Disappointing fight. A little surprised, but not shocked.
I was honestly not that disappointed in the fight. But then again, I expected to watch Rashad Evans and Quinton Jackson practice MMA, and I wound up watching just that.
If you allowed the hype to get to warp your perception of the fight, than I would say you ought to be disappointed in yourself, rather than the fight. And that is just a general comment, not directed toward any individual in particular.
Rashad's short-lived "Roy Jones Jr" performances ended quickly and swiftly with his knockout loss to Machida: afterward, it was clear he was going to go back to his wrestling base and maximize his potential to win, and we saw that with the Thiago Silva fight. Rashad was aware of Rampage's superior boxing, so there was little chance he was going to brawl with him - Forrest Griffin/Stephan Bonnar this was never going to be!
I saw a fairly tactical - if albeit slightly uneventful match - with some solid striking by Rashad, very good TD defense by Rampage, and gained some respect for Rashad insofar as keeping his composure in the third round. All-in-all, I got precisely what I was expecting, which was a very evenly matched, competitive bout.
[QUOTE=Mulletsoldier;2446483]Indeed - but it had nothing to do with maintaining a proper orthodox stance whatsoever (which Rashad would be, given he is right handed).
His knees were bent to maximize explosiveness with the TD; his feet were narrow, with his lead foot far further in front than one would normally see with an orthodox stance; his body was tilted at the hips, with a straight back, and his elbows were near the thighs for full extension of the arm to grab hold of Rampage during the shot. In other words, he maintained a proper wrestling base with ready penetration step to either a) clinch against the fence or b) shoot in for the double leg TD - you know, exactly the game plan he executed.
This was a wrestling stance, and that is what the other poster was alluding to: why Rashad was so incredibly low with a ready penetration step. Like so:
He has quick hands, but his boxing base, if we are talking about orthodox boxing, is far worse than Rampage's - I think you may be confusing the speed of his footwork and his more dynamic striking for a "good base." In reality, Rampage's hand positioning, tucked chin and the closer and more diagonal positioning of his feet gives him a) a better boxing defense than Rashad and b) a better ability to counter, in particular with the lead left or right hook. Again, I think you are letting their respective speeds fool you slightly here.
This is MMA, so overall, due to speed and athleticism, I may consider deeming Rashad the more "effective" striker "overall," but in terms of boxing fundamentals (what we are talking about) there is really no contest. So, if it is one of your bases, may be time to brush up! [/QUOTE]
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There are about 0 good boxers in MMA.
Andrew - pretty sure Mullet ate your weight in chicken yesterday.
But a traditional, orthodox stance is simply ineffective for MMA, as it leaves too much open (more difficult to check leg kicks, stuff a TD, etc.)
And yes, I ate that much in chicken and unflavored rice cakes yesterday. Today, however, I am dying: I have not drunk any water or tasted anything with sodium in it for almost twenty-four hours.
Its not necessarily a BAD thing that none of the MMA guys can't box... because as you point out - only certain aspects of boxing are valuable in MMA (most notably kinetic leverage, feinting, head movement, etc)... but the stance is garbage - as is the defense (for the most part)...
But of course the announcers will have you believe that guys like BJ Penn and Nate Diaz are "world class boxers" which makes me f*cking ... In a pure boxing match, those guys would get cleaned out by most mid level prospects.
Before the MMA hordes start beaning on me - I'm also of the opinion that most boxers would get housed in an MMA contest as well.. It's just completely different games.
Mullet... quit teasing me with your nutrient timing stuff and come give me a lesson on my thread. I'm tired of being fat.
And to validate your point, there is actually a video of A. Silva sparring at Freddie Roach's gym, and the awkwardness of his boxing is really shown against a more technically sound opponent, who is also unknown.
Freddie Roach, who has forgotten more about boxing than any of us will ever know, has praised both BJ and Anderson Silva's boxing. At first, he had a low opinion of Andy because of his performance in his gym, but he changed his stance after realizing he is not a "gym fighter."
Also, Rog Nog has the best boxing in MMA. His years of training with the Cubans, easily the most technical boxers in the world, as well as his success in the Pan-Am games give him an impressive resume. He's the only fighter I've ever seen "tool" Dan Henderson in a fight.
With that being said, however, JDS' recent emergence and the buzz surrounding the Brazilian national boxing team is that he has the potential to medal in the Olympics.
Roach also said the same thing about Arlovsky, who got KTFO with a single (boxing) punch from Brett Rodgers (who also can't box for sh*t)... Roach has maybe 2 more years to train before his body completely shuts down. He's gotta get that paper.
Not to say Silva is a BAD boxer... but he still would get dominated by a boxing prospect... Would last maybe 2 rounds with one of the Andre's (Ward, Dirrell)...
And Freddie Roach called BJ the best striker in MMA which was important to remember, and that was immediately before he was thoroughly out-boxed by GSP. I take his comments with a grain of salt, in that regard.
I'm also not saying that Andy could be a legit force in boxing; I'm merely stating what has been said about his boxing skills. The difference between his boxing is that he understands and develops his range.