Strikeforce Heavyweight Tournament
- 01-27-2011, 03:14 PM
- 01-27-2011, 03:20 PM
02-03-2011, 11:53 AM
oh the good 'ole days when men could give into all their vices in a single night with no flack from the government
02-03-2011, 12:04 PM
02-03-2011, 12:14 PM
I actually don't like a 1-night format. You end up getting a bad product most of the time due to accumulated damage. Look at all of the Pride GP finals, especially some of the later ones. For example, the last WW GP had a final match of Denis Kang with a torn bicep against Kazuo Misaki who was beaten by Paulo Filho the same night, but was unable to continue due to injury. Basically, a dude loses in the semis and then, by default, gets a spot in the finals.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
02-03-2011, 12:41 PM
im about to buy tickets for Fedor/Big Foot. its like an hour away from me and perfect to take my girl on V-day, we both train mma so it works lol
only thing is the seats are probably gonna be nosebleed, anyone ever sit at the top for a mma fight? is it worth it?
BJJ = life
02-03-2011, 12:47 PM
02-03-2011, 12:50 PM
02-03-2011, 01:39 PM
02-04-2011, 10:58 AM
Overeem is used to the tourny format so I would say he has the upper hand, but in the fight game anything can happen. I am curious to see how fedor does and if he stays in the tournament. Best of luck to all and should be a great show either way .
02-04-2011, 11:11 AM
02-12-2011, 06:52 PM
anyone check out the weigh ins...this should be a good fight card tonight..Arloski didnt look as ripped as he normally does..guess he is trying to keep up weight for more power..they were all very heavy
02-12-2011, 07:52 PM
I want to see Overeem fight Fedor...I honestly feel like Overeem would destroy him, unless he got caught on the ground somehow.
02-12-2011, 08:03 PM
02-13-2011, 12:52 AM
02-13-2011, 12:52 AM
02-13-2011, 01:03 AM
02-13-2011, 01:04 AM
02-13-2011, 01:11 AM
he's fought bs and hand picked opponents to protect his aura ever since he left PRIDE. he is a good fighter no question, but he isn't as "great" as people claim
02-13-2011, 01:41 AM
Whether you care to take note of it or not, both Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski were not only consensus top five heavyweights when Fyodor faced them, but more directly to your point, were the best available options given promotional constraints. Similarly, and again whether you choose to accord it, Brett Rogers was a consensus top ten opponent at the time of their bout.
Now, based on your tone of thought here, my inclination is that your response is to revise history based on the various permutations each fighter's history has taken since then. Hindsight, as they say, is always 20/20.
I choose instead to judge fighter based on the quality of their opponents as their opponents were considered at the time - I task that becomes exceedingly difficult when you believe things like, "Fyodor left PRIDE." (Fyodor was under contract to PRIDE FC when it collapsed.)
Judging the trajectory of Fyodor's career under that rubric, it becomes apparent that his quantum of opponents, even recently, is no more or less shameful than many of the other top HWs. Are Cain Velasquez's last five opponents, at the time he faced them, equal to or greater in comparative relevance to Silva, Werdum, Rogers, Arlovski and Sylvia? Well, to put a complex issue simply, no.
Simply put, Fyodor is a phenomenal fighter whose legacy speaks for itself to anybody not listening with a bias-tinged ear. He has clearly followed the well-trodden path of a quick descent from grace that has beset fighters throughout the entire history of combat sports - a fact, however, that ought not broad stroke the storied ascension which came before it.
02-13-2011, 01:47 AM
02-13-2011, 06:33 AM
All great fighters fall at a certain point. That is what we witnessed tonight. He was the greatest HW of all time, but now he no longer is. End of
02-13-2011, 11:46 AM
02-13-2011, 11:53 AM
02-13-2011, 12:40 PM
Werdum was a fluke, a mistake by Fedor which Werdum capitalized on greatly, but Fedor was winning that fight and for a moment I thought Werdum was done.
Big Foot is a MASSIVE opponent, which is a development of the sport, and it really took Fedor, who is no longer a young gun and manhandled him then.
It happens, it's a shame to see a legend lose, but what can one say, everyone's got their time and this is Fedor's time.
02-13-2011, 01:45 PM
At the time of the Arlovski/Fyodor bout, Arlovksi had just destroyed Roy Nelson - something Dos Santos failed to do in three rounds - and brutalized Ben Rothwell, a mutual achievement between himself and Velasquez.
Now, based on your comments here regarding the UFC, one would naturally assume that you feel Dos Santos and Velasquez are elite HWs; and, no doubt, you therefore consider their victories over Nelson and Rothwell to be principal to that status. If that is true, which I think it is, than we should hold 2008-Arlovski in a similarly high regard. Well, Fyodor destroyed that Arlovski.
The issue is that fighters are not elite simply by virtue of being in the UFC, but rather, the UFC happens to be possessive of the overwhelming majority of elite fighters. On close inspection based on talent, the UFC's and SF's HW divisions are more or less on par with one another - making the project of diminishing Fyodor's entire career based on his SF opposition a very unattractive prospect.
02-13-2011, 03:45 PM
People seem to completely underestimate the impact of being a 285lb going against a 230...
Same deal as Brock on the UFC. Having 285lb on top of you is just ridiculous.
02-13-2011, 03:59 PM
02-13-2011, 04:13 PM
Now, Carwin, Mir, Schuab, Nelson, and Nog are still great fighters, but are either limited or past their respective primes.
When you stack up against the top-8 of SF and the UFC, I give the advantage of depth and achievements to the SF roster. I easily think that 5 of SF's fighters could hold the UFC championship this moment (Barnett, Overeem, Kharitonov, Bigfoot, Fedor), but can't see anyone holding the UFC title outside of the aforementioned top-3.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
02-13-2011, 04:34 PM
Well it doesn't matter, but I disagree wholeheartedly...Overeem is on another planet athletically as compared to kharitonov and bigfoot, just as I feel that Lesnar, Dos Santos, Carwin and Velasquez are. ...Guys like Kharitonov and Bigfoot can beat you if you do something stupid, which is why combat sports are so great... but 7-8 times out of 10 they have no business being in the ring with the elite guys we are talking about. And Fedor proved last night that the game has just changed too much on him.....guys that know how to use their size to their advantage (and also have good chins) will beat him most of the time if they are also submission savvy.
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