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While I can see him stuffing Brock's takedowns and landing his powerful strikes at will on route to a TKO finish.... Junior Dos Santos is another story....Can't wait to see Overeem in the UFC. Lets say he wins the ufc heavyweight championship in 2012. Would that make him the greatest HW in MMA history?
No. It's going to be hard to top Fedor or even Noguiera.Can't wait to see Overeem in the UFC. Lets say he wins the ufc heavyweight championship in 2012. Would that make him the greatest HW in MMA history?
The Dream title is a joke, K-1 isn't applicable, and he defended the SF title once...against Bret Rogers.I hear yeah about fedor and big nog, but overeem's name should be mentioned alongside if he wins the UFC belt, it goes along with the Dream belt, Strikforce belt, and the K-1 belt. Thats pretty impressive the only thing that is holding him back is the so called lack of competition. Although with Fedor you can say the same thing I mean he did fight Big Nog but most his other wins were against sub par competition or guys at the end of their careers for example Arlovski and Sylvia.
No doubt JDS is the real deal I'm just saying what if. I would love to see that fight too.While I can see him stuffing Brock's takedowns and landing his powerful strikes at will on route to a TKO finish.... Junior Dos Santos is another story....
Ok but Slyvia was on the end of his career and so was Arlovski matter of fact their most impressive wins were against each other and Fedor fought Rogers too and didnt do that well in the first round if I remember correct and Overeem tapped Hunt when Overeem was 205 you cant deny the mans skills regardless of who you are a fan of. I like Fedor as much as the next guy but Fedor (his management) ducked Overeem in Strikeforce. Overeem was on record many times saying he wanted to fight Fedor and he was the SF champ so why would Fedor not fight him just saying if he wins the UFC belt he could go down as the best HW ever.The Dream title is a joke, K-1 isn't applicable, and he defended the SF title once...against Bret Rogers.
You have to put Fedor's career in perspective as well. When he fought Herring, Schilt, Coleman I, Randleman, and Hunt, they were all ranked in the top-10 and that doesn't take into account his wins over Nog 2x and CC (he was an underdog for Nog I and CC). You can easily say that he is the one that tanked the careers of both Arlovski and Sylvia as they were both ranked in the top-5 at the time they fought (AA was #2 and Sylvia was #5)
You must be relatively new to MMA. Arlovski was the #2 ranked HW, behind Fedor, at the time they fought. How is that at the end of his career? Same with Sylvia as he had been in the top-5 HW rankings for nearly 3 years at that point. Overeem was not at LHW when he fought Hunt, but that's more of a detail than anything. I'm not doubting his abilities as he has a proven track record in MMA, but most of it is at LHW and not HW. I've said this several times, but his hype is based largely on his physique. Wins over Tony Sylvester, James Thompson, Gary "I've been punch-drunk for a decade" Goodridge, and the like is not an impressive resume at HW. In fact, he's 3-2 all-time against (at the time) ranked competition with wins over Werdum, Rogers, and Kharitonov and losses to Werdum and Kharitonov. I also give little credence to any claims that he makes considering the current shroud of uncertainty around him and his whole licensing situation raises a major eyebrow.Ok but Slyvia was on the end of his career and so was Arlovski matter of fact their most impressive wins were against each other and Fedor fought Rogers too and didnt do that well in the first round if I remember correct and Overeem tapped Hunt when Overeem was 205 you cant deny the mans skills regardless of who you are a fan of. I like Fedor as much as the next guy but Fedor (his management) ducked Overeem in Strikeforce. Overeem was on record many times saying he wanted to fight Fedor and he was the SF champ so why would Fedor not fight him just saying if he wins the UFC belt he could go down as the best HW ever.
