BROCKTOBERFEST/HOW DOES CAIN BEAT LESNAR??

[Bionic]

Anyone know the protein content of crow?

[n87]

... potential pugilistic prognostications patently probabilistic... ()

That's a real tongue twister, can you just type "5p" instead next time

[Mulletsoldier]

I know sheilds has beaten them both..but had already peaked at his fight game when he did so...whereas condit and okami have both evloved into better fighters now...and as far as people going nuts for condit...his win over hardy was not that significant to me....hardy was an over hyped title contender who has no wrestling or ground game and a boxing style that is wide open to picked apart... my arguement for condit beating shields is merely an example of fighters who are not even in the league of gsp or kos that would beat sheilds plain and simple....and like i said , sheilds is the same fighter he has always been and would probably get beat in rematches against guys he has beatne before...especially mayhem miller.

First, a bit of an aside: I am confused as to how Josh Koscheck has been transformed into this viable and dangerous contender, seemingly overnight.

This is precisely the same fighter who is 6-2 since losing to GSP, who possesses only a single win over (arguably) top ten competition during that period, and who failed to once take down an opponent who GSP brutalized (Alves) both on the feet and on the ground. And we are to believe that Kos' wrestling is going to be the decisive factor, here?

Not meaning to single you out, but the MMA community now refers to the top of the division as "GSP and Kos," while Fitch and an in-shape Alves would destroy Kos, and I believe Kampmann and Condit could pose issues to him as well.

At any rate, I disagree with your assessment of Shields. While he has not developed into a GSP-esque "jack of all trades," he has certainly improved upon his ground game - most notably his transitions and positional dominance. To say that he was at his "peak" when he beat Condit and Okami largely ignores the fact his current stage is traditionally considered the "peak" of an athlete's career.

While GSP will destroy him, should he beat Kos, I think Shields is not an easy win for anybody - either at MW, or WW.

[AE14]

First, a bit of an aside: I am confused as to how Josh Koscheck has been transformed into this viable and dangerous contender, seemingly overnight.

This is precisely the same fighter who is 6-2 since losing to GSP, who possesses only a single win over (arguably) top ten competition during that period, and who failed to once take down an opponent who GSP brutalized (Alves) both on the feet and on the ground. And we are to believe that Kos' wrestling is going to be the decisive factor, here?

Not meaning to single you out, but the MMA community now refers to the top of the division as "GSP and Kos," while Fitch and an in-shape Alves would destroy Kos, and I believe Kampmann and Condit could pose issues to him as well.

At any rate, I disagree with your assessment of Shields. While he has not developed into a GSP-esque "jack of all trades," he has certainly improved upon his ground game - most notably his transitions and positional dominance. To say that he was at his "peak" when he beat Condit and Okami largely ignores the fact his current stage is traditionally considered the "peak" of an athlete's career.

While GSP will destroy him, should he beat Kos, I think Shields is not an easy win for anybody - either at MW, or WW.

couldnt agree more. I see more of a threat at 185 than 170, unless he improves his conditioning.

For it to be said that Shields peaked already exemplifies a personal knowledge of Shields that no one here has, and therefore negates that point entirely imo

[iron fists]

when I refer to him his peak i am not talking about his physical ability limit..i am talking about his fight game.....does sheilds fight any differently now than he did before?? to me he looks the same, moves the same, has the same skill set, and fights the same each time with the exception of an early submission like on lawler..( but really not a significant win).sheilds ground has improved but he held on for life to beat miller, coudlnt finish an injured hendo from mount with 20 minutes to do so, and merely just keep a step ahead of kampman on the ground when martin was getting back up. and kos is referred to at the top because he is...he has lost fights but...he got caught by thiago and really cant really criticize him for that cuz he is not a slouch and...people do get caught. as far alves goes, kos took that fight on a two week notice so im not going to argue his performance there becuase the fact that he took the fight on such a short notice against alves at that point in his career says enough itself. kos will lose to gsp...but he wont get dominated the way gsp did to fitch. i do think condit would be tough for kos. but shelds has a better chance a ww than he does mw .

[Mulletsoldier]

when I refer to him his peak i am not talking about his physical ability limit..i am talking about his fight game.....does sheilds fight any differently now than he did before?? to me he looks the same, moves the same, has the same skill set, and fights the same each time with the exception of an early submission like on lawler..( but really not a significant win).sheilds ground has improved but he held on for life to beat miller, coudlnt finish an injured hendo from mount with 20 minutes to do so, and merely just keep a step ahead of kampman on the ground when martin was getting back up.

With all due respect, this is simply inaccurate. Prior to the Miller fight, Jake Shields had eight consecutive finishes, two of which via strikes. Like any fighter, Shields has evolved his game, though his happens to be within a narrow skill-set. No fighter drastically transcends "the way they fought before," and nor should they in the case of wildly successful ones.

and kos is referred to at the top because he is...he has lost fights but...he got caught by thiago and really cant really criticize him for that cuz he is not a slouch and...people do get caught. as far alves goes, kos took that fight on a two week notice so im not going to argue his performance there becuase the fact that he took the fight on such a short notice against alves at that point in his career says enough itself. kos will lose to gsp...but he wont get dominated the way gsp did to fitch. i do think condit would be tough for kos. but shelds has a better chance a ww than he does mw .

