Anderson v thalies-5 round snoozfest
- 04-19-2009, 07:54 AM
- 04-19-2009, 08:45 AM
I cant figure Anderson out, two sub par performances in a row, maybe he is bored with the competition at 185Official Get Diesel Representative
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- 04-19-2009, 08:50 AM
04-19-2009, 11:13 AM
They were both on their bicycles at one point or other. I think (this is just my opinion) that Silva feels that he's defending the belt and if you want it, you have to bring the fight to him. I thought he looked great and superior to Leites and defended by keeping the fight on the feet (mostly) to unravel Leites' game plan. It might've been boring but he took little, if any, damage and retained the title. Here is the fight!
04-19-2009, 12:29 PM
04-19-2009, 12:43 PM
Yeah, Silva really had no reason to pursue... He has the tittle, he was landing well, why does anyone even expect him to have to press forward to get a knockout is something I don't understand...
Why would he leave himself open to losing or getting caught when gameplan and strikes have been working perfectly?
04-19-2009, 01:25 PM
like i said, i believe anderson was trying to engage, latieas (spelling) needed to be the agressor for sure. Anderson looked very frustrated with the whole thing.
04-19-2009, 01:42 PM
I think the, "he is the title holder, and therefore can aimlessly L n' P argument" is not valid at all. Look at the pressing, aggressive style of other current champions; retaining a belt does not entitle you to become an entirely different [and less dynamic, more boring] fighter. Fedor or GSP, for example [using these due to all the P4P # 1 talk] did not begin aimlessly meandering around the ring/cage during a belt defense because the competitor did not fight an entirely aggressive style.
I fear I have officially become unimpressed with A. Silva, and this is building off his Cote performance.
04-19-2009, 01:55 PM
04-19-2009, 02:46 PM
04-19-2009, 02:55 PM
I think a lot of you guys *but not all of you) should take a few BJJ lessons.
I completely understand that the fight may not have been flashy and much to look at, but you have to remember that the UFC and MMA in general is a SPORT. Silva did exactly what he had to do to win. Leites is a BJJ world champion (It seems like everyone in the ufc is...) and Anderson "The Spider" Silva, A Muay Thai expert.
When was the last time you heard an NFL fan complain when the QB takes a knee, when his team is winning, and there is 30 seconds left in the game?
Silva Vs. Leites was a very techincal, although like I said earlier, I agree to the general population it wasnt much to look at. Leites didnt want to get into a brawl, because he knew that Silva would have destroyed him. Silva didnt want to go to the ground because he is a stand up fighter.
04-19-2009, 03:46 PM
I've only seen Silva's last 2 fights, and I'm completely disappointed with him and utterly confused when Rogan says he's the best fighter "pound for pound". Perhaps he was better in the past - but the past is the past. He's just boring and showboaty now. Lyoto Machida and Hoyce Gracie are/were extremely defensive fighters too, but still had enough offense to entertain the crowd.
I am also not impressed by the whole "lands 80% of his strikes" or whatever the stat was. When a guy hasn't thrown a punch in the first 3 minutes and I'm not even sure he threw 5 in that whole first 5 minutes, it shouldn't be that hard to have better accuracy.
I'm not saying the other guy wasn't any better, but the only thing in common with Silva's last 2 amazingly boring fights is Silva. He's like the Minnesota Wild of MMA. Just a very bad and boring "main event". I'd be very mad if I had paid money to see that.
All I can say is that whoever Sliva fights next - it should not be considered the main event.
Note: I also hate that saying "pound for pound". What the heck does that mean? If Silva gained weight up to Fedor's level, Fedor would still destroy him. It's not like Silva is going to increase his speed as he gets heavier.
Ah, gotta love armchair coaches/critics as I sit safely outside of the cage in my comfy house, lol!
04-19-2009, 04:05 PM
I feel we should avoid confusing technical with disengaging and passive; both qualities we could justifiably impart to Anderson last night. My impression is this: Anderson now assumes that each fight must be brought to him, and his former engaging, aggressive style is too worthy of his opponents.
