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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Yeah his stand-up looked pretty good Saturday, he has a lot more power than I thought he did. He has definitely improved. But the thing with Lesnar/Carwin is they are both great wrestlers who also have 25lbs of muscle on this guy. If he is winning in the standup they will just take him down. And with the size of their necks its gonna be hard for him to knock them out. But I was wrong about the Nog fight so maybe ill be wrong about the next one too. Cain is better than I thought he was and I am very interested in his next fight.
    Well, you have to remember Cain is no slouch at wrestling himself, and ASU has a very competent collegiate wrestling program (Bader is from ASU, as well). I personally doubt that Carwin has the technical prowess to take Cain down, but that is up for debate.

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    I keep reading about Cain v. Dos Santos (provided he gets by Gonzaga) I think Lesnar would make for an interesting fight, as his only true advantage would be size. Cain has wrestling at a high level as well, and his hands are better than I thought. Personally not a huge fan of Carwin, but just happy to see that the heavyweight division is getting interesting again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Well, you have to remember Cain is no slouch at wrestling himself, and ASU has a very competent collegiate wrestling program (Bader is from ASU, as well). I personally doubt that Carwin has the technical prowess to take Cain down, but that is up for debate.
    I dunno you may be right and I know Cain is a great wrestler but even if he holds an advantage it could possibly be equaled out by Carwins extra 25lbs of muscle. Then again Carwin was only D II so who knows maybe you are right. It is getting interesting for the UFC HWs now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    I dunno you may be right and I know Cain is a great wrestler but even if he holds an advantage it could possibly be equaled out by Carwins extra 25lbs of muscle. Then again Carwin was only D II so who knows maybe you are right. It is getting interesting for the UFC HWs now.
    i dont think it will make any difference. Carwin has those massive heavy hands that people just collapse under. Also being 270 + will definitely help against a puny in comparison 245 lb Cain. RD1 tko smashed face lol
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    Yeah thats what im saying an extra 25+ lbs of muscle from a guy with XXXL hands who is also 6'5. The Carwin/Mir fight will be real interesting especially since Mir has been bulking up to their weight. But yeah I didnt think Cain would ever knock out Nog so who knows maybe he would surprise me again.
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    I was sorely disappointed. I had a 45/55 gut feeling, advantage Nog and was expecting much more of a war and effort on Cain's part to pull it out, not a HL KO. Oh well.

    Also, I definitely feel Cain can threaten Lesnar. I don't think 25lbs of extra muscle on the body will defuse a well placed shot by Cain on the chin (or any accurate HW for that matter). Nog looked like he got hit by a car when Cain landed those punches.

    Lesnar's my boy and all, but if or when the two meet, I would hope it goes to the ground (with Lesnar ontop). Cain's hands looked like a motor vehicle collision on Nog's head.
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    I never thought Nog would win. I was thinknig UD for cain or maybe a TKO late for just too mantp punches. Cain is so young and hes very good all around. Ive seen him train in the San Jose area when i made my way up north. Hes a beast and AKA is a pretty good gym. Hes only gonig to get better. People think Nog did great against randy, I was not impressed. I was so impressed when nog beat heath and sylvia because they were more at the top of there game and he had come backs. Now im sure carwin, dos santos, cain, mir would all beat him. hes just a top 5 gate keeper. dont get me wrong im not bashing him im jsut stating his place. hes a legend and i look up to him but there is young talent out right now in the heavy weights. besides carwin and lesner who are old. Randy is not hard to beat these days. He beat an old coleman and a head case brandon vera.
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    The Cain v Fedor, "Cain would win," talk has already started. The Cain vs. Lesnar, "Cain would win," talk is piled quite high as well. Granted Cain is a legitimate threat to anyone, but man do the wagons fill quickly.
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    To me, the great thing is that he is still so young. However, lets not get too crazy just yet. The beauty of the heavyweight division is anyone can lose at any time. I will say, Cain's hands were friggin frightening imo. Nog looked out b4 hitting the ground
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    It is debatable whether Cain looked phenomenal, or if Nog's "staph infection" simply reared its ugly head one more time, rendering the legend virtually immobile and stiffer than a Catholic Priest during Sunday School. It was not long ago that Nog made Frank Mir look like Anderson Silva, and I think the preemptive "he is done" mutterings were not so preemptive after all: Nog is visibly slower, less crisp and less precise in his striking and footwork, and I think now would be an apt time to bow out gracefully before absorbing too much damage.

    I do think Cain looks legitimate, but I am going to temper my response here, like I tempered my response to Machida - the proclamations of greatness the MMA community tend to make almost never come to fruition. While I think Cain's manner of victory in his last two outings make for a legitimate case, and an ultimately more justifiable one, I will still withhold judgment for now!
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    I dont necessarily believe nog is done. He might not be at the level of title contention. However, there are still some interesting fights against some of the younder heavyweights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I dont necessarily believe nog is done. He might not be at the level of title contention. However, there are still some interesting fights against some of the younder heavyweights.
    I would say Nog is done in the sense that he'll never be in title contention, as is true with Mirko. They both could probably still draw some interesting fights, "maybe" big Nog can still be a main event fight, "maaaaaaybe" but as far as a legitimate contender for the belt, both Pride Legends are done.

