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I think this has the potential to be the fight of the night for UFC 100. I know it's not till July, but I'm jacked for this one and am gonna have to pick Thiago Alves from American Top Team. What do you guys think?
I'm taking Brock over Mir, but not necessarily based on talent, I just don't like Mir and I do like Brock. High level BJJ vs High level wrestling and general beastnasity. I would normally give that nod to high level BJJ over high level wrestling, but we'll see if Brock's beastnasity will play a role.GSP via howeverthef**K he pleases :AR15firing: Also I take Mir over Brock and Hendo over Bisping .
dittoGSP via howeverthef**K he pleases :AR15firing: Also I take Mir over Brock and Hendo over Bisping .
You and I usually agree, but I will have to dissent here. GSP crushed Hughes twice in his prime, and has beaten BJ once, with one being a dominating win - a win, at that, which came when BJ was again being touted as one of the best P4P fighters. Thiago beat Hughes on the downslide, however. Aside from that, they share wins over Karo and Kos; however, Thiago's win over Kos came with Kos jumping in with a week to go, and it was still close. GSP dominated a UFC WW division in its prime, so to say the only difference is BJ and Fitch is premature.GSP wins, however to say he hasn't beathen anyone is silly. The only difference is BJ and Fitch between the two.
Either way, GSP via GnP rd 2
I agree: Alvez could not look GSP in the eye, and after the fight he reached out to grab his hand. It reminds me of GSP/Hughes I staredown.Alves looked intimidated by GSP at the end of the Penn/GSP fight (but that's just my subjective speculation). A mental self defeat may or may not be part of the equation, GSP/Serra 1, Lidell/Tito (all of them) style.
whats the beef with GSP?I am hoping Thiago wins only because I can't stand GSP. Alves is a pretty respectable fighter.
Just dont care for the guy lol. Call me crazy.whats the beef with GSP?
This is how i feel about Brock as opposed to Pierre . Dont know why but he just rubs me the wrong way . My roommate hates GSP for sounding so much like Jean-Claude Van Damme :dunno:Just dont care for the guy lol. Call me crazy.
dat...dats what i tinkYou and I usually agree, but I will have to dissent here. GSP crushed Hughes twice in his prime, and has beaten BJ once, with one being a dominating win - a win, at that, which came when BJ was again being touted as one of the best P4P fighters. Thiago beat Hughes on the downslide, however. Aside from that, they share wins over Karo and Kos; however, Thiago's win over Kos came with Kos jumping in with a week to go, and it was still close. GSP dominated a UFC WW division in its prime, so to say the only difference is BJ and Fitch is premature.
Alves wins this fight 2/10 times, as he really has nothing substantial to offer GSP. It will be far more competitive than GSP/Penn II, but still a dominating performance by GSP.
Lol, that's completely legit in my book. That was hilarious.This is how i feel about Brock as opposed to Pierre . Dont know why but he just rubs me the wrong way . My roommate hates GSP for sounding so much like Jean-Claude Van Damme :dunno:
Yeah try as I might I've not been able to argue his logic on that one . Pierre really does sound like Van Damme and now I notice it every time he speaks .Lol, that's completely legit in my book. That was hilarious.
I think the only thing that Alves brings is size. He will be a bigger WW than GSP has faced. However, I think GSP adjusts in short order. The only sad thing is that it shows there is nothing at 170 for GSPYou and I usually agree, but I will have to dissent here. GSP crushed Hughes twice in his prime, and has beaten BJ once, with one being a dominating win - a win, at that, which came when BJ was again being touted as one of the best P4P fighters. Thiago beat Hughes on the downslide, however. Aside from that, they share wins over Karo and Kos; however, Thiago's win over Kos came with Kos jumping in with a week to go, and it was still close. GSP dominated a UFC WW division in its prime, so to say the only difference is BJ and Fitch is premature.
