UFC 101 DECLARATION

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Here are my picks. One is obviously based solely on a wish, and I'm sure everyone will figure out which.




As much as I want to see Kenny win I don't feel he could defend the title against Diego and somehow I think a BJ/Diego fight would be more exciting.
Silva/Griffin fight is being called the size vs technique which I completely disagree. Comparatively speaking yes Silva has all the technique but Griffin is pretty technical too.
I can't say I can remember a Richardo fight before this one but since he's fighting Grover I will always back the opposite fighter. I couldn't stand that Tito grave digging Mime that Kendall did after he beat Day.
 
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I sort of expect BJ to win against Florian. Maybe Florian deserves more respect, but following the excitement and anxiety of GSP/Penn, this Penn/Florian is a bit blah for me.

Griffin/Silva however, very exciting. I can't call it, Griffin is technical and he's ape strong as well. I'll be pulling for Silva, but not by much.
 
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Florians great. I think his last 3 fights I was blown away by the wins. I'm not counting him out.
Funny I'd expect more people to be for Forrest just based on AS's last fight. Plus come on... its ol forrest :D

I forgot I left out this pick:

Neer's hilarious. Lets hear it for drinkin n driven
 
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I can totally see Griffin winning, but my expectation is weighed more toward Silva.

I believe Silva is more masterfully technical, both on his feet and on the ground. Griffin is also technical, just not as technical, imo, but has ape strength on his side. I don't think its going to be a solely technicality vs strength fight either. I see two technical fighters, only one is sharper and the other stronger, but both technical nonetheless.

I think it's going to be a great fight for Silva. Unlike Irving, I think Griffin won't beat himself before the fight mentally and Griffin will have more successful aggression then Silva's recent opponents. All this said, I still think Silva will win, but that margin of expectation is the smallest it's been in awhile.
 
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If Brock can get over the fact that forrest trained with Mir before their fight, I would (if I was forrest) take some pointers on smothering from Brock. So if he starts eating his own teeth or his nose gets "franklin'ed" he can shoot and smother. Then he can drink a coors light.


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If Brock can get over the fact that forrest trained with Mir before their fight, I would (if I was forrest) take some pointers on smothering from Brock. So if he starts eating his own teeth or his nose gets "franklin'ed" he can shoot and smother. Then he can drink a coors light.
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Bets with my heart :
Forrest TKOs Silva
Kenny KOs Penn
Amir Subs Johnny
Almeida win via sub
Neer KOs Pelligrino

Bets with brain and how I actually have my money wagered :
Silva wins via TKO Rnd 2
Kenny via Dec.
Amir subs Johnny rnd 1
Almeida via sub
Neer via Dec.

Also fight of the night will go to Neer v Pelligrino
Unfortunately I'm thinking Silva will get KO of the night
 
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I think florian( aka ben stiller)is the next big thing.I see him taking this class and moving up and taking that class.The guys a silent beast.He has been getting better every fight.I think Penn is on his way out.Id like to see St.pierre vs Florian in future.Florian has frame to add 10-12 lbs.
 
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I think florian( aka ben stiller)is the next big thing.I see him taking this class and moving up and taking that class.The guys a silent beast.He has been getting better every fight.I think Penn is on his way out.Id like to see St.pierre vs Florian in future.Florian has frame to add 10-12 lbs.
I'll have to respectfully disagree with the Penn is on his way out theory. Going up a weight class and losing a single fight to a stronger, faster, sharper and smarter opponent like GSP really does not mean you're on the way down. Penn is still (pending this weekend) king of his weight class.

Although I'm not a huge GSP fanatic, I'll have to raise a serious eye brow to that GSP/KenFlo idea..... SERIOUS eye brow :eek13: I question if Florian is even in BJ's talent class, LET ALONE GSP. However, I'll hold my strong convictions till the end of the weekend.
 
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I think florian( aka ben stiller)is the next big thing.I see him taking this class and moving up and taking that class.The guys a silent beast.He has been getting better every fight.I think Penn is on his way out.Id like to see St.pierre vs Florian in future.Florian has frame to add 10-12 lbs.
Joking? BJ will probably beat Ken-Flo, but GSP would destroy him. And I say this admiring/liking Ken-Flo, and hating BJ.
 
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I disagee.We shall see.Who else in lightweight will beat florian?
 
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Have i watched a different florian fight?Penn is great a legend but he is going down.mark my words.
 