    Nog's performance against Randy was a revitalizing one, but his UFC record proves last weekends performance to be his standard and his fight against Randy to be the exception. Also, Mirko looked decent against a guy I've never-ever heard of in my life and furthermore, said no-namer had no time to prepare for a competitive fight (2 days?) and Mirko still only looked decent. He fought a smart fight, had some good TDD's and dominated, but dominated in the most underwhelming way possible for the situation at hand.

    Time for me to officially unhinge the tire swing from Mirko's nuts.

    P.S. I'll be seriously pissed if Cain beats Brock. I think people have gathered for class action bear hugs around Cain's nuts faster and tighter gripped then when Rogan announced the Machida era had arrived. For whatever reason, that kind of nut-gathery irks me. That being said, I'm partly convinced that Cain might just be "that good," (hope not). Like Mullet if GSP is to ever lose, if Brock lost against Cain (assuming that will be the next fight), I'll probably lose interest in MMA for a short period.
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    that is why I am glad I dont have any real allegiance to a fighter. I enjoy watching too much to have to stop if someone loses. I will say however, that I am beginning to dislike Mir enough to hope he gets stomped in each of his fights
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    that is why I am glad I dont have any real allegiance to a fighter. I enjoy watching too much to have to stop if someone loses. I will say however, that I am beginning to dislike Mir enough to hope he gets stomped in each of his fights
    what did Mir do??? you dont like his definition of a "true martial artist"? lol
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    lol. I also think his comments about Brock are bad for the sport. In jest or not, it is not the publicity that MMA in general needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I am beginning to dislike Mir enough to hope he gets stomped in each of his fights
    That's a good place to be
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    I am not a CArwin fan at all, and in fact have not been impressed by him either. However, I hope he stomps the hell out of Mir, just so he will STFU
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    that is why I am glad I dont have any real allegiance to a fighter. I enjoy watching too much to have to stop if someone loses. I will say however, that I am beginning to dislike Mir enough to hope he gets stomped in each of his fights
    I sincerely dislike Mir because of the way he poops from his mouth. Cain, I actually like as a fighter. He's promising, he's respectable and he's legitimately talented, it's his flying nut-bar and nut-hook new fans that are causing me to hope against his success. In their minds, he's pretty much literally defeated Fedor already, based on their hyp'ousity. It's the worst case of rear-nutted choking I've ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    That being said, I'm partly convinced that Cain might just be "that good," (hope not). Like Mullet if GSP is to ever lose, if Brock lost against Cain (assuming that will be the next fight), I'll probably lose interest in MMA for a short period.

    Seriously. When GSP lost to Serra I literally became disinterested in MMA until September (loss was in April). If you check my post history in the MMA forum, there is a six-month gap where people were wondering why I disappeared, haha. That was simply too much to handle.
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    Cain really impressed me with his wrestling and crisp strikes, but I really don't think he will be able to deal with the power of Brock. I feel like Lesnar would manhandle him on the ground and just stop his game completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    well hes on the UFC roster, already had 2 fights with them. its a job you know, when they call your name you gotta man up
    true enough hey.

    If i were his manager, i'd try and get a 'won't fight cro cop on 2 days notice' clause
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    the whole cain vs fedor is stupid. ive maybe seen that once. cain is legit but who didnt know that already? wwho was actually suprised withwhat happened? no part of me was shocked at all. big nog has been knocked down by more punches in the ufc than any other HW. his stand up has lacked. this fight didnt change my opinion at all. the top 5 are lesner,mir,cain,carwin,dos santos. and those are in order. id put nog at number 6. i think dos santos wolud beat him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walugi View Post
    true enough hey.

