UFC 112 Abu Dhabi
- 04-11-2010, 02:36 PM
Dana may want to go the prelim/undercard route as you guys mentioned anyway as people may stop buying the events where he's solely featured as a main event. Maybe thats why Dana tossed in 2 title bouts since one was Andersons. And what if Anderson's was before the BJ fight would you still have the enthusiasm for the next fight?
- 04-11-2010, 05:31 PM
04-11-2010, 05:50 PM
Dana white is stupid to have him fight Maia. I told everyone I know its gonig to be a terrible fight. Everyone where I live asked where you watching it, whos buying it and I said dont. Its going to be a TL remake. Silvia wont destory a brazilian unless theres bad blood. Thats my own opinion but I really think its true. Belfort would go after him, WAndy would to but get TKO'ed and nate would go after him. Sonnen talks sh!t about him so there ya go. Why would dana ever have TL or maia fight him? its jsut so stupid to me. he needs to fight a stand up guy as well as trying hard with some motivation or bad blood to finish.
GSP tried to finish i give him credit but not the best he can do. GSP has been bothering me for different reasons. he can do it but isnt. Silva can but doesnt want to if its an opponent he respects. The two stories of them not finishing are WAY differernt IMO. Silva's out weighs GSP's a lot more because GSP was following a game plan pushing the pace atleast. Even though I made a thread about GSP it was before this happenend so you should talk about both. They are different issues.
SIlva needs to fight for free with no win bonus along with a stand up guy with lots of hype. I would love to see belfort destory him.
On another note I dont think you can call either best p4p fighter. Id say tied for number 2, two very differt divisions, as well as styles and weight class jumps.
04-11-2010, 06:14 PM
You don't make minimum weight the commission won't let you fight. You can't reasonably force someone to gain weight.
I had a friend weigh in for a fight in full clothing and pockets full of change to be able to fight lol
Fighters are on contracts. Typically with fight numbers and pay outs set in stone 5-6 fights ahead of time. I'm 100% sure trying to force him to fight for free would be a breach of contract.SIlva needs to fight for free with no win bonus along with a stand up guy with lots of hype. I would love to see belfort destory him.
04-11-2010, 06:42 PM
04-11-2010, 06:44 PM
04-11-2010, 07:41 PM
04-11-2010, 08:20 PM
Well, it is a sadder issue than I thought when we are blaming the UFC, Silva's employer, because they have failed to spoon-feed him opponents who will aggressively walk in a straight line so he can counter punch. If Anderson cannot perform "beautifully" against fighters who do not aggressively chase him, than it is an ability issue, not a desire issue. His most awe-inspiring performances have been against Leben, Franklin (x2) and Forrest Griffin. A dollar to anybody who spots the common element between those fights, haha. (Hint: aggressively chasing Anderson Silva, and then standing in front of him).
The Brazilian angle has nothing to do with it, IMO, as UFC 90 w/ Cote was similarly bizarre, and Cote is Canadian; and neither does the "respect" factor, as Anderson respected Rich Franklin immensely and he rearranged his face. In fact, it appears this an issue of disrespect, the complete opposite.
It's ironic because Jas123, who used to post on this forum, would constantly call people out for thinking A. Silva was humble, and pointed out his arrogance two years ago - and more recently, in terms of fighters, Chael Sonnen was vocal about how much of an ******* he is. I think both are right!
04-11-2010, 08:33 PM
I would actually like to see Sonnen get a shot. Not that I think Sonnen would win, but I do think he will take him down and make it interesting.
04-11-2010, 09:08 PM
Dana White was reported to have thrown the belt on the table and left during Andeson's 4th round, due to being livid at the clown show.
Also, a judge scored the fight 45/50 Edgar? I don't think so, Edgar put up a solid resistance, but I think BJ's own reputation as such a dominant fighter in his division cost him this fight, because Edgar looked good and looking good against anticipated domination gets you biased judging, imo. Edgar did more work and looked like the aggressor, but I don't think the judges gave enough credence to BJ's successful counter punching and successful jabbing. However, what's done is done and that's what happens when fights go to the judges.
Renzo.... Hughes didn't look that much better.
UFC 112 post fight press conference
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04-11-2010, 09:12 PM
This is a translation made by a Portuguese MMA fan of the exchange in the post fight press conference with Anderson Silva.
In the first question he asked the reporter what was his opinion, just like Ed Soares translated. Then he said:
"Unfortunately Iīm not here to please everyone. Iīm here to do my job and my job was well done. I came here respecting everybody. I fight respecting everbody and Demian was disrespectful to me, not as professional, but as an martial arts athlete and I take this very seriously. Very very serious. I did not came here for nothing. He came here to do his job and I came to do mine and I did what I trained to do: hit Demian.