Don't forget that there were also 3 interim champs during this time period: Nog, Mir, and Carwin.Good points Rodja - Fedor was basically the Anderson Silva of the HW division for years.... fighting almost all of the top-ranked HW's out there, defending his title over and over... look at the past few UFC HW champs going back all the way to 2006:
JDS - has yet to defend title
Cain - lost his first defense to JDS
Lesnar - defended twice
Couture - defended twice
Sylvia - defended twice
You must be completely ignoring Fedor's achievements in Pride. I suggest you dig much more deeply into MMA before you start calling Fedor a chump and deifying Overeem.Well Rodja u r right I remember the Reem and hunt fight it was the open weight GP and the Reem was I think around 220 my bad recalled that wrong. My bad but I'm still not impressed by the whole Sylvia and Arlovski bouts as Fedors "tough" competition Sylvia struggled with Brandon Vera I mean really. Arlovski was KOed by Rogers wow, but then again we saw Fedor struggle with Rogers, and we saw how the Reem handled him so as far as you trying to talk mess about me being new to mma I'm not but if I was Fedor would be a chump and Overeem would be the man. You have to admit his HW run has been as good as anyones. Regardless of what you think about dream, stikeforce, and K-1 as a fighter those are three of the biggest organizations and Overeem owns the title in all three. Fedor can't say that, but people say Fedor was the greatest. How is that? With a UFC title regardless if he defends it or not he has already done more than the so called greatest."Fedor" . I understand u are a huge Fedor fan but look at it from all sides.
Win | 35–11 (1) | Fabricio Werdum | Decision (unanimous) | Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum | June 18, 2011 | 3 | 5:00 | Dallas, Texas, United States | Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix Quarterfinal. Later was pulled from the tournament. |
Win | 34–11 (1) | Todd Duffee | KO (knee & punches) | Dynamite!! 2010 | December 31, 2010 | 1 | 0:19 | Saitama, Saitama, Japan | Won the Dream Heavyweight Championship. Later vacated title. |
Win | 33–11 (1) | Brett Rogers | TKO (punches) | Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery | May 15, 2010 | 1 | 3:40 | St. Louis, Missouri, United States | Defended the Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship. Later vacated title. |
Win | 32–11 (1) | Kazuyuki Fujita | KO (knee) | Dynamite!! 2009 | December 31, 2009 | 1 | 1:15 | Saitama, Saitama, Japan | |
Win | 31–11 (1) | James Thompson | Submission (standing guillotine choke) | Dream 12 | October 25, 2009 | 1 | 0:33 | Osaka, Osaka, Japan | |
Win | 30–11 (1) | Tony Sylvester | Submission (standing guillotine choke) | Ultimate Glory 11: A Decade of Fights | October 17, 2009 | 1 | 1:23 | Amsterdam, Netherlands | |
Win | 29–11 (1) | Gary Goodridge | Submission (kimura) | Ultimate Glory 10: The Battle of Arnhem | November 9, 2008 | 1 | 1:42 | Arnhem, Netherlands | |
NC | 28–11 (1) | Mirko Filipovic | No contest (knee to the groin) | Dream 6 | September 23, 2008 | 1 | 6:09 | Saitama, Saitama, Japan | Overeem kneed Cro Cop two times in the groin |
Win | 28–11 | Mark Hunt | Submission (keylock) | Dream 5 | July 21, 2008 | 1 | 1:11 | Osaka, Osaka, Japan | |
Win | 27–11 | Lee Tae-Hyun | KO (punches & knee) | Dream 4 | June 15, 2008 | 1 | 0:36 | Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan | |
Win | 26–11 | Paul Buentello | Submission (knees to the body) | Strikeforce: Four Men Enter, One Man Survives | November 16, 2007 | 2 | 3:42 | San Jose, California, United States | Won inaugural Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship |
Loss | 25–11 | Sergei Kharitonov | KO (punch) | Hero's 10 | September 17, 2007 | 1 | 4:21 | Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan | |
Win | 25–10 | Michael Knaap | Submission (guillotine choke) | K-1 World Grand Prix 2007 in Amsterdam | June 23, 2007 | 1 | 4:51 | Amsterdam, Netherlands | Moves up to Heavyweight full-time |
Loss | 23–7 | Fabricio Werdum | Submission (kimura) | Pride Total Elimination Absolute | May 5, 2006 | 2 | 3:43 | Osaka, Osaka, Japan | Pride 2006 Openweight Grand Prix Opening Round |
Win | 22–6 | Sergei Kharitonov | TKO (knees) | Pride 31 | February 26, 2006 | 1 | 5:13 | Saitama, Saitama, Japan | Moves up to Heavyweight |
