Now that rampage has won. rampage vs rashad?
- 03-25-2009, 01:02 PM
- 03-25-2009, 03:01 PM
One thing I don't agree too much is the rush to put Rampage back in the tittle shot.
He's a great fighter, but there are other great fighters in the division. They should give some other guys a tittle shot, most notably, Mashida. Maybe let Rampage have a real battle with someone else before tittle shot, let's say, Page x Griffin 2? Why not? Winner moves on.
Rampage is only 2 fights away from the tittle loss, and lets be honest here, Wanderlei (as much as I love the guy...) hasn't been dominant and is far from the threat he used to be back in Pride days, and is not one of the top contenders anymore, and neither is Jardine. So I'm very much against piggybacking Mashida and giving Page another tittle shot prior.
03-25-2009, 09:04 PM
dude...machida is fighting rashad NOT rampage. rampage turned it down due to rest and recover, minor injury. And he definatly does need a title shot. griffin doesnt deserve a title shot until he beats a guy or 2. griffin needs to fight chuck if chuck beats shogun.
03-26-2009, 12:42 AM
My problem is exactly that, that Page had to TURN IT DOWN in order for Machida to get the shot. I don't understand how someone who's not lost in god knows how long doesn't get a first shot at this, and has to rely upon Page being hurt to get the tittle shot.
So I don't get why Page at first piggybacked Machida at a tittle shot even though he lost not too long ago and only fought a couple of so so fighters.
03-30-2009, 03:45 AM
03-30-2009, 10:15 AM
I thought Forrest Griffin was the one holding the belt when he fought Rashad... My mistake.
And on the other hand, I also thought that Machida is 14-0 in his MMA career. Now he ACTUALLY never lost. No one needs to argue he was robbed by decision against Griffin or anything. He IS unbeaten.
So one has never lost. One lost 2 fights ago, and you have to argue and try to make a point for him that he was robbed in the decision (which I seriously disagree). And it's just fine to put Page back up? Why, because he sells more tickets for UFC and is more popular? Ok...
03-30-2009, 02:40 PM
people who just lost the belt usually get a chance faster. also forrest too kthe belt from jackson and rashad took the belt from forrest. stop arguing about it jackson beat wandy and jardine who are better than thiago and ortiz. machida is great dont get me wrong he could beat all these guys. UFC is looking for a slugfest. it was a close decision but they gave it to page to fight and he didnt take it. people shouldnt be that mad machida would be the first to fight for it anyways and has jsut as good of a chance to beat rashad as he does page. these starts are fighting more often so it wont be waiting that long before another shot.
03-30-2009, 04:45 PM
Yes Machida is 14-0 against weak ass contenders minus his last fight.
I'll tell you why. Because Rampage never lost, period. It doesn't matter whether you agree or not. Rampage is also higher in the rankings, and HAS been ahead of Machida for months. It is fine to put Rampage back up because he deserves it, period. And, because I like him.
I can go beat 3 ten year old asses, it doesn't give me the credibility to call myself a champion. Let Machida fight another name, and then he can deserve a title shot.
Being undefeated is so overrated. None of the best P4P fighters are undefeated, that should tell you something.
03-30-2009, 08:50 PM
hes great and will get even better and do great things but he needs to fight more. tito sucks balls now so he only beat number 10 ranked guy i think. im not counting him out or anything or bashing on him because the UFC sorta screws him but it shouldnt be a big deal that he was behind page.
03-30-2009, 11:10 PM
And for you to say that Rashad is holding Pages belt... Well, it's actually Griffin's belt, seeing he beat Page to get it and he was the last one holding it. Hence why Griffin is actually also ranked ahead of Page...
and only then, Rampage.
And it has been like that for some time now. So it's not quite as either A) he's holding pages belt B) Page is ranked higher than Machida C) Paga has never lost.
03-31-2009, 01:20 AM
Alas, I concede about the rankings. There is no arguing there, but you know those rankings are pretty questionable and up for debate.
I remember seeing Rampage at #2 about a month or so ago. He just won, so I have no clue how he could have gone all the way to #4 and how Griffin is ahead of him. The fact is Griffin got a ****ty decision against Rampage. And, even if you think Griffin won you have to agree that it was by a slim margin. However, Griffin got DESTROYED and should have a lower ranking for that.