Anderson is a Muay Thai expert, but his BJJ is also phenomenal. While not at the level of Thales, it is certainly apt enough to defend subs in guard, and inflict damage on Thales with elbow strikes and so forth. The few times the fight ventured to the ground, Anderson attempted little in the way of damaging strikes: he seemed too preoccupied with appearing "frustrated" to be engaged with the task at hand. Fedor has accomplished appreciably more than Anderson, but he has yet to dance around the ring like a moron, trying to clown and demean his opponents. The fight was boring due to a lackluster performance from both fighters, and; considering he is becoming increasingly more represented as the P4P # 1, Anderson should adhere to higher standards.
I stand by my statement that the fight was highly disappointing, as has Anderson's performance in his past two fights. As I say, you do not earn the right to hop around the Octagon like a Chippendale's dancer because you have cleaned out the most notoriously weak division in MMA; particularly when half of the best MWs are not even in your organization.
04-19-2009, 04:57 PM
they both had poor performances. silva should of gone harder at him and instead he tried to act like it was not his fault. Leites should have also gone harder and not have ****ty takedown attempts. he does look really bored in 185 and he wasnt really challenged at all. he should of jsut finished it like cote instead of drag them out. he had plenty of chances to end. dana white said hes embarrsed over the main event. he would start punching him on the ground and then stop get up and walk away when he was in no danger of a submission. we will see silva soon at 205 and it will most likely be good so whatever its MMA sh!t like this happends
04-19-2009, 06:16 PM
04-19-2009, 07:09 PM
04-19-2009, 07:15 PM
If he was truly the best fighter in the world, people wouldnt fall on their backs hoping to get in a grappling match. The best pound for pound fighter should be good everywhere hence his ooponent wont avoid any single aspect of the fight.
As far as Spider's opponents. They need to start setting some fights up a little better and making his ooponents at least believe they have a chance. Right now White literally talks like he is feeding sheep to a lion when he talks about the 185 division.
04-19-2009, 07:18 PM
Also back in the old days no one had the belt until the end of the tournament. That made for some good fights. The belt should be up for grabs every night. that should make the fighters more aggressive.
Disclaimer: I know this is a hair away from impossible but it would be sweet.
04-19-2009, 07:39 PM
Leites didnt even look good trying to keep him on the ground. it was just a stupid fight and he needs more exciting opponents. nate mar round 2 would have even been better.
04-20-2009, 12:45 AM
04-20-2009, 05:38 AM
anderson needs his oponents to come to him,like when he first came to ufc all his oponents came to him and threw punchs and he conterstriked his way to ko'es but now it seems everyone has to much respect for him and wont engage in a stand up fight DANA SHOULD PUT GSP IN FRONT OF HIM THEN WE WILL SEE A F@!$!KIN FIGHT!!!
04-20-2009, 05:57 AM
Have you guys seen the real transcript from his post fight interview?
Apparently he said "boo all you want, you guys still pay my ****ing wages".
A lot of other ****ty comments were made by him aswell, but the translator (his manager) tones it down.
04-20-2009, 06:10 AM
04-20-2009, 06:25 AM
04-20-2009, 07:11 AM
04-20-2009, 10:31 AM
04-20-2009, 12:00 PM
04-20-2009, 12:01 PM
Yes. Snooze indeed. I hope he didn't get any sort of bonus check what so ever. At least Dana was as irritated as the rest of us in that interview that was posted.
04-20-2009, 12:36 PM
04-20-2009, 01:01 PM
04-20-2009, 01:14 PM
04-20-2009, 01:37 PM
GSP is a perfect example why the arguments in this thread defending Silva are ridiculous: BJ's BJJ is world-class, but GSP consistently and willingly took BJ to the ground and dominated. A champion should be willing and prepared to engage everywhere.
As I said, the few times the fight did venture to the ground with Silva in guard, he feigned a few weak strikes, and then stood-up with a, "WTF?" look on his face. Which is odd, because I had the same look when I watched that pathetic bout.