AA was on a 5 fight winning streak and the reason for his departure was that his contract expired (Dana expressed regret about letting him get away) and Sylvia lost his previous fight against Nog (which was the interim championship) and asked for his release.Weren't arlovsky and Sylvia on like 3 fight losing streaks and banned from ufc going into their fights with fedor? as well his many losses in sf were embarrassing. Almost as bad as his "wins" in over these former ufc "greats"
Mike Tyson's final fight and loss to Kevin McBride was "embarrassing" but does anyone make the argument that Kevin McBride was a greater fighter than Tyson?Weren't arlovsky and Sylvia on like 3 fight losing streaks and banned from ufc going into their fights with fedor? as well his many losses in sf were embarrassing. Almost as bad as his "wins" in over these former ufc "greats"
New? LOL........been there since UFC #1 early 90's. PRIDE for at least half of their run.....Both guys were "released" from UFC either way, obviously they were either not performing or had lost several fights in a row. the whole "i want my release randomly" is pretty fraudulent. I will go look this up to see if what you posted was accurate or not. I don't keep files on each fighter and their W-L, I go by what i recall.........AA was on a 5 fight winning streak and the reason for his departure was that his contract expired (Dana expressed regret about letting him get away) and Sylvia lost his previous fight against Nog (which was the interim championship) and asked for his release.
This is just further proof that so many people are new to MMA and have not been following it long enough to make informed opinions.
dude, c'mon now man.......he was submitted by werdum right, then he was beaten half to death and within an inch of his life by bigfoot sylva and hendo.....I was waiting for him to be exposed finally in SF, since I feel his opponents previously left a LOT to be desired.....he avoided overeem as if his life depended on it.....he got lucky beating rogers....then was submitted and then beaten horribly by the next two guys. funny how once he got on Live american TV FINALLY.....he lost 3 in a row, and WOW fighting world class guys in their prime..go figure. He is a fraud, I've said this for years waiting for him to A) fight top competition and B) fight live in the UFC or SF or wherever here in the USA.Mike Tyson's final fight and loss to Kevin McBride was "embarrassing" but does anyone make the argument that Kevin McBride was a greater fighter than Tyson?
I don't think so.
Well thats cool Rodja after this thread is over maybe u and Fedor can get an apartment together. Lets look at the Hendo and Fedor fight, I am a Hendo fan but do u think he would have even been a challenge for Overeem. I mean u bring up Fedors titles I was just saying Overeem holds the other three biggest titles in combat sports (besides the UFC). I mean unless WAMMA and rings u consider to be huge events full of the greatest fighters. Your right Fedor should have been in line for the SF title after the win against Rogers but Fedor and his management were ducking Overeem. Go ahead and post some bull**** saying he wasnt ducking him, or that Fedor would've stood a chance anyway. I forgot I was talking to MMAs best historian and know it all you r the greatest man don't let anybody tell u different.
Thanks for sticking to the topic... lol... ya man, I am freakin' AMPED for this fight!Still excited for this fight.LOL
Put him in the UFC on a 3 fight contract? He'll be beaten and bloodied or submitted in EVERY ONE of the the 3 fights and dana will send him on his way. He'll be 0-6 in the "big leagues" here in the USA. Dana will not let him fight any stiffs, he'll line him right up with brock or overeem or dos santos (OK I admit he will KO lesnar, but thats it LOL)....whoever. They will bust his ass just like the guys did in SF. I'd LOVE to see it, sign him up dana.lol
Well I can't wait for this fight, I do think Lesnar is underrated, check out the interview with Jay Hieron http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Jay-Hieron-Brock-Lesnar-is-a-whole-different-animal.html
I think Alistar will win, I think hes in Brocks head, if Overreem can stuff a takedown and land 1 decent shot to Brock, I think Brock is going to worry so much he is gonna get KO'd
I don't know what to think about Fedor, he looks wicked training, all his fights he has looked wicked in, not counting his last 3.........I think the Werdum fight was luck, he had him dropped and was overzealous, same with the Henderson fight. Big Foot there was just too much of a size difference. I would love to see Fedor fight at 205.