Then he was asked what did he do to disrespect him:
"Look, weīre here to promote the event, our event, the best event in the world, no doubt about it. We have the best fighters in the world, but everything should be done carefully, especially brazilian against brazilian, because where we came (and I donīt know which school he went), I came from a school where I learned to respect all my opponents, and I didnīt disrespect anyone here, as I said before. And everytime an opponent came to fight me and disrespect my morals as a black belt martial artist, this is gonna happen. Unfortunately some did like and some didnīt, but he paid for the stupid things that he said."
The third question about the crowd:
"I thinks fight are that way, sometimes we win, sometimes we lose, sometimes people like the fight and sometimes donīt. When we have a fight with a guy like Demian, a very dangerous fighter on the ground, as well as other opponents that I had with that were jiu-jitsu fighters, I must be careful. After Minotauro, Demian has the most dangerous jiu-jitsu in the UFC. So I did what I planned and set the pace of the fight. Fight is a fight, at some moment he was better than me, and at some moment I was better than him. I was able to execute my strategy and this was the result."
4th question: For those who donīt know, What did Demian said...:
"It starts with some little things. I never disrespect any opponent of mine. My first fight here was against Chris Leben and I was never disrespectful with any of my opponents. I always respected them when I started training martial arts. It started when he told that "spider has four legs and one I will take" or "if the fights hits the ground iīll submit him". Iīve been training for many years, some people say "well, he can say whatever he wants bla bla bla" but I didnīt and donīt like this.
5th question about the booing and about apologies:
"Everybody came here to see good fights. Some were good and some were bad. I donīt think I have to apologize. I did my job and it was well done. I came to do what I was training and I trained what I did and won the fight."
6th about punish him and finishing him:
"My goal wasnīt to hurt anybody. Iīm not here to hurt Demian or any other fighter. My goal is to step in the octagon and do a good job: fight and make my opponent feel vulnerable. This is what I do and what Iīll keep doing. Some fights we get a knock out and other it donīt happen. I just did what I had to do.
7th about circling around in the end:
"I did what I had to do. Iīm not here to apologize to anything. My job was done. My mission was accomplished
8th ...something to say for the fans:
"I thank everyone of them. They are critics and they can say what they want. Iīll keep training and trying to improve myself. Thereīs nothing much to say... they got used to some things that we canīt do all the, time like a knock out. It seems that the fight is easy from the outside but itīs not. Everything can go wrong with a mistake. Iīm sure my job was well done.
9th ...feeling challenged at 185:
"There are many good opponents at that weight class. Demian is a jiu-jitsu athlete, not a striker. He cane to take the fight to the ground. My strategy was to keep standing up and his was to take to the ground. During the fight he realized that he had to strike with me. I kept my game plan: hit him and get out until the fight ends so I remain champion."
There you go. Hopefully you all can understand.
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04-11-2010, 09:38 PM
Ah my mistake. Sorry.I think (justm y guess) that he was referring to a free spike fight night, not fight for free. That is not something that can be forced
04-11-2010, 10:44 PM
Maybe it is time to change the structure of payouts. Reduce the base fight purse and add on a finish bonus in addition to the KO, sub, and FotN bonuses for more incentive. Dunno if it is just me but it seems like more of the top fighters are getting apprehensive about engaging. Neither Hughes nor Gracie excel at striking so why are they putting on an amateur boxing match for the fans? Yes, that was their 'supposed' best strategy for winning but ultimately the fans pay the bills and lackluster fights don't draw fans in the long run.
04-11-2010, 10:58 PM
that was a stupid score.
Also, He didnt want to finish Cote because he trains to last jsut a couple minutes. He has said tht before that he is excited to be going 3-4 rounds. He wanted to have a really good fight and war but he looked to calm and cote got hurt.
As a promoter it is Dana and the UFC's job to give fights to fighters that are good fights. I wouldnt say feeding him guys. He has fed two guys who didnt deserve shots. Maia and TL didnt. thats feeding. Hendo atleast gave him trouble and im sure Nate would throw bombs and go for it. You need to match guys up to make a good fight. Maia had a 1 fight win streak going in lol. Chael should have never fought Nate. Now everyone is 1-1 against eachother when it comes to contenders. the 185 pound division is just a mess and it starts with the champion Anderson Silva. Vitor Belfot needs to dethrone him.
He doesnt have bad blood with Wandy anymore I guess and wandy doesnt care about titles anymore. We need Hendo back in UFC at 185.
04-11-2010, 11:58 PM
Some more on Silva's antics.