Alves wins this fight 2/10 times, as he really has nothing substantial to offer GSP. It will be far more competitive than GSP/Penn II, but still a dominating performance by GSP.
I agree with all of it. It does, unfortunately, show that the WW division is going the way of the LHW: a champion with no contenders. Same thing here, insofar as at one time we had Hughes [while good], GSP, BJ, Sherk, Trigg, and Karo in an ultra-competitive division. The way in which GSP dispatched and outwrestled both Fitch and Kos makes me entirely unexcited for any possible rematch there.I think the only thing that Alves brings is size. He will be a bigger WW than GSP has faced. However, I think GSP adjusts in short order. The only sad thing is that it shows there is nothing at 170 for GSP
Other fights:
Hendo via tko rd 3
Brock tko rd 1 (similar to the first fight)
I can see where you're coming from. I don't think he'll ever shake his WWE, character charisma and will probably always be dramatically cocky to try and market himself. Although, on MMA radio and Bodybuilding Radio, he behaved like a normal person. Nonetheless, I can see how that would irritate you.i know gsp is way more rounded than alves but i do think alves can give gsp some problems, gsp is big for the weight class but alves is even bigger which could give gsp some problems, i'd like to see alves win but i'm in the minority, as for the other fights i think hendo over bisbing and brock over mir even though i can't stand brock lesnar in the ufc, listening to him in interviews just makes me hate him more and more everytime his cocky attitude says anything, and for the fact that he got a title shot so quickly
It is definitely annoying to the purist, but I think Brock's persona is fabricate to generated sales and so forth. I have heard in training he is a very humble person.I can see where you're coming from. I don't think he'll ever shake his WWE, character charisma and will probably always be dramatically cocky to try and market himself. Although, on MMA radio and Bodybuilding Radio, he behaved like a normal person. Nonetheless, I can see how that would irritate you.
In non-MMA related interviews I've heard, he's really, really humble. He gets dramatic because that's what he's used to and you nailed it on the head, he's trying to generate a persona to either be loved or hated, because both sale. As annoying as the whole, "can you see me now!" bit gets, it's him trying to sell his character. Nonetheless, a personality that strong will inevitably annoy some, so it's understandable.It is definitely annoying to the purist, but I think Brock's persona is fabricate to generated sales and so forth. I have heard in training he is a very humble person.
You think so, re: lingering fear of exchange? He had several exchanges with Fitch - a striker, albeit, nowhere on the level of Alvez - and seemed wiling to exchange with BJ before he demoralized him. (Also keeping in mind BJ brutalized GSP in their first fight, eye-poke-induced or not; so really, a fear would have been present there if anywhere.) I just feel that the argument you give above is a very similar argument proposed for GSP/Penn II: GSP may be unable to utilize his wrestling, and is outmatched on the feet; and, we all know how that turned out. As well, I would rank BJ's TDD due to his dexterity well above Alves'.The huge, and I mean huge, X-factor in this fight is GSP's head. The memory of what happened against Serra (fluke or not, it happened) seems to still linger in his unwillingness to exchange. I know that his competitive advantage is his TD/GnP, but he is dealing with the most dynamic striker in his career in this fight. Kos and Hughes were unable to mount any sort of TD/GnP agianst Thiago, but I do believe that GSP is in a higher tier than them in terms of MMA TD. I expect GSP to use his front-switch kick to find his range and then use that to set-up his shot/TD.
I'm pretty sure that Kos took the fight on 4 weeks notice as opposed to 1, but the fact still remains he took it on short notice. The difference between BJ and Thiago on the feet is apparent and I think that GSP had the perfect gameplan for that fight. By the end of the 1st, BJ was already gassing out because of how much bigger and stronger GSP is.You think so, re: lingering fear of exchange? He had several exchanges with Fitch - a striker, albeit, nowhere on the level of Alvez - and seemed wiling to exchange with BJ before he demoralized him. (Also keeping in mind BJ brutalized GSP in their first fight, eye-poke-induced or not; so really, a fear would have been present there if anywhere.) I just feel that the argument you give above is a very similar argument proposed for GSP/Penn II: GSP may be unable to utilize his wrestling, and is outmatched on the feet; and, we all know how that turned out. As well, I would rank BJ's TDD due to his dexterity well above Alves'.