LOL, I did laugh at this....pretty funny albeit an old line. Not sure why some people "in the MMA media" or "MMA experts" are so hyped on this guy (fedor)....They so bad want "the legend" to be "true", even when he is beaten and bloodied 3 times in a row....they are exalting him as the greatest ever. I suppose fighting old over the hill decrepit mark coleman who just bear hugged his legs and held on for dear life really put fedors career over the top LOL or maybe it was fighting brett rogers, that was another impressive win. too bad he lost to all the guys who were top flight and in their prime....OH shouldn't the greatest of all time be able to beat those guys? or at least ONE of them? BWA!.......Well thats cool Rodja after this thread is over maybe u and Fedor can get an apartment together. .
BWAHAHAHA! lets be real, overeem just pulled out of the SF grand prix deal recently, lesnar fell ill what? twice? for big fights.... if I recall correct in the last year or two. its like the battle of the sickly injured big guys......who, if either of them, will make it to the fight in one piece? LOLDon't say that!!! lol
Now you jinxed it :lol:
O no, this reminds me of........[video=youtube;Gqw1FI1hfJA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqw1FI1hfJA[/video]BWAHAHAHA! lets be real, overeem just pulled out of the SF grand prix deal recently, lesnar fell ill what? twice? for big fights.... if I recall correct in the last year or two. its like the battle of the sickly injured big guys......who, if either of them, will make it to the fight in one piece? LOL
yeah but overeem should have run the tournament out just to please the fans.....the fans were looking forward to seeing him fight whoever, especially fedor, but any of the other big names would have sufficed......f-ing over the fans like that might be part of the reason he gets a bad name among many MMA fans. He can't always think about what he wants or what is best for him, sometimes you just gotta fight who they put in front of you and please the mob.Yeah they both have had some injuries. I hope this drug testing issue with Overeem is good and the fight actually happens. I do think Overeem pulled out of the SF GP because he had no other fights left that were appealing he already avenged the loss to Werdum and Fedor had been beat up too so why would he stay in the GP to win a chance to fight the SF champ pointless he had the belt already, I think the whole point of the GP was to try and match up him and Fedor.
Yeah thats true I was looking forward to seeing maybe him and Barnett. I was pretty pissed when he backed out.yeah but overeem should have run the tournament out just to please the fans.....the fans were looking forward to seeing him fight whoever, especially fedor, but any of the other big names would have sufficed......f-ing over the fans like that might be part of the reason he gets a bad name among many MMA fans. He can't always think about what he wants or what is best for him, sometimes you just gotta fight who they put in front of you and please the mob.
That is exactly what I was thinking, barnett vs overeem....what a fight right? I like to see barnett fight just about anybody, that guy is crazy as fuq lol. and oddly enough smart as well.Yeah thats true I was looking forward to seeing maybe him and Barnett. I was pretty pissed when he backed out.
Fedor never had a clean shot on werdum in that fight. The punch grazed him and werdum was already falling back when fedor threw it. Werdum just played possum and fedor fell for it hook line and sinker. So no the werdum fight wasn't luck, fedor just got caught.lol
Well I can't wait for this fight, I do think Lesnar is underrated, check out the interview with Jay Hieron http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Jay-Hieron-Brock-Lesnar-is-a-whole-different-animal.html
I think Alistar will win, I think hes in Brocks head, if Overreem can stuff a takedown and land 1 decent shot to Brock, I think Brock is going to worry so much he is gonna get KO'd
I don't know what to think about Fedor, he looks wicked training, all his fights he has looked wicked in, not counting his last 3.........I think the Werdum fight was luck, he had him dropped and was overzealous, same with the Henderson fight. Big Foot there was just too much of a size difference. I would love to see Fedor fight at 205.
I agree with this. Too many people are trying to be Fedor detractors due to the Zuffa influence on MMA in the US.Fedor never had a clean shot on werdum in that fight. The punch grazed him and werdum was already falling back when fedor threw it. Werdum just played possum and fedor fell for it hook line and sinker. So no the werdum fight wasn't luck, fedor just got caught.
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