Lesnar VS Carwin

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  1. carwins strategy might be to go for the submission.

    i truely believe that is lesnars weak spot.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Well said!
    Hey someone liked a point I made.... cool lol.
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  3. If Lesnar is not really recovered from the surgery that will be his best shot. If he is I think Carwin will taste defeat.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Jake Fires View Post
    carwins strategy might be to go for the submission.

    i truely believe that is lesnars weak spot.
    If Mir could not submit Lesnar off his back in the second bout, I personally give little chance to Carwin.

  5. I'm putting my money on carwin ... I believe carwin is much more well rounded then lesnar but it should be a very eventfull fight

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    If Carwin was 'wrestling quality X' prior to becoming a mixed martial artist, and Lesnar was 'wrestling quality Y' prior to becoming a mixed martial artist, than ceretis paribus (both continuing to work on their wrestling) than Lesnar will still be a 'Y' to Carwin's 'X'. Whether or not they have wrestled on a mat in the NCAA tournament in ten years is completely irrelevant to that.
    This is why I questioned it in the first place, Carwin stayed involved in college wrestling(coaching)through 04', then started fighting professionally in 05'. Lesnar had a 6 year hiatus while he pursued the WWE and football.

    I know the differences between D 1 and D 2 are huge; I am simply suggesting that what they did between 2000-2006 MAY have allowed Carwin to close that gap a little. But as I stated before, this all stemmed from an erroneous fact: that they were the same size.

    Now that Lesnar brings what I would call a significant size advantage, I retract my statements about the wrestling not being as big of an issue. Either way, its going to be thrilling fight that either guy could end in seconds. Im still taking Carwin 2nd rd KO.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Vtaper View Post
    This is why I questioned it in the first place, Carwin stayed involved in college wrestling(coaching)through 04', then started fighting professionally in 05'. Lesnar had a 6 year hiatus while he pursued the WWE and football.
    Which is fine, but you have to recall that they had wrestled for 20+ years before that. As Tomahawk said, the largest difference was talent: something that is not necessarily an issue of time spent, coaching, etc., but simply natural skill. You never lose that - except to age - and so the difference in their wrestling talent is as great as it was back then.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Which is fine, but you have to recall that they had wrestled for 20+ years before that. As Tomahawk said, the largest difference was talent: something that is not necessarily an issue of time spent, coaching, etc., but simply natural skill. You never lose that - except to age - and so the difference in their wrestling talent is as great as it was back then.
    Agreed, there is a huge difference between D1 and D2 in all aspects. There is a reason that Carwin (no disrespect) went D2, the D1 schools did not think he was at that level.

  9. carwin got so much power though he just killed mier like he has the strongest hand i have ever seen in my life

  10. This is not a wrestling match, so the differences will mean little. I still say Lesnar has to suffer ring rust due to illness/surgery which means we will probably see a rematch.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    This is not a wrestling match
    Do you watch much MMA as of late, or ever? Haha.

  12. Another thing about the wrestling issue: Lesnar's training partners are much larger and accredited wrestlers than Carwin's.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    This is not a wrestling match, so the differences will mean little. I still say Lesnar has to suffer ring rust due to illness/surgery which means we will probably see a rematch.
    I gurantee u Lesnar goes to takedown Carwin pretty damn quick.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    I gurantee u Lesnar goes to takedown Carwin pretty damn quick.
    I agree and if he does it is goodbye Carwin. If Lesnar does not take him down he risks getting knocked out.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    I agree and if he does it is goodbye Carwin. If Lesnar does not take him down he risks getting knocked out.
    Agreed, this could look a lot like Lesnar Mir II or Carwin/Mir dpeending on who can institute their game plan first

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Agreed, this could look a lot like Lesnar Mir II or Carwin/Mir dpeending on who can institute their game plan first
    This is more than likely the determining factor.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Vtaper View Post
    This is why I questioned it in the first place, Carwin stayed involved in college wrestling(coaching)through 04', then started fighting professionally in 05'. Lesnar had a 6 year hiatus while he pursued the WWE and football.

    I know the differences between D 1 and D 2 are huge; I am simply suggesting that what they did between 2000-2006 MAY have allowed Carwin to close that gap a little. But as I stated before, this all stemmed from an erroneous fact: that they were the same size.

    Now that Lesnar brings what I would call a significant size advantage, I retract my statements about the wrestling not being as big of an issue. Either way, its going to be thrilling fight that either guy could end in seconds. Im still taking Carwin 2nd rd KO.
    Dont forget that during that 6 year hiatus Brock juiced his a$$ off, especially in WWE. everyone knows it, whoever thinks he didnt is naive. whether that made a difference towards making him an even more powerful manchild, i dont know, but im leaning towards yes.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    Dont forget that during that 6 year hiatus Brock juiced his a$$ off, especially in WWE. everyone knows it, whoever thinks he didnt is naive. whether that made a difference towards making him an even more powerful manchild, i dont know, but im leaning towards yes.
    And no other MMA pro has not juiced in the past. If you believe that then your naive. HGH is still not detectable nor can you detect some of the peptides that are out now IGF-1 LR3 as a example. Lesnar was a beast is high school. There is no question that he has used stuff but I also have no doubt that 85-90% of the current pro have or still are using PEDS. Here is a pic of him in college where he was tested many times for steriods.