The MMA community is still reeling from the bizarre behavior of Anderson Silva in the main event of UFC 112. Word came out after the the fight from Demian Maia stating that he was disrespected and cursed at. Maia opted not to expand on this, but a new article on the Fighters Only Magazine Website sheds light on this.
Fans of Silva's native Brazil heard what Silva was speaking during the fight last night in Portuguese. Silva used terms against Maia that were very hateful and disrespectful that have made Silva infamous now in his home country.
MMA message forums in the Portuguese language have been talking about Silva's insults against Maia during the fight. Toward the end of the second round, Silva allegedly stated in Portuguese, "Bate na minha cara playboy." This is apparently translated into English as "Come on, hit me in the face playboy."
"Playboy" is actually is a tremendous insult in Brazil because of the class divisions in the country between rich and poor. In Brazil, playboys are hedonistic rich people that are pampered and care nothing for poor people and know nothing about actual life.
Silva also is said to have stated "Cade o Jiu-Jitsu?" or in English, "Where is your Jiu-Jitsu?"
When Maia could not get Silva to the floor, Silva is said to have shouted "Get up off your ass and get hit some more."
The tone of Brazilian MMA forums right now is that many fans are shocked and disappointed by Anderson with his performance and comments.
A poster that goes by the handle of Gomes on the Portal do Vale Tudo stated the following:
"Wow, the guy went mad. American are usually super socially-conscious with this kind of discrimination, when they discover what he said, heads will fly. This guy has lost all notion of what you can do in a fight. This type of social/personal insult is the equivalent of Iron' Mike Tyson saying 'I'll f*ck until you love me, bitch!'"
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04-12-2010, 12:31 AM
04-12-2010, 04:30 AM
Anderson wouldnt let gsp take him down. if he did he would get up so fast. if he didnt get up his BJJ would be fine and GSP couldnt finish esp GnP anderson. Silva would out strike him big time. i think if GSP was 4 inches taller and many pounds bigger with the same skill and speed its a different story. it doesnt matter tho he DOMINATES 170's. anderson is more of a 205 than a middle weight IMO. he looked very skinny lastnight. GSP might cuz a good amonut of weight to make 170 but he bulked up to get that big hes not naturally that big. it would be an uneven fight IMO. unless anderson did this stupid **** GSP would find a way to win.
04-12-2010, 08:39 AM
Now, ****wad, while this fact has escaped you, I thoroughly enjoy GSP because of his demeanor in and out of the ring, his humility, but most importantly, his skills as a fighter. You know, similar to the way you insist on sucking Fedor's **** at every possible moment? So, does that make you a Russian ex-pat? No, it makes you a rabid and loyal MMA fan for a particular fighter, which many of us are. If GSP suddenly became an arrogant prick and lost his skills, Canadian or not, I would no longer be a fan of him - or at least not such a fervent one.
However, because you are an arrogant American and quite obviously a retard, you assume that somebody from a "backwater" country like Canada could not possibly cheer for a countrymen for any other reason than precisely that. I cheer for GSP because he is an adept fighter; I think he is better than A. Silva because he has fought better competition and has more complete skill set.
And no, Dana claimed he had no interest in GSP/Anderson at 185, but expressed a considerable amount of interest in GSP/Anderson at 170. In fact, he just expressed that interest this week, and was quite willing to make the fight happen. So when he throws the MW belt at Ed Soares and berates A. Silva for an entire post-fight press conference, then looks dejected at the question, I will take him at his word.
While it has obviously never occurred to you to think prior to opening your mouth, you should give it a shot.
04-12-2010, 09:36 AM
Dana's comments about Anderson/GSP is based on weight. At 185lbs he has no interest, and he has specifically said it was based on how "good" Anderson was at 205. However, it becomes a more compelling fight at 170, as the concern truly becomes, does Anderson lose anything in that type of cut.
In terms of GSP "likability" he comes off as a respectful guy. After the Serra I fight, that altered a bit, but since that point he has done nothing to dissuade the fans. I am no huge GSP fan, but I do respect him. At the end of the day, I am from Long Island, and as a result really root for Matt Serra. However, when he sounds like a dbag, I acknowledge it.
04-12-2010, 09:44 AM
What's really, really sad about the whole thing is that Andy still has a "get ****ed" attitude towards the fans. I absolutely cannot stand the guy and he hasn't finished a title bout since 10/07 in the weakest division in MMA (Leites and Cote are not top-10 MWs, either). To hell with Anderson Silva, already. Make his ass retire or actually fight.
Also, did anyone else notice how Anderson's gloves weren't wrapped?
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-12-2010, 12:06 PM
Yeeesh, it got testy in here.
I agree with Rodja and Ironfist. The Penn decision was shenanigans. I don't know if I was quite as outraged as the Shogun/Machida, but shenanigans nonetheless.