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Have i watched a different florian fight?Penn is great a legend but he is going down.mark my words.
You must have been watching a different Florian - particularly if you think KenFlo can not only clean out the LW division, but subsequently be competitive with GSP.
 
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Name a top-10 fighter that Kenny has beaten...oh, wait, that never happened. He has a shot to outwork BJ if it goes into the championship rounds, but I really doubt he'll be able to keep BJ on the outside. I give the power advantage to Penn by a long shot as well.
 
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The idea sounds pretty awesome though. I'd eat paint led if Florian wiped out 2 divisions. I give ya credit for supporting Florian to that extent bro. You should think about cornering for him haha
 
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BJ Penn on GSP's roid use: "It's just my opinion that he uses steroids. That's it. My opinion. I do believe it. I can't hand you any proof, but that's my opinion. In my opinion, he doesn't play by the rules when it comes to steroids and growth hormones and that stuff. Look at him. He's the worst. He looks like that every day. That's cheating. There is a reason why there are rules against using steroids. The rest of us, we get fat, then we train and get skinny and the cycle goes over and over again. He looks the same way all the time. Come on.

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The more statements like that BJ makes, the more confident I am in KenFlo - obviously, BJ's focus is elsewhere. BJ is like a politician campaigning for a rubber-match that absolutely nobody has interest in seeing.
 
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The more statements like that BJ makes, the more confident I am in KenFlo - obviously, BJ's focus is elsewhere. BJ is like a politician campaigning for a rubber-match that absolutely nobody has interest in seeing.
As an avid Penn fan, I agree that I would not be eager for him to fight GSP in the future, unless GSP declines in talent dramatically, whilst Penn maintains and/or improves. Less provided situation, I don't see a point to a Penn/GSP 2, at all.

I think BJ is still sore from how dominated he was. Losing a fight filled with exchanges is one thing, losing a fight where it was completely one sided is another. I'm thinking this GSP loss is really effing with his head, but I hope not and I really hope he's not looking past Florian, which isn't impossible for me to imagine.
 

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If he looks past Florian he will lose, of that I am confident. Florian dominating 2 divisions? Good lord, he couldnt hang at 170, he is a thin little accountant looking fighter.

Also, I see Forrest trying to take Anderson down and take a 3 rd decision that way, but he will get caught and KO'd
 
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As an avid Penn fan, I agree that I would not be eager for him to fight GSP in the future, unless GSP declines in talent dramatically, whilst Penn maintains and/or improves. Less provided situation, I don't see a point to a Penn/GSP 2, at all.

I think BJ is still sore from how dominated he was. Losing a fight filled with exchanges is one thing, losing a fight where it was completely one sided is another. I'm thinking this GSP loss is really effing with his head, but I hope not and I really hope he's not looking past Florian, which isn't impossible for me to imagine.
I think you mean, "lest", soldier. :drillsergeant: And it would be Penn/GSP III! Your MMA license is henceforth rescinded.
 
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As an avid Penn fan, I agree that I would not be eager for him to fight GSP in the future, unless GSP declines in talent dramatically, whilst Penn maintains and/or improves. Less provided situation, I don't see a point to a Penn/GSP 2, at all.

I think BJ is still sore from how dominated he was. Losing a fight filled with exchanges is one thing, losing a fight where it was completely one sided is another. I'm thinking this GSP loss is really effing with his head, but I hope not and I really hope he's not looking past Florian, which isn't impossible for me to imagine.
It would be their 3rd match up. And I was thinking about this idea with Twinkle Toes coming back to the UFC, why not a Hughes/Trigg for a 3rd time and I don't see it happening because Hughes has 2 wins already. GSP has 2 Ws on Penn so any rematches would be a complete waste. The only reason Chuck and Randy and maybe a couple others worked is because Randy won the first and Chuck the second.
 
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I think you mean, "lest", soldier. :drillsergeant: And it would be Penn/GSP III! Your MMA license is henceforth rescinded.
Oh damn, that's right. I'm surprised Rodja's ear didn't start to itch, as is the usual symptoms when factual inaccuracies occur in here.
 
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Oh damn, that's right. I'm surprised Rodja's ear didn't start to itch, as is the usual symptoms when factual inaccuracies occur in here.
Ha, no kidding. You're my boy, blue; so I took it easy on you.
 
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How hurt is Leites right now going from #1 contender to undercard. If there's extra time left over I'd opt for the Tamdan fight.
 