04-20-2009, 02:05 PM
04-20-2009, 02:12 PM
I was at the GSP-BJ Penn fight in January and the atmosphere was just electric. Even during all of the undercard fights, people were shouting GSP and USA (for Penn). At GSP's post-fight party at Rok (NYNY), I asked Firas if Anderson was next for GSP and he confirmed "no" at this time. The consensus is that there are other good 170 lb fighters out there that will make for an entertaining fight with GSP. Even at at a catch weight, I don't think GSP would take the fight. If Anderson can cut to 170 lb, then that is a different story entirely. In my opinion, GSP is the best all around pound-for-pound, entertaining fighter in the UFC. However, if he had to fight Anderson at anything above 170 he would be at a severe size disadvantage and I think it would be difficult for him to defeat Anderson (especially if Anderson spent the entire fight on the defensive and countering only).
04-20-2009, 03:43 PM
04-20-2009, 03:52 PM
I see no reason that a champion needs to fight the fight the challenger or even the fans want him to. Each MMA match starts on your feet - each round starts on your feet. If one is a BJJ champion and wants to take it to the ground, then he needs to have a plan and the skills to take it there, not just fall down and lay there, hoping your opponent will be stupid enough to fall into your guard.
Silva fought the fight he needed to fight to win - Leites lost. Were I Silva, I would not take the chance of jumping into Leites' guard just because he and the fans wanted me to.
04-20-2009, 04:55 PM
I agree completely. GSP is, in my opinion, higher in the P4P rankings, but he would be at an appreciable size disadvantage. This being said, GSP's body-type and training is such that a 20lb muscle gain is not out of the question. (He has said himself this would be the only circumstance under which he would fight Anderson). If GSP bulked to ~200 and cut to 185, the size differential would not be so substantial as to predict a loss, IMO.I was at the GSP-BJ Penn fight in January and the atmosphere was just electric. Even during all of the undercard fights, people were shouting GSP and USA (for Penn). At GSP's post-fight party at Rok (NYNY), I asked Firas if Anderson was next for GSP and he confirmed "no" at this time. The consensus is that there are other good 170 lb fighters out there that will make for an entertaining fight with GSP. Even at at a catch weight, I don't think GSP would take the fight. If Anderson can cut to 170 lb, then that is a different story entirely. In my opinion, GSP is the best all around pound-for-pound, entertaining fighter in the UFC. However, if he had to fight Anderson at anything above 170 he would be at a severe size disadvantage and I think it would be difficult for him to defeat Anderson (especially if Anderson spent the entire fight on the defensive and countering only).
04-20-2009, 05:04 PM
The stats say that GSP is 5'10", but in person he looks much closer to 5'9". Anderson is 6'2"+ so the height and reach advantage would be difficult to overcome. I do agree that GSP could easily bulk up to 200+ and then cut to 185 (especially if USPLabs provided him with some free supplements--I can't think of a better potential spokesperson for PRIME). At only 27 years of age though, I don't know if he is ready to move up weight classes until he has demolished all of the top 170 pounders. At a bulked up 185, I think Anderson would still be the heavy favorite; however, if he continues to fight conservatively (as he has recently), I think that could play into GSPs hands. Hopefully someday we will find out!I agree completely. GSP is, in my opinion, higher in the P4P rankings, but he would be at an appreciable size disadvantage. This being said, GSP's body-type and training is such that a 20lb muscle gain is not out of the question. (He has said himself this would be the only circumstance under which he would fight Anderson). If GSP bulked to ~200 and cut to 185, the size differential would not be so substantial as to predict a loss, IMO.
04-20-2009, 06:37 PM
04-20-2009, 06:44 PM
I think its TL's fault a little more because if hes so good he should have took him down with a good game plan hes freakin 185 so he must of been 195 or 200 the day of the fight. take anderson down and sudmit him instead you saw horrible skills. TL in my eyes is FARRRRR more boring. keep silva down damnit dont let him get up. silva might of been boring but TL is not a good opponent and had a lame game plan to fall back in his guard. silva should of been fighting bisping or nate mar even tho he lost to TL(stupid). he should of already moved to a temp 205 after the cote fight IMO.
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