I never said Page has NEVER lost. I simply stated he hasn't lost in a long time and his Griffin loss was garbage. And still, you can't prove Machida has proven himself against noteable competition which Rampage has time and time again.
03-31-2009, 02:22 AM
I would say that it has been awhile sense Rampage had a good win, and as far as the Griffin Rampage fight, Rampage simply gave that one away he looked like crap and fought like crap (I am a Rampage fan btw) I am happy with the way things worked out Evans vs. Machida will be a good fight then Rampage gets a shot at the winner down the road.
04-02-2009, 07:53 PM
This was a very classy thread. People were able to disagree and not take it to a personal bashing fest, special kudos to Blah55 and Emerge.
NSCA - CSCS
04-03-2009, 02:00 PM
Machida deserves a shot based on several factors:
1. He has beaten everyone that has been put in front of him...decisively.
2. It is the logical match-up at this moment (it would be about 3-4 months before Page will be ready).
3. His momentum is very high at this moment after beating Tito and KO'ing Thiago.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-03-2009, 02:02 PM
04-03-2009, 02:32 PM
A Rashad/Machida is a very non-stressful match up for me. I like them both, but not one over the other. Rampage on the other hand, I'd be nervous, because I'd really want him to win.
NSCA - CSCS
04-03-2009, 03:57 PM
I'm pulling for Machida on this one. Just because it'll be fun seeing how he reacts to other fights who are put in front of him.
I think Rashad is going to fall at his trap. He's going to back off and just catch him with a counter I think. Rashad is very anxious to get his wins and will stalk Machida. At least that's the way I feel about it.
And then I'll be even more excited to see Page x Machida, as I feel their styles also colide and will provide a very interesting matchup. I think that if Machida can win this belt on this fight he may very well be able to hold it for a little while.
04-03-2009, 04:53 PM
yeah page vs. machida i wouldnt care i like both of them. i just want rashad to lose even tho hes good im still mad he K.O.ed chuck back to the 90's. they both deserve a shot no matter what it was just a little strange how they decided. Page did the right thing.
04-03-2009, 05:02 PM
04-03-2009, 05:30 PM
I hope Evans loses only because I cannot stand someone who acts like he did against Griffin. Grabbing his crotch when he took a shot. I don't mind cockiness, but to me that was just unsportsmanlike. I know it happens, but I still don't like it. But the kid is good. I can't take that from him.
04-03-2009, 05:44 PM
A bunch of fighters play the cooky role (page, chuck, wandy, mir, etc) but they keep it somewhat respectful and they get down to business when its in the cage. Nobody watched him grab his cok in after getting hit by forrest and thought, wow he must be a badass.
04-03-2009, 06:49 PM
04-03-2009, 06:51 PM
04-03-2009, 07:26 PM
I can agree with that as well. I'm sure he could've found something else to do other than what he did.
04-03-2009, 10:20 PM
yeah thats what makes people think UFC is lame. hes pisses me off getting all dressed up blinged out like a basketball palyer or something just like gsp. i know they are trying to be professional and look good but they do it a way that jsut rubs me the wrong way. i hope machida wins and if he doesnt i hope page destroys rashad. rashads fun to watch hes getting good. after watching interviews and also TUF page really won me over that guys flat out cool
04-04-2009, 10:57 AM
04-06-2009, 04:51 PM
I have to admit that I am just a Machida hater. Still though, his win against tito was very unimpressive (to me atleast).
I do want Rashad to beat him, because I think Rampage will match up better against Rashad then against Machida.
04-07-2009, 02:49 AM
I'm not a big fan of the Machida FIGHTS, but I'm a huge fan of Machida himself.
I think his fights are boring, that he doesn't really provide much as far as entertainment goes, but hell, I think he's a great fighter with loads of skills. And I think that if he becomes a champion, the UFC will have nothing to do besides spot him in a few good fights like Page, Griffin, etc, etc. And that would just force Machida prove to the world that even though he's not interesting to watch, he's still got some serious skills and he diserves the tittle.
So yeah, I'm cheering for him on this fight, cheering that he'll take the belt, and that he'll show everyone how you can have defensive skills and still be a great fighter.
04-07-2009, 03:02 AM
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