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How hurt is Leites right now going from #1 contender to undercard. If there's extra time left over I'd opt for the Tamdan fight.
Serves him right. I am getting a bit tired of the Anderson Silva-propagated notion that MMArtists have no obligation to entertain the fans.
 

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this fight is tailor made for Anderson to excite the fans. Forrest will go in to swing (based on history of course), so Anderson being as accurate as he is should punish him, then the talk will be about him as the best in the world again
 
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Oddly enough, a think a boring win damages Anderson's P4P status more than an exciting loss.
 
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BJ should pull for a Hughes rematch if he loses to Florian.
 
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By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports Aug 5, 11:40 pm EDT

PHILADELPHIA – B.J. Penn’s not a bad guy, though he plays one on TV.

The Ultimate Fighting Championship’s fabulously talented lightweight titleholder is also its biggest enigma. Some see him as a spoiled rich kid who speaks before he thinks and pouts if he doesn’t get his way, but Penn insists that’s a description of him spoken by a person who doesn’t know him.

He wasn’t happy with the way he was portrayed on the UFC “Primetime” series on Spike TV that was broadcast prior to his January welterweight title fight at UFC 94 in Las Vegas against Georges St. Pierre.

He’s also begun to voice his displeasure with several mixed martial arts websites and blogs that he believes haven’t been fair to him over the years.

J.D. Penn, B.J.’s brother and manager, said the show wouldn’t work unless there was a good guy and a bad guy.

“You had St. Pierre, so they took B.J. and made him look like the bad guy,” he said. “It was like in boxing what they did with (Oscar) De La Hoya and (Floyd) Mayweather Jr. They needed that. B.J. is more vocal, he’s around town, he talks to kids, he does a lot of stuff.

“They made it look like he wasn’t training and isn’t dedicated to the sport. And they didn’t show the good things that B.J. does. They didn’t show him going to schools, talking to kids, signing autographs and doing whatever he can to promote the sport. They just grabbed onto the fact he wasn’t training, in their perception, as hard as he should be. And they decided to focus on that and not show all the other things good he does. That was a way to get the good guy against the bad guy thing they needed.”

The spoiled rich kid theme is one that arose again after Penn filed a complaint with the Nevada Athletic Commission following his one-sided loss to St. Pierre, alleging that St. Pierre was greasing.

Penn’s mother testified on his behalf, though the commission took no action. Penn was ridiculed by many fans as a spoiled rich kid who needs his mother to fight his battles for him, but Penn doesn’t get it.

“Where does that come from?” Penn asked incredulously. “I’ve heard that a lot, but I don’t understand it. Do people talk about Kenny Florian coming from a wealthy family and all this? I don’t think they do. People say these things about me when they don’t even know me.”

Penn, who will defend his title against Florian on Saturday at the Wachovia Center in the main event of UFC 101, says what he believes despite the consequences. He understands that his willingness to answer any question is going to rankle many, but he’s long since passed the stage of worrying about it.

“You can’t make everyone happy no matter what,” Penn said. “All I can do is live my life and try to be successful and please myself. I have my own morals I live by. Bill Cosby once said, ‘I don’t know the key to success but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.’ I agree with that. I live my life my way. I try to do the right thing, but I know there are going to be people who aren’t happy with what I do or say no matter what, so I’m not going to worry about it.”

Penn is one of the few fighters who is blunt and doesn’t dodge a direct question. In a sport where many of his peers give politically correct answers and stray far away from controversial topics, Penn freely dives in with no hesitation.

Penn said he believes St. Pierre uses steroids, though he concedes he has no proof. St. Pierre is arguably the sport’s most popular fighter and Penn knows that making such allegations isn’t going to win him any friends.

Penn, though, isn’t the type to be shy about offering his opinion though it may be unpopular.

“It’s just my opinion that he uses steroids,” Penn said. “That’s it. My opinion. I do believe it. I can’t hand you any proof, but that’s my opinion.”

In an earlier conversation on the topic, Penn said, “In my opinion, he doesn’t play by the rules when it comes to steroids and growth hormones and that stuff. Look at him. He’s the worst. He looks like that every day. That’s cheating. There is a reason why there are rules against using steroids. The rest of us, we get fat, then we train and get skinny and the cycle goes over and over again. He looks the same way all the time. Come on.”

St. Pierre’s manager, Shari Spencer, scoffed at the suggestion and said she would not dignify it with a response, though she denied St. Pierre is a steroid user.

