Evans vs Jackson
- 06-01-2010, 10:05 AM
- 06-01-2010, 01:41 PM
There are about 0 good boxers in MMA.
Andrew - pretty sure Mullet ate your weight in chicken yesterday.
06-01-2010, 01:52 PM
06-01-2010, 02:01 PM
But a traditional, orthodox stance is simply ineffective for MMA, as it leaves too much open (more difficult to check leg kicks, stuff a TD, etc.)
And yes, I ate that much in chicken and unflavored rice cakes yesterday. Today, however, I am dying: I have not drunk any water or tasted anything with sodium in it for almost twenty-four hours.
06-01-2010, 02:32 PM
Its not necessarily a BAD thing that none of the MMA guys can't box... because as you point out - only certain aspects of boxing are valuable in MMA (most notably kinetic leverage, feinting, head movement, etc)... but the stance is garbage - as is the defense (for the most part)...
But of course the announcers will have you believe that guys like BJ Penn and Nate Diaz are "world class boxers" which makes me f*cking ... In a pure boxing match, those guys would get cleaned out by most mid level prospects.
Before the MMA hordes start beaning on me - I'm also of the opinion that most boxers would get housed in an MMA contest as well.. It's just completely different games.
Mullet... quit teasing me with your nutrient timing stuff and come give me a lesson on my thread. I'm tired of being fat.
06-01-2010, 02:33 PM
06-01-2010, 03:13 PM
06-01-2010, 03:25 PM
And to validate your point, there is actually a video of A. Silva sparring at Freddie Roach's gym, and the awkwardness of his boxing is really shown against a more technically sound opponent, who is also unknown.
06-01-2010, 03:28 PM
Freddie Roach, who has forgotten more about boxing than any of us will ever know, has praised both BJ and Anderson Silva's boxing. At first, he had a low opinion of Andy because of his performance in his gym, but he changed his stance after realizing he is not a "gym fighter."
Also, Rog Nog has the best boxing in MMA. His years of training with the Cubans, easily the most technical boxers in the world, as well as his success in the Pan-Am games give him an impressive resume. He's the only fighter I've ever seen "tool" Dan Henderson in a fight.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-01-2010, 03:35 PM
With that being said, however, JDS' recent emergence and the buzz surrounding the Brazilian national boxing team is that he has the potential to medal in the Olympics.
06-01-2010, 03:35 PM
Roach also said the same thing about Arlovsky, who got KTFO with a single (boxing) punch from Brett Rodgers (who also can't box for sh*t)... Roach has maybe 2 more years to train before his body completely shuts down. He's gotta get that paper.
Not to say Silva is a BAD boxer... but he still would get dominated by a boxing prospect... Would last maybe 2 rounds with one of the Andre's (Ward, Dirrell)...
06-01-2010, 03:36 PM
And Freddie Roach called BJ the best striker in MMA which was important to remember, and that was immediately before he was thoroughly out-boxed by GSP. I take his comments with a grain of salt, in that regard.
06-01-2010, 03:40 PM
06-01-2010, 03:42 PM
I'm also not saying that Andy could be a legit force in boxing; I'm merely stating what has been said about his boxing skills. The difference between his boxing is that he understands and develops his range.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-01-2010, 03:43 PM
06-01-2010, 03:44 PM
06-02-2010, 12:41 PM
I think Frankie certainly did his share of damage, but what gave him the edge in the judges eyes was that a lot of his activity, was perceived as damage inflicted.
If you disagree, that's fine, this is old news so there's no point in debating it. This was just my 2 cents.
NSCA - CSCS
06-06-2010, 01:45 AM
This fight dissapointed me I was really wanting to see a KO and not a decision .. Excited to see silva vs sonnen
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