UFC 112 Abu Dhabi

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  1. Yeeesh, it got testy in here.


    I agree with Rodja and Ironfist. The Penn decision was shenanigans. I don't know if I was quite as outraged as the Shogun/Machida, but shenanigans nonetheless.

    Anderson Silva should have just finished the fight, rather then emulate a Roy Jones, Jr. youtube highlight vid. The similarities are kind of laughable.

    Fun starts around 0:40 mark.

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  2. Roy Jones Jr was amazing beyond words in his prime.

    And with 40 KO's in 54 wins, he finished fights (or at least beat opponents senseless till the end).
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by wontstop985 View Post
    Roy Jones Jr was amazing beyond words in his prime.

    And with 40 KO's in 54 wins, he finished fights (or at least beat opponents senseless till the end).
    They actually have about the same rate of finishing fights.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by wontstop985 View Post
    Roy Jones Jr was amazing beyond words in his prime.

    And with 40 KO's in 54 wins, he finished fights (or at least beat opponents senseless till the end).
    I liked Roy Jones in his prime and I even liked his show boating. The difference is Andy put all of Roy's moves over a career into a single clown show, so it became an awkward display of excess.

    I didn't watch it, but I heard the recent Hopkins/Jones match went horrible and Hopkins schooled him, oh well...

    Here is the judges 45/50 explanation. He sounds completely bat$hit and who after reading this, can deem him mentally capable of judging a fight?

    So....Just returned from Abu Dhabi, and I haven't been in my duplex more than 20 minutes, when the Doorman calls me on the intercom in a state of panic.... Seems there are hundreds of moaning, howling ghouls in "RVCA" and "Prodigy/Hilo Boy" T-shirts surrounding the building like extras from "Zombieland"... And they're chanting "50/45!" over and over, and trying to push their way into the lobby..... Thank God the Father and Sonny Jesus none of them have the elevator key to my penthouse.....So I think I'm safe for awhile... Which gives me a little time to talk to you, my dear friends.

    So I'm wondering.....Should I tell you how I scored Penn/Edgar, and why, right now, up front? But that seems kinda like the Pope or the King back in the day, just writing down what he wants to say, and having one of his burly churls nail it to the door of the church for everyone to read...It seems a bit...distant, a bit 'above it all', don'tcha think? Because God knows I have plenty to say and no shortage of burly churls; no dearth of hulking familiars to do my bidding have I....

    Perhaps just announcing my presence is enough for now. Perhaps simply allowing some of you, my faithful friends and fellow MMA devotees, to say what YOU want to say is more....Democratic; more... Enlightened... A behaviour more consistent with a Progressive such as myself

    After all, isn't that my job? Isn't it incumbent upon me, as a Judge, to make myself available for your criticism? If I take the plane ride, and get to the venue, and score the fights, I have a kind of....Contract with the fans; a contract that specifically allows you to criticize me. And I will be glad to defend the terms of that agreement, even if it means I have to take the weight sometimes... I knew this was coming as I scored the fight. I knew the inescapable inevitability of criticism was waiting back here. I saw the ride; and I bought a ticket

    ...

    So allow me to cast up my accounts with you as equitably as possible, won't you? Interestingly, I've been slightly taken aback by the response my score for the Penn/Edgar fight has engendered...but not in the way (some of) you guys have responded....I kind of expected that. What's been surprising is how many people, at the event, in the hotel, at the airport, fighters, production staff, etc., have told me how glad they were that I scored the FIGHT, and not the FIGHTERS.

    Are you guys with me on that, even just a little? Can you understand what I mean by that? May I also mention that I forgive you? For your anger, your insults, and your crassness? NOT all of you....You know who you are. Yes; YOU: Over there, with the purple Nikes on, waiting for the spaceship in the tail of comet to come take you to a world where everyone agrees with you....and YOU over there...the one who thinks his heroes never lose.... So yes, I forgive you. I started this thread knowing that a percentage of you would behave the way you have. I knew you would when I scored the fight as well. I forgave you then. And even as I forgave you, I prepared myself to defend your right to criticize me, and make myself available for that criticism. Isn't that something I kind of...started out by saying?
    ...

    All of that being said..... I've mentioned numerous times on other threads that the scoring criteria exist for a reason, just like the 10-point "must" system exists for a reason; and that the scoring criteria are guidelines within which Judges arrive at a decision on a round-by-round basis. It is a Judge's obligation to interpret the fight and use the criteria as guidelines. But a fight is an observed event that does require interpretation, observation, wisdom. And, in my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn.

    And that is an interpretation by a ringside observer with an understanding and appreciation of MMA, who has Judged numerous (hundreds) of fights. I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently. I support and encourage your right to criticize my scoring. And I forgive you for your attacks of both a professional, and, regrettably, personal nature.
    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/12...y-explains-why
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    you are an arrogant American and quite obviously a retard
    Everytime I speak to a Canadian, I hear the words "arrogant American". Literally, every time. Why turn this thread into some ethnocentric debate? What is it about Canada that makes you feel so vastly superior?