From my perspective, Alvez's TDD is being overestimated. You could say he has fought three elite wrestlers: Kos, Hughes, and Fitch. However, Kos took the fight on a week's notice, Hughes' loss was his third in four fights, and Fitch defeated him; and to that end, GSP dominated the wrestling-match with all three of those fighters - and so, it is difficult to estimate how Alves will fair against [arguably] the best MMA-wrestler in MMA. None of the three above had the athleticism of GSP, which usually pays dividends in GSP's fights.
Unless Alves catches GSP with an early TKO/KO, this fight will play out similar to GSP's last five fights post-Serra I: find his range in the first round, aggressively pursue TDs through the second round and beyond, wear his opponent out, and then score a convincing UD and/or finish the fight. If Alves can use brute-strength to avoid TDs, he has a chance; if not, it will be a pretty dominant win by GSP.
One of the ways I see Thiago winning is by tagging GSP and showing off his explosive power.I think GSP will get caught for some reason.
Is anybody willing to take a $25 NP gift certificate bet on this?
Haha, who do you think? I swing-swing on GSP's testes, brother.Who are you picking??? :dunno: :684:
lol - No I am not. Trust me, I hate picking against GSP. Excellent fighter, great person and very humble gentlemen. I really, really like both guys and have been following them for a long time, but if GSP cant get Alves down (which i think he can, inconsistantly though) then GSP good striking will only last so long against Alves excellent striking.Are you a wagering man? I just made a $25 NP gift certificate off of the Penguins in the Cup Final, I would love to make it 2/2!
Damn, thought I had somebody! I definitely understand all your points, as they are all valid. IMO, though, GSP has faced individuals with greater TDD [Kos, BJ] and taken them down consistently. Let's not forget that his last two fights consisted of passing Jon Fitch's guard, a feet never accomplished, and utterly dominating BJ Penn and taking him down at will. In all honesty, GSP will have issues with TDs the first round, and take Alvez down and pound him thereafter.lol - No I am not. Trust me, I hate picking against GSP. Excellent fighter, great person and very humble gentlemen. I really, really like both guys and have been following them for a long time, but if GSP cant get Alves down (which i think he can, inconsistantly though) then GSP good striking will only last so long against Alves excellent striking.
Also, I agree with you, GSP's head has been cleared a long time ago.
He was always a big WW, but he never garnered much attention until he KO'd Karo. He's added about 3-5 lbs of LBM a year since '05.how the fark does thiago go from being a normal looking 170pound fighter to the very large unusualy muscualr guy we seen when he faught matt hughes? obviouse he has used but how does he manage not to get caught?
Thiago can be strong, and a devastating ko guy but he will be hard pressed to do so against a fast, explosive, throwing, takedown artist in gsp. I think thiago gets smothered in this fight and when he does get tired gets gnp'ed.Here is something else I was thinking about: how much will the cut affect Thiago's strength? If he is truly 200lbs pre-fight - which quite a few reports say he is - than a substantial portion of that 30lbs is going to be lean mass - i.e., decided strength loss. If he does not lose a lot of lean mass, that is 200lbs worth of oxygen-consuming muscle against one of the best-conditioned athletes in MMA - i.e., the possibility for gassing.
If Thiago has a hope in this fight, it is a KO/TKO within the first two rounds; outside of those first two rounds, I would say his chances are 10-15%. Even within those two rounds, it depends on how much strength he retains. Also, reports out of people who have been to TriStar gym are that GSP has put on quite a bit of lean mass for this fight. Does this negate Thiago's strength, the weight drop notwithstanding? We will see!
I have actually changed my prediction: GSP via dominating victory.
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