Anderson Silva should have just finished the fight, rather then emulate a Roy Jones, Jr. youtube highlight vid. The similarities are kind of laughable.
Fun starts around 0:40 mark.
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04-12-2010, 12:18 PM
Roy Jones Jr was amazing beyond words in his prime.
And with 40 KO's in 54 wins, he finished fights (or at least beat opponents senseless till the end).
04-12-2010, 12:21 PM
04-12-2010, 12:32 PM
I didn't watch it, but I heard the recent Hopkins/Jones match went horrible and Hopkins schooled him, oh well...
Here is the judges 45/50 explanation. He sounds completely bat$hit and who after reading this, can deem him mentally capable of judging a fight?
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/12...y-explains-whySo....Just returned from Abu Dhabi, and I haven't been in my duplex more than 20 minutes, when the Doorman calls me on the intercom in a state of panic.... Seems there are hundreds of moaning, howling ghouls in "RVCA" and "Prodigy/Hilo Boy" T-shirts surrounding the building like extras from "Zombieland"... And they're chanting "50/45!" over and over, and trying to push their way into the lobby..... Thank God the Father and Sonny Jesus none of them have the elevator key to my penthouse.....So I think I'm safe for awhile... Which gives me a little time to talk to you, my dear friends.
So I'm wondering.....Should I tell you how I scored Penn/Edgar, and why, right now, up front? But that seems kinda like the Pope or the King back in the day, just writing down what he wants to say, and having one of his burly churls nail it to the door of the church for everyone to read...It seems a bit...distant, a bit 'above it all', don'tcha think? Because God knows I have plenty to say and no shortage of burly churls; no dearth of hulking familiars to do my bidding have I....
Perhaps just announcing my presence is enough for now. Perhaps simply allowing some of you, my faithful friends and fellow MMA devotees, to say what YOU want to say is more....Democratic; more... Enlightened... A behaviour more consistent with a Progressive such as myself
After all, isn't that my job? Isn't it incumbent upon me, as a Judge, to make myself available for your criticism? If I take the plane ride, and get to the venue, and score the fights, I have a kind of....Contract with the fans; a contract that specifically allows you to criticize me. And I will be glad to defend the terms of that agreement, even if it means I have to take the weight sometimes... I knew this was coming as I scored the fight. I knew the inescapable inevitability of criticism was waiting back here. I saw the ride; and I bought a ticket
So allow me to cast up my accounts with you as equitably as possible, won't you? Interestingly, I've been slightly taken aback by the response my score for the Penn/Edgar fight has engendered...but not in the way (some of) you guys have responded....I kind of expected that. What's been surprising is how many people, at the event, in the hotel, at the airport, fighters, production staff, etc., have told me how glad they were that I scored the FIGHT, and not the FIGHTERS.
Are you guys with me on that, even just a little? Can you understand what I mean by that? May I also mention that I forgive you? For your anger, your insults, and your crassness? NOT all of you....You know who you are. Yes; YOU: Over there, with the purple Nikes on, waiting for the spaceship in the tail of comet to come take you to a world where everyone agrees with you....and YOU over there...the one who thinks his heroes never lose.... So yes, I forgive you. I started this thread knowing that a percentage of you would behave the way you have. I knew you would when I scored the fight as well. I forgave you then. And even as I forgave you, I prepared myself to defend your right to criticize me, and make myself available for that criticism. Isn't that something I kind of...started out by saying?
All of that being said..... I've mentioned numerous times on other threads that the scoring criteria exist for a reason, just like the 10-point "must" system exists for a reason; and that the scoring criteria are guidelines within which Judges arrive at a decision on a round-by-round basis. It is a Judge's obligation to interpret the fight and use the criteria as guidelines. But a fight is an observed event that does require interpretation, observation, wisdom. And, in my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn.
And that is an interpretation by a ringside observer with an understanding and appreciation of MMA, who has Judged numerous (hundreds) of fights. I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently. I support and encourage your right to criticize my scoring. And I forgive you for your attacks of both a professional, and, regrettably, personal nature.
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04-12-2010, 12:35 PM
I won't buy another UFC until Lesnar v. Carwin.
04-12-2010, 12:35 PM
04-12-2010, 12:41 PM
Ed Soars on fight
Personally, I think Ed Soars was full of $hit. He starts to defend Anderson's full-hearted desire to finish the fight but Anderson "couldn't find his distance."
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04-12-2010, 12:43 PM
04-12-2010, 01:01 PM
(In his prime of course--he should have retired after he won the heavyweight belt in '03).
I would have loved to have seen Jones fight Silva in a boxing match a few years ago, even years past his prime. F'ing Dana White...
04-12-2010, 01:05 PM
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