Greg Jackson, one of St. Pierre’s trainers, laughed at the thought.

“Georges is a phenomenal athlete and he’s such an honorable guy, if he felt he cheated, even inadvertently, it would drive him crazy and he wouldn’t be able to sleep,” Jackson said.

Raffi Nahabedian, a Las Vegas attorney who has represented Penn since 2005 on several issues, including the greasing controversy, called Penn “one of the more remarkable men I’ve met in my life.”

Penn has had prefight issues with several fighters, including Sean Sherk about steroids and Florian about whether or not he tipped Penn off to the fact that St. Pierre is a greaser.

Nahabedian said Penn knew that by pushing the greasing allegations and forcing the commission to hold a hearing, he’d open himself to scorn and ridicule, but he was undeterred.

“We had conversations about public perception,” Nahabedian said. “And as we’ve expressed publicly, B.J. has such a strong conviction about his values that he was willing to sacrifice those fans who don’t appreciate his cause. It’s not that he doesn’t want those fans. In his mind, though, he’s saying, ‘What kind of fans are these who would rally behind me if they don’t believe the sport should be completely clean and devoid of any unfair advantage?’ He’s amazing because he believes so strongly and is willing to go forward with something when he believes it’s the right thing to do even if he knows there are going to be consequences.”

Penn knows there are going to be consequences if he doesn’t perform against Florian, who has won six in a row since losing a previous title shot to Sherk in 2006.

Penn hired strength and conditioning guru Marv Marinovich and believes he’s in far better condition than he’s ever been.

And coming off a loss, he sounded like former President Clinton after he lost control of Congress during the midterm elections in 1994.

“I’m the lightweight champion of the world and I’m definitely still relevant,” Penn said. “I’m very hungry and I’m ready and willing to fight anyone. All this talk and all this other stuff, none of that matters now. This is a fight. We’re going to walk into the cage and they’re going to close the door and then, that’s all that is going to matter. And I’m ready for a fight.

“Really ready.”
 
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anyone know where to find the audio of the press conference today? I'm curious to know why Dana is so pissed at Strikeforce. Its like punching the guy because his girlfriend pissed you off...
 
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Giving interviews on GSP several days before fighting Kenny Florian certainly does not bode well for BJ. We have all said the only way for KenFlo to win is for BJ to come in unfocused, unwilling, etc...
 
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anyone know where to find the audio of the press conference today? I'm curious to know why Dana is so pissed at Strikeforce. Its like punching the guy because his girlfriend pissed you off...
I believe from a professional stand point, Dana has tried to show Strikeforce a bit of respect, on contingency that Strikeforce avoided poking at the beast (The UFC). I'm "assuming" from Dana's business oriented mind, that outbidding The UFC and signing Fedor was a direct act of business aggression. My guess is that whenever the next Fedor fight is, Dana will load up an undeniably rich card for the same weekend and attempt to sink the good ship Strikeforce.

I don't think Fedor has enough U.S. notoriety for Strikeforce to have stepped on Dana's toes for, one foreigner vs the world of UFC, not smart in my opinion. Business is business, but don't bite the hand that can bitch slap you, if you're in a position to be bitch slapped.

P.S. This is all personal speculation, I didn't hear the audio or read anything about this interview you spoke of.
 
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Giving interviews on GSP several days before fighting Kenny Florian certainly does not bode well for BJ. We have all said the only way for KenFlo to win is for BJ to come in unfocused, unwilling, etc...

BLAST!!!


 
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My guess is that whenever the next Fedor fight is, Dana will load up an undeniably rich card for the same weekend and attempt to sink the good ship Strikeforce
I feel Dana will also take the cover off the money pool, and sequester Strikeforce's assets whenever possible. It would not surprise me in the least if Dana's team has already begun speaking to Diaz, Shields, Lawler, Melendez, Thomson, Carano, Mousasi etc., etc., etc., in order to rob Strikeforce's growing talent pool.
 
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I feel Dana will also take the cover off the money pool, and sequester Strikeforce's assets whenever possible. It would not surprise me in the least if Dana's team has already begun speaking to Diaz, Shields, Lawler, Melendez, Thomson, Carano, Mousasi etc., etc., etc., in order to rob Strikeforce's growing talent pool.
Coker clearly did not receive the take away message from God Father II. Now he's gotta go on a quite boat ride on the lake.
 
