Sergei Kharitonov KO (punch) Hero's 10 September 17, 2007 1 4:21 Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan
    Win 25–10 Michael Knaap Submission (guillotine choke) K-1 World Grand Prix 2007 in Amsterdam June 23, 2007 1 4:51 Amsterdam, Netherlands Moves up to Heavyweight full-time

    Loss 23–7 Fabricio Werdum Submission (kimura) Pride Total Elimination Absolute May 5, 2006 2 3:43 Osaka, Osaka, Japan Pride 2006 Openweight Grand Prix Opening Round

    Win 22–6 Sergei Kharitonov TKO (knees) Pride 31 February 26, 2006 1 5:13 Saitama, Saitama, Japan Moves up to Heavyweight

    This Overeem's record at HW. How in the hell can anyone say that this is truly impressive? His Dream title was won against Todd Duffee, SF title was won against Buentello and he only defended it once (against Rogers after Rogers' loss to Fedor, which makes no sense), and his K-1 title is for freaking kickboxing. If you want to throw out titles, then I could easily point out that Fedor was the Pride, Rings, WAMMA and 4x World Combat Sambo champion, but titles in and of themselves do not prove the dominance of a fighter.

    Out of all of his HW fights, the only ones that were against legitimate, top competition were Werdum, Hunt, Sergei, CC, Buentello, and Rogers. In these fights, he is 5-2 (1 NC). Fedor's fights against legitimate, top competition would be Nog, CC, Hunt, Herring, AA, Sylvia, Bigfoot and Rogers. In these fights, he is 7-2 (1NC). I'll agree that Fedor is past his prime and that he has failed to keep up with the game, but to say he is a chump is asinine.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  19. Weren't arlovsky and Sylvia on like 3 fight losing streaks and banned from ufc going into their fights with fedor? as well his many losses in sf were embarrassing. Almost as bad as his "wins" in over these former ufc "greats"

  20. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Weren't arlovsky and Sylvia on like 3 fight losing streaks and banned from ufc going into their fights with fedor? as well his many losses in sf were embarrassing. Almost as bad as his "wins" in over these former ufc "greats"
    AA was on a 5 fight winning streak and the reason for his departure was that his contract expired (Dana expressed regret about letting him get away) and Sylvia lost his previous fight against Nog (which was the interim championship) and asked for his release.

    This is just further proof that so many people are new to MMA and have not been following it long enough to make informed opinions.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  21. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Weren't arlovsky and Sylvia on like 3 fight losing streaks and banned from ufc going into their fights with fedor? as well his many losses in sf were embarrassing. Almost as bad as his "wins" in over these former ufc "greats"
    Mike Tyson's final fight and loss to Kevin McBride was "embarrassing" but does anyone make the argument that Kevin McBride was a greater fighter than Tyson?

    I don't think so.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    AA was on a 5 fight winning streak and the reason for his departure was that his contract expired (Dana expressed regret about letting him get away) and Sylvia lost his previous fight against Nog (which was the interim championship) and asked for his release.

    This is just further proof that so many people are new to MMA and have not been following it long enough to make informed opinions.
    New? LOL........been there since UFC #1 early 90's. PRIDE for at least half of their run.....Both guys were "released" from UFC either way, obviously they were either not performing or had lost several fights in a row. the whole "i want my release randomly" is pretty fraudulent. I will go look this up to see if what you posted was accurate or not. I don't keep files on each fighter and their W-L, I go by what i recall.........

  23. OK, arlovski lost twice in a row to sylvia in UFC then won 3 straight in UFC before "leaving"......AFTER losing to fedor he went on a 3 fight skid, the one I was referring too (4 fight loss streak including the fedor fight)....I had thought it was during/leading up to the fedor fight. either way, he was getting his ass kicked around in SF for sure and apparently felt he couldn't win the UFC belt, probably the reason he left there. Sylvia lost to coutore and nog and won a decision vs vera before leaving the UFC....pretty close to a 3 fight losing streak, but yeah....he won one inbetween....my bad.... either way I am sure they wanted him out of there, I recall him fighting pisspoor his last fights dancing and running around trying not to get KO'd in UFC then he turned up elsewhere.

  24. Sylvia's, who beat the hell out of Nog for two rounds before getting submitted, departure:
    http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/...or-m-1-global/

    Dana talking about AA leaving:
    http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/29/dana-white-leaves-door-open-for-ufc-return-by-andrei-arlovski/


    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  25. Dana is full of shyt. I need not say more about that, how many guys "would never fight in the UFC" have we seen in the UFC? or were allowed to return? He is always talking someone up or down and then his actions are the opposite of his words. OK........but anyways, both arlovski and sylvia share one thing in common....they both seemed to fall out of favor with the UFC in some form or fashion and both made for boring fights towards the end. Too much dancing around, I'm afraid to get KO'd crap.......BOTH of them. As for arlovski, were his last few fights on the main card? the prelims? unaired? I recall his 2 title fight losses vividly, but barely recall any of those wins .....and you can ask comcast, I've been a subscriber to UFC PPV's every year they were broadcast (there were the PPV banishment years in there). Perhaps if you stop talking down to anybody who DARES talk bad about "your fighters" that you seem to favor in a condescending manner ("you guys must be 'new' UFC fans).....and instead understand that not everyone thinks fedor is such a great champion and legend....and not everybody thinks arlovski and sylvia were such great competition post UFC days....you might not be arguing with fellow MMA fans so much.....

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Marcinator View Post
    Mike Tyson's final fight and loss to Kevin McBride was "embarrassing" but does anyone make the argument that Kevin McBride was a greater fighter than Tyson?

    I don't think so.
    dude, c'mon now man.......he was submitted by werdum right, then he was beaten half to death and within an inch of his life by bigfoot sylva and hendo.....I was waiting for him to be exposed finally in SF, since I feel his opponents previously left a LOT to be desired.....he avoided overeem as if his life depended on it.....he got lucky beating rogers....then was submitted and then beaten horribly by the next two guys. funny how once he got on Live american TV FINALLY.....he lost 3 in a row, and WOW fighting world class guys in their prime..go figure. He is a fraud, I've said this for years waiting for him to A) fight top competition and B) fight live in the UFC or SF or wherever here in the USA.

  27. Fighting Nog and CC isn't fighting top competition? There seems to be a lot that you don't recall as you have clearly shown in this thread. The only people that bash Fedor are people that do not have enough knowledge of MMA-plain and simple. Fighters, trainers, analysts....hell, practically anyone not named Dana White all agree that Fedor is a legend and the only other fighter that could be a contender for GOAT is Andy (and I freaking hate Anderson Silva).
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  28. Well I have been a fan of MMA for just as long as anybody else.....and I have stated my opinions in here and stand by them. I feel I have posted more than enough info/"proof" to back my statements and beliefs. we'll leave it at that........

  29. Actually, all you have done deny the counter evidence and focus solely on the latter part of Fedor's career instead of putting into perspective as a whole and the context of his reign. You have to remember that you're not only trashing Fedor, but also Noguiera.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  30. Alright... everyone take a breather and enjoy this promo I found:
  

  
 

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