    If i were his manager, i'd try and get a 'won't fight cro cop on 2 days notice' clause
    and as we can see, getting massacred by cro cop earned him a 4 fight deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    the whole cain vs fedor is stupid. ive maybe seen that once. cain is legit but who didnt know that already? wwho was actually suprised withwhat happened? no part of me was shocked at all. big nog has been knocked down by more punches in the ufc than any other HW. his stand up has lacked. this fight didnt change my opinion at all. the top 5 are lesner,mir,cain,carwin,dos santos. and those are in order. id put nog at number 6. i think dos santos wolud beat him.
    Someone in his camp needs to tell Nog that blocking punches with your cheek is ineffective defense.
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    People were impressed with his standup with Randy and it bothered me so bad. Randy is winning fights but still but in a different fasion. Vera had great TD defense but was losing octagon control badly. Mark Coleman is just too old and done. I knew Nog would lose going in I am surprised peopel are shocked. I was not surprised Nog beat Randy Im shocked it took 3 rounds. Nog and Randy are still going to win fights and sh!t but can compete with the top 5 in there weight class. They will jsut continue to give us fun fights and memories. It would be awesome if Nog could take out someone like Rothwell or Junior Dos Santos. I know for a fact Fedor would DROP cain. I hope Carwin doesnt tho. I think Cain would have a really hard time beating frank mir. Frank is getting better and I bet next time we see him he will be a Solid 263 pounds of muscle and curly hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    People were impressed with his standup with Randy and it bothered me so bad. Randy is winning fights but still but in a different fasion. Vera had great TD defense but was losing octagon control badly. Mark Coleman is just too old and done. I knew Nog would lose going in I am surprised peopel are shocked. I was not surprised Nog beat Randy Im shocked it took 3 rounds. Nog and Randy are still going to win fights and sh!t but can compete with the top 5 in there weight class. They will jsut continue to give us fun fights and memories. It would be awesome if Nog could take out someone like Rothwell or Junior Dos Santos. I know for a fact Fedor would DROP cain. I hope Carwin doesnt tho. I think Cain would have a really hard time beating frank mir. Frank is getting better and I bet next time we see him he will be a Solid 263 pounds of muscle and curly hair.
    Cain v Mir would be the only instance where I'd quasi-root for Mir.
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    Cain is my fav HW. I think lesner will beat them all. and I think MIr will give Carwin and cain a really hard time and take both of those fights. Unless they can out wrestle him too. Mir is gonig to have to drop lesner to gget a win. I am just happy that the HW division is good now. They haVE like 7 super stars. Imagine if they had rogers,fedor, and overeem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    Cain is my fav HW. I think lesner will beat them all. and I think MIr will give Carwin and cain a really hard time and take both of those fights. Unless they can out wrestle him too. Mir is gonig to have to drop lesner to gget a win. I am just happy that the HW division is good now. They haVE like 7 super stars. Imagine if they had rogers,fedor, and overeem.
    I'm not as confident as you are that Lesnar would beat Cain. Clearly that'd be my preference, but my current perspective is that if Cain caught anyone in the same fashion he caught Nog, that certain anyone is going down, 25lbs advantage or not. Even Mir, as much as I hate that ***got, I don't see anyone staying on their feet if he catches someone the way he caught Kongo. Fanaticism aside, objectively, I still feel Lesnar has the strength x size x athleticism advantage on the entire HW division, but among the HW elites, it can be anyone's game all things considered.

    If the fights started on the ground like a wrestling match, I say Lesnar has every fight, every time, but considering you have to trade at least a little bit in the beginning, both Mir and Cain make me nervous as a Brock fan. I don't know if it's the post-fight hype or all the new flying nut-bars being thrown on Cain, but that dude really makes me nervous as a Brock fan
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    I think that Lesnar has the advantage over all of the HWY's, but you are correct in your assessment, if Cain catches him on the chin, a la Nog, it will be lights out. However, the same could be said for Carwin as well.

    I think it will eventually boil down to Brock v. Cain. If Lesnar gets him on his back it is over for Cain imo. Brock will be too big and too strong. However, the reverse holds true as well IMO
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    cain mir and carwin could all dude that. but i dont know how likely it will happen. If lesner sticks to the correct plan he will takei t. cain follows a good game plan. carwin i dont know enough about. i dont know why people are huggin his nuts know tho. they should have know a young talented aka fighter would beat an older and slower guy. there isnt as much nug huggin with his as there are other superstars. i still think lesner would be cain dude. lesner is the real deal but him being gone scares me.
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    I think Randy displayed a glaring weakness in Brock's wrestling game, which happened to be Randy's specialty: the clinch. And furthermore, Randy took Brock down in that facet with an enormous size, weight and strength advantage! I am suspicious of Brock's technicality and savvy in the clinch, and if Cain and/or Carwin were intelligent, they would make Brock work against the clinch, take away his length, and dirty box him.This is the most efficient manner of victory against Lesnar
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    There's also a currently, unquantifiable factor in regards to the returning, post-illness, post-extended break from the cage Brock. My gut says it won't be a huge deal, but I don't have any information to go on in order to speculate on the subject.
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    dude it sounds like a huge deal. thats a lot of time off as well as ring rust. hes getting older and didnt have much exp in the first place. this sucked ass what happenend to him. Hopefully it doesnt effect him so we dont have to listen to people making excuses for him. Im sure he will provide a great performance, I mean come on,he has a sword and skulls on him, hes a bad ass hahaha. I would have loved to see Nog fight him a couple years ago. Nasty clintch! Yeah I saw that mullet in both Mir vs Lesner II and randy vs lesner there was a slight window of time where i was liek damn not bad against a monster.
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    He's a beast, no doubt.... All of his fights are the same though. He tackles you when he can and hammerfists you till youre done. I cant wait to see C0ck Chestnar lose.
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    i feel like he would take Nog out on his feet. when youare as big as him you decide where the fight is going. I love the heath hearing fight haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xpballer View Post
    He's a beast, no doubt.... All of his fights are the same though. He tackles you when he can and hammerfists you till youre done. I cant wait to see C0ck Chestnar lose.
    He KO'd Randy on his feet.
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    eh i wouldnt say KO if i remember. it was like knock down and finished him with hammers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwhiteguy29 View Post
    eh i wouldnt say KO if i remember. it was like knock down and finished him with hammers.
    you mean donkey punches?
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