    Rant over.

    I won't buy another UFC until Lesnar v. Carwin.
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  6. I hope that guy never judges another fight. That's worse than Cecil Peoples.
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  7. Ed Soars on fight


    Personally, I think Ed Soars was full of $hit. He starts to defend Anderson's full-hearted desire to finish the fight but Anderson "couldn't find his distance."

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  8. Ed Soares is such a tool. He's just as bad as Anderson.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    They actually have about the same rate of finishing fights.
    Difference is that RJJR didn't f- around and KO'ed tomato cans in the first round.

    (In his prime of course--he should have retired after he won the heavyweight belt in '03).

    I would have loved to have seen Jones fight Silva in a boxing match a few years ago, even years past his prime. F'ing Dana White...

  10. Maia is not even close to a can.
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  11. True, but the entire fight was on their feet, where Silva entirely outclasses him.

    Likewise, Roy Jones KO'd a lot of top pros in the first round, I simply meant they were relatively weak compared to him.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    Everytime I speak to a Canadian, I hear the words "arrogant American". Literally, every time. Why turn this thread into some ethnocentric debate? What is it about Canada that makes you feel so vastly superior?

    Rant over.

    I won't buy another UFC until Lesnar v. Carwin.
    Where in the sweet ****ing Damian Maia's JJ did I say anything that implied I thought Canada and/or Canadians were superior, or even bordered on ethnocentrism? I claimed I liked a fighter apart from us both being Canadian. You know, the opposite of being ethnocentric.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    However, because you are an arrogant American and quite obviously a retard
    If I read that wrong or read too much into that, I apologize.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Ah, is this the part where you come off like a complete prick after not posting for some time, at which point we go back and forth with some playful banter? Well, the issue is just that: you come off like a condescending prick, and I take issue with it. In reality, you know absolutely ****ing nothing about me, nor did you ever, and your attempt to be "that" guy makes you come off like an immature jerk-off.

    Now, ****wad, while this fact has escaped you, I thoroughly enjoy GSP because of his demeanor in and out of the ring, his humility, but most importantly, his skills as a fighter. You know, similar to the way you insist on sucking Fedor's **** at every possible moment? So, does that make you a Russian ex-pat? No, it makes you a rabid and loyal MMA fan for a particular fighter, which many of us are. If GSP suddenly became an arrogant prick and lost his skills, Canadian or not, I would no longer be a fan of him - or at least not such a fervent one.

    However, because you are an arrogant American and quite obviously a retard, you assume that somebody from a "backwater" country like Canada could not possibly cheer for a countrymen for any other reason than precisely that. I cheer for GSP because he is an adept fighter; I think he is better than A. Silva because he has fought better competition and has more complete skill set.

    And no, Dana claimed he had no interest in GSP/Anderson at 185, but expressed a considerable amount of interest in GSP/Anderson at 170. In fact, he just expressed that interest this week, and was quite willing to make the fight happen. So when he throws the MW belt at Ed Soares and berates A. Silva for an entire post-fight press conference, then looks dejected at the question, I will take him at his word.

    While it has obviously never occurred to you to think prior to opening your mouth, you should give it a shot.

    I think you might be a little bit upset. I recall you saying you are biased towards GSP bc he is Canadian. I'm just not into the whole nationalism thing. I'm sure you don't like him only bc he is Canadian. I just don't understand ppl that lean towards a fighter bc he is from their country.

    Fu*k Dana regardless. He is wishy washy. I have heard him a few times insinuate that GSP didn't stand much of a chance against Anderson, but his opinion changes quickly....money money money.

  15. I would love to see fans boo Anderson and when he loses cheer so loud! Too many fans at events are spread out on who they like its never that loud.

    they need to have him fight 205

  16. GSP v Anderson at 170 is stupid and makes no logical sense at all. Anderson is a big 185 and GSP is a big 170. Would be MUCH easier for GSP to fight at 185 than Anderson to fight at 170. For a guy who has to cut pretty hard to get to 185 to be asked to cut now to 170 just doesn't make sense at all.

    Dana is a fking idiot.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by bLacKjAck. View Post
    GSP v Anderson at 170 is stupid and makes no logical sense at all. Anderson is a big 185 and GSP is a big 170. Would be MUCH easier for GSP to fight at 185 than Anderson to fight at 170. For a guy who has to cut pretty hard to get to 185 to be asked to cut now to 170 just doesn't make sense at all.

    Dana is a fking idiot.
    Why not fight at a catch weight?

    If neither is going to permanently change weight classes then fighting for the belt would be somewhat meaningless since it would be vacated when they switch back to their normal weight classes (if AS won at 170 or GSP won at 185).

  18. catch weight 181. one wouldnt care cuz the title maybe? not that silva doest care already. dana will make them fight when the UFC is slipping or Anderson is on his last chance.
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