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  19. My friend who fights has had a two personal encounters with a seller (who is actually a pro card holding bodybuilder) on their way to Xtreme Couture. That doesn't directly implicate anything or anyone, but he doesn't go to Xtreme Couture with his goods just to say hello. (Primarily selling Anavar to be exact).

    I can't speak for anywhere else, but even the amateur circuits around L.A. are roid & growth infected. Hell, even the BJJ tournament circuits are roid & growth infected (around here).
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  20. Thats funny,because I heard the same thing about Xtreme Couture...actually about most MMA fighters.

  21. I know there is a ton of usage here in TX. It's also partially because they're ignorant to what they are; I saw 1 fighter take 3-4 HD before a fight and thought it was just a test booster.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I know there is a ton of usage here in TX. It's also partially because they're ignorant to what they are; I saw 1 fighter take 3-4 HD before a fight and thought it was just a test booster.


    Was it our mongolian beef buddy? Haha

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jcross View Post
    Was it our mongolian beef buddy? Haha
    That was in the land of loaded gloves AKA Louisiana.
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  24. I've been reffering to Carwin as The Brockslayer for a long time now and am not about to stop Lesnar said he was "seeing tweety birds" after one of the shots he took from Mir . I think it was an uppercut and Carwin hits waaay harder than Mir . Brock will go to sleep in the first round and Shane's cardio will still go untested .
    Forgive me if I'm way off base about this but isn't the only difference between the aforementioned wrestling divisions school size ? More students - "better" division ?
    I like Cain's tat , no harm in rep'ing your heritage . Also I support Lyle "Fancypants" Beerholm's White Pride chest banner . I am white and very happy with it . Granted I am not self-admitted-reformed-skinhead-who-puts-a-large-bandaid-over-his-swastika-tat-during-his-fights . But there is also the fact that there is an extremely violent streetgang out west who call themselves Brown Pride . Got to look a little deeper sometimes I say .

  25. Quote Originally Posted by sonofsteven View Post
    Forgive me if I'm way off base about this but isn't the only difference between the aforementioned wrestling divisions school size ? More students - "better" division ?
    No, the only difference is a massive divergence in talent. Haha.

    Seriously, though: teams that would traditionally qualify for "DII" status viz., size can play in the DI just so long as they recruit properly and perform. Really cannot stress the sheer difference in talent between a DI and DII school. Absolutely massive.

  26. Division 1 teams have to sponsor at least 7 sports for men and 7 for women. To play at the D-1A level it's mostly about attendance requirements in football. 30,000 permanent seats in their stadium and average 17,000 per home game or 20,000 average of all football games in the last four years.

    Division 2 has to sponsor at least 4 and 4 sports for men and women.

    Obviously the talent gets progressively worse as you go from D-1A to D-1AA and D2 on down.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by sonofsteven View Post
    I've been reffering to Carwin as The Brockslayer for a long time now and am not about to stop Lesnar said he was "seeing tweety birds" after one of the shots he took from Mir . I think it was an uppercut and Carwin hits waaay harder than Mir . Brock will go to sleep in the first round and Shane's cardio will still go untested .
    Forgive me if I'm way off base about this but isn't the only difference between the aforementioned wrestling divisions school size ? More students - "better" division ?
    I like Cain's tat , no harm in rep'ing your heritage . Also I support Lyle "Fancypants" Beerholm's White Pride chest banner . I am white and very happy with it . Granted I am not self-admitted-reformed-skinhead-who-puts-a-large-bandaid-over-his-swastika-tat-during-his-fights . But there is also the fact that there is an extremely violent streetgang out west who call themselves Brown Pride . Got to look a little deeper sometimes I say .
    D1 to D2 is largely a variance in Talent. Cal State Fullerton Baseball is in Division I, but the college is maybe a quarter of the size of a UC college, like UCLA, USC, UC Santa Barbara.... etc.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Do you watch much MMA as of late, or ever? Haha.
    I said, this is not going to be a wrestling match not that there would be zero wrestling.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    I said, this is not going to be a wrestling match not that there would be zero wrestling.
    Not that it matters, but no, you said, "this is not a wrestling match, so the differences will mean little." The point being that wrestling differences are absolutely massive in MMA, as any recent card will show you.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    I gurantee u Lesnar goes to takedown Carwin pretty damn quick.
    Agreed. I see Lesnar using knees, elbows, and takedowns. Assuming he is in control. I still say he loses partly due to ring rust.
  

  
 

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