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Quote of the Day: Dana White - "Fedor Will Put Strikeforce out of Business"

U-faber_tiny by Nick Thomas on Aug 6, 2009 3:47 PM EDT in News Comment 215 comments

"They have no money, no fighters. They're a small-town show." "Cung Le hasn't defended the title since like 1997. Josh Thomson hasn't defended the belt in like two years. Who's their other champion? Alistair Overeem? He hasn't defended the belt in like two years. It's Strike-Farce. It's a little regional show with no one in it."

"Fedor will put them out of business." "They have no money and no distribution. You know how many people watch their fights? Their last fight [on Showtime cable], 245,000 people watched that fight. That's nothing."

Strikeforce should have stayed the way they were." ... "If they want to fight me, we’re gonna fight. We know how that goes, and we know how it ends."
 
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Quote of the Day: Dana White - "Fedor Will Put Strikeforce out of Business"

U-faber_tiny by Nick Thomas on Aug 6, 2009 3:47 PM EDT in News Comment 215 comments

"They have no money, no fighters. They're a small-town show." "Cung Le hasn't defended the title since like 1997. Josh Thomson hasn't defended the belt in like two years. Who's their other champion? Alistair Overeem? He hasn't defended the belt in like two years. It's Strike-Farce. It's a little regional show with no one in it."

"Fedor will put them out of business." "They have no money and no distribution. You know how many people watch their fights? Their last fight [on Showtime cable], 245,000 people watched that fight. That's nothing."

Strikeforce should have stayed the way they were." ... "If they want to fight me, we’re gonna fight. We know how that goes, and we know how it ends."
[intro trumpet solo from the God Father]
 
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"Don't bite the hand that can bitch slap ye, whilst ye be in a position to be bitch slappethed" - VolcomX311, 2009
 
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I feel Dana will also take the cover off the money pool, and sequester Strikeforce's assets whenever possible. It would not surprise me in the least if Dana's team has already begun speaking to Diaz, Shields, Lawler, Melendez, Thomson, Carano, Mousasi etc., etc., etc., in order to rob Strikeforce's growing talent pool.
You think Dana paid Barnett more than his fight payout to purposely get caught with substance in his system? :D
 
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You think Dana paid Barnett more than his fight payout to purposely get caught with substance in his system? :D
:paranoid::paranoid::paranoid:

Realistically, no, but I wouldn't exactly have a heart attack if I ever found out that was the case.
 
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Whether or not he did, he should SAY he did to put the fear in his opposition's hearts!

If we see Josh back in UFC in a year or so then it might be a given.
 
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We're both part of the same hypocrisy, senator, but never think it applies to my family
 

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As an avid Penn fan, I agree that I would not be eager for him to fight GSP in the future, unless GSP declines in talent dramatically, whilst Penn maintains and/or improves. Less provided situation, I don't see a point to a Penn/GSP 2, at all.

I think BJ is still sore from how dominated he was. Losing a fight filled with exchanges is one thing, losing a fight where it was completely one sided is another. I'm thinking this GSP loss is really effing with his head, but I hope not and I really hope he's not looking past Florian, which isn't impossible for me to imagine.
If losing the GSP fight in the manner that he did is messing w/ his head....that MAY not be a bad thing. All depends in what way it's messing with him you know? He might be super motivated (going to Cali to train w/ Marv Marinovich, same guy my MAIN man Troy Polamalu works with) to come in great shape. IMHO, I don't think the outcome would have been different, but I think BJ is better than what we saw in that fight against GSP. That's just me though. People may not like the guy, and I can understand why, but he is absolutely phenomenal. He's mean, he got a few screws loose, and he's super talented. Not taking anything away from Florian, but I think BJ KO's KenFlo.
 
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Well, considering that BJ Penn is posting video responses to Kevin Iole's article - wherein he spoke about GSP the whole time; you know, not the person he is fighting - two days before his fight, I think it's safe to say it messed with his head in a counterproductive way. First of all, Penn clearly accuses GSP of steroid use, and then is surprised when Kevin Iole asks somebody else aside from BJ whether or not that's true! Anyway, the investigative journalism here is incidental to the fact that, two days before his fight with KenFlo, BJ is still whining about losing to GSP - that cannot be stressed enough.

http://www.cagepotato.com/bj-penn-apologizes-“all-parties-involved”-doesn’t-retract-statement-about-gspsteroids
 
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