In three years, a period in which he has three losses, Josh Koscheck's most significant win is Paul Daley. That is my counterpoint, and a damn good one.

[Matsch22]

Lesnars stand up is so bad. Dissapointed in Brock. He needs to hit the gym and work with some kickboxers. Wouldn't be worth the rematch right now.

[iron fists]

yeah but if daley won..then what would have made the case to give him the title shot?? and who has fitch beat that is top ten??? and his last thiago alves win is irrelevant as thiago was beat before he walked into the cage and fitch still couldnt finish him. other than that and his first win oveer thiago fitch had only beat diego when diego was still goin hard, and then it was a split decision.

[Mulletsoldier]

yeah but if daley won..then what would have made the case to give him the title shot?? and who has fitch beat that is top ten??? and his last thiago alves win is irrelevant as thiago was beat before he walked into the cage and fitch still couldnt finish him. other than that and his first win oveer thiago fitch had only beat diego when diego was still goin hard, and then it was a split decision.

The UFC awards title shots as often for convenience and revenue as it does deservedness, so assessing a fighter's merits by that rubric just begs the question all over again.

At any rate, Fitch had won sixteen consecutive bouts prior to the GSP loss - or in other words, more victories than Koscheck has total - and has won five since it. Ironically enough, he beat the very people that Koscheck lost to during that same period, in Alves and Paulo Thiago.

The reality is that Koscheck is receiving a very large promotional push, and this has vastly inflated public perception of his fighting ability. I think Kos is an explosive athlete, has a very effective double leg, and has become increasingly effective on the feet. That being said, he is currently being overrated and your statements are part of that.

[iron fists]

I dont think im over rating him..but he is being promoted like a ww tito like bad boy, but i also think too that the way he fights vs the way fitch does is a drastically different fan base draw and more often than not..more people would rather see fitch on the undercard than pay to have him take up 15 mins of ppv whereas kos will put on a show a create the draw. and fitches performance aginst ben sauders did not show anything worthy of title shot especially when saunders is not even a top 15 ww. i will give you the paulo win but mike peirce and gona are not top 15 either...and kos would have beat the thiago alves fitch just fought, hell hughes would have beaten that alves too.

[bigwhiteguy29]

Jon Fitch.....Dana hates him. I forget they had some sort of dispute with a couple AKA guys. I think Swick and maybe Fitch? I cant remember also Dana says hes very boring and throws him easy fights. I remember he was in the prelims a few fights ago, I was like WTF? Then I think they bumped him last min.

GSP would kill Jake Shields


I think Kos is not that bad of a fight for GSP. I think he will bang and wrestle. Its gonig to be a better fight than thiago Alves and GSP.

[iron fists]

yeah fitch has been thrown some easier fights than kos and still couldnt finfish them..bu the dispute between fitch and dana was when ea sports came out with there mma game and fitch was still gona be on it despite the ufc telling them no, and when fitch still did it, the ufc was gona end his contract and cut him....which sounds like it would have been a good move.

[Rodja]

yeah fitch has been thrown some easier fights than kos and still couldnt finfish them..bu the dispute between fitch and dana was when ea sports came out with there mma game and fitch was still gona be on it despite the ufc telling them no, and when fitch still did it, the ufc was gona end his contract and cut him....which sounds like it would have been a good move.

Not quite. The UFC wanted Fitch to sign over his likeness and name over in a lifetime contract for their game. Originally, he refused and the UFC released him, but it was only for about 24 hours.

[SamuraiSid]

Not quite. The UFC wanted Fitch to sign over his likeness and name over in a lifetime contract for their game. Originally, he refused and the UFC released him, but it was only for about 24 hours.

Its my understanding that the UFC is now making all there new contracts with the "likeness" stipulation. I understand why the UFC is doing this, but still dont agree. If your going to throw your fighter into a video game, you should also maybe throw them a little extra cash.

Whatever, Dana is a douche!

[Rodja]

Its my understanding that the UFC is now making all there new contracts with the "likeness" stipulation. I understand why the UFC is doing this, but still dont agree. If your going to throw your fighter into a video game, you should also maybe throw them a little extra cash.

Whatever, Dana is a douche!

I wouldn't doubt that at all.

[iron fists]

well i knew it had something to do with a video game.

[bigwhiteguy29]

I dont understand what it means? Your rights in a game? Like how Barry Bonds isnt in any Baseball gmaes, hes just a black left fielder lol

[ChrisSurf]

Its my understanding that the UFC is now making all there new contracts with the "likeness" stipulation. I understand why the UFC is doing this, but still dont agree. If your going to throw your fighter into a video game, you should also maybe throw them a little extra cash.

Whatever, Dana is a douche!

Dana is a douche but he's also a marketing genius and knows what he's doing... it's like you like and hate him at the same time lol. I agree on the video game thing, plus they could offer the fighters more period.. their pay days are a tiny fraction of what the zuffas bring in.

Personally I don't mind the events every month vs the ol days of some free ones and then main events like every couple of months if that... sucked waiting so long for events that would end up sucking. At least with every month it's a numbers game be some sucky ones and rest are generally good overall.