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    Who's excited about Mark Coleman's Return??


    I AM!

    And as a MMA forum in a bodybuilding website, you guys should too!

    That guy's a Monster! hehehehe.

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    I wonder what he will look like at 205.
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    I've always thought that he has the best body in MMA. Ken Shamrock in his prime would also be a runner up.

    It's the damn cardio that kills these big guys though..
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    There are bigger fighters with better cardio, it's just that his physique is too inplated for his frame.
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    He's a phisical freak, it's unbelieveable. How someone gets to that phisique and still trains hard for MMA, is just something I can't grasp!

    But I think it'll be a fun fight. We'll see probably the strongest 205 ever, wouldn't you guys say? Shogun will have his hands full. We'll see if he hasn't lost a step though, hope not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    He's a phisical freak, it's unbelieveable. How someone gets to that phisique and still trains hard for MMA, is just something I can't grasp!

    But I think it'll be a fun fight. We'll see probably the strongest 205 ever, wouldn't you guys say? Shogun will have his hands full. We'll see if he hasn't lost a step though, hope not.
    Strength and size are not synonymous. If Mauricio is close to his old self, then Coleman will look worse than Rampage did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Strength and size are not synonymous. If Mauricio is close to his old self, then Coleman will look worse than Rampage did.
    What's your take on his knee issues? It seems like when a fighter has a lot of surgeries and problems with a knee that they never fully get that spring and explosiveness back. I think of Tito. Do you agree with this?

    JZ is in the same boat.
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    I personally think he is washed up like Shamrock, Tito, and Chuck Liddell. He used to be one of the greats though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post
    I personally think he is washed up like Shamrock, Tito, and Chuck Liddell. He used to be one of the greats though!
    Why would you think he's washed up? Shamrock, come on. Some of the posts around here are just embarrassing. Shogun had one bad fight on a bum knee against an under-rated (at the time) Forrest. It was a pretty even too until Shogun's gas ran out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jas123 View Post
    What's your take on his knee issues? It seems like when a fighter has a lot of surgeries and problems with a knee that they never fully get that spring and explosiveness back. I think of Tito. Do you agree with this?

    JZ is in the same boat.
    Tito didn't have his knees fixed for a long time and it was his back that really debilatated him. I think he came back too quickly and didn't let it heal properly. He has an explosive, dynamic style that puts much stress on the joints. I hope he took the rehab more slowly. He is still a young fighter and I fully expect him to come back as the old Mauricio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jas123 View Post
    Why would you think he's washed up? Shamrock, come on. Some of the posts around here are just embarrassing. Shogun had one bad fight on a bum knee against an under-rated (at the time) Forrest. It was a pretty even too until Shogun's gas ran out.
    Coleman used to be great. He hasn't fought since 2006 when he lost to Fedor. Now he is going to fight one of the top heavyweights and I don't think he has a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post
    Coleman used to be great. He hasn't fought since 2006 when he lost to Fedor. Now he is going to fight one of the top heavyweights and I don't think he has a chance.
    Mauricio is a LHW, not a HW; their first "fight" was at HW, but this will be at LHW.
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    He's beaten Shogun before (I don't care if Shogun just landed badly on his arm that time. That was a TKO clearly the result of a Takedown,) and he lost only by submissions to one of the finest grapplers in the world (Fedor.) In recent times only Cro Cop was able to knock him out.

    This guy's also won the Pride 2000 OW Grand Prix, which is !4! fights in One night.

    I think he'll have a good chance against Shogun. I don't think Shogun's striking ability is anywhere near Cro Cop's (in his prime when he fought Coleman..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by flobot View Post
    He's beaten Shogun before (I don't care if Shogun just landed badly on his arm that time. That was a TKO clearly the result of a Takedown,) and he lost only by submissions to one of the finest grapplers in the world (Fedor.) In recent times only Cro Cop was able to knock him out.

    This guy's also won the Pride 2000 OW Grand Prix, which is !4! fights in One night.

    I think he'll have a good chance against Shogun. I don't think Shogun's striking ability is anywhere near Cro Cop's (in his prime when he fought Coleman..)
    It was 3 fights in 1 night; the first round was several months before the final. MMA is vastly different now from where it was at in 2000 plus, he has the easiest road to the GP title that year (Shoji is a fat LHW, Fujita threw in the towel at the beginning of their fight and Igor was gassed by the title the finals began). Shogun was able to withstand the ground attack of Arona and Minotoro, who are much more accomplished grapplers than Coleman.

    This fight really depends on the health/status of Mauricio. If he's right, then it will not end well for Coleman.
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    Any olympic wrestler (he placed 7th in 92) and former NCAA champ is a very accomplished grappler. He has the best double leg in the history of the sport. He certainly doesnt have a submission offense, but his defense is good. He's only been subbed by Nog and Fedor. We all know the Takada fight was a work. I agree that a healthy Shogun should smash him, but you cant count Coleman out, especially in a cage. He showed a lot of heart during the Fedor massacre, and is far from a shot fighter like Shamrock. The man pioneered GnP and IMO deserves mad respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robdog View Post
    Any olympic wrestler (he placed 7th in 92) and former NCAA champ is a very accomplished grappler. He has the best double leg in the history of the sport. He certainly doesnt have a submission offense, but his defense is good. He's only been subbed by Nog and Fedor. We all know the Takada fight was a work. I agree that a healthy Shogun should smash him, but you cant count Coleman out, especially in a cage. He showed a lot of heart during the Fedor massacre, and is far from a shot fighter like Shamrock. The man pioneered GnP and IMO deserves mad respect.
    I agree. Like I said a few months back, I place Coleman amongst the most influential fighters in MMA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Strength and size are not synonymous. If Mauricio is close to his old self, then Coleman will look worse than Rampage did.
    True, but Coleman has one of the best mix of the two. I'd say Cheick Congo like if I'd reference to anyone these days (except his height).

    But the takedowns he used to pull on the guys he used to force it to... Well, someone just half strong just could not pull those. He's taken down some huge dudes and he has done that over and over and over, many fights, many times on each ones of those.

    With all that said, I'd still side with Shogun if he's fully healthy. I give Griffin credit for the win but it was still on a time where he just wasn't himself and for an error, because that fight belong to him, if it was up to the judges I think Shogun would've won. But no excuses on MMA so I'll just say that I think Shogun will be the one comming out victorious on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    True, but Coleman has one of the best mix of the two. I'd say Cheick Congo like if I'd reference to anyone these days (except his height).

    But the takedowns he used to pull on the guys he used to force it to... Well, someone just half strong just could not pull those. He's taken down some huge dudes and he has done that over and over and over, many fights, many times on each ones of those.

    With all that said, I'd still side with Shogun if he's fully healthy. I give Griffin credit for the win but it was still on a time where he just wasn't himself and for an error, because that fight belong to him, if it was up to the judges I think Shogun would've won. But no excuses on MMA so I'll just say that I think Shogun will be the one comming out victorious on this one.
    Not no nitpick, but his strength was/is much different than that of Kongo. Coleman was much more powerful. I would compare it to someone like Carwin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post
    Coleman used to be great. He hasn't fought since 2006 when he lost to Fedor. Now he is going to fight one of the top heavyweights and I don't think he has a chance.
    We were talking about Shogun so I thought your post was referring to him. Yeah, Coleman's probably done. I don't think he'll have a good shot (ie double leg) at all in this fight. He's had recent injuries, and he won't be free to use whatever chemicals he wants now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robdog View Post
    Not no nitpick, but his strength was/is much different than that of Kongo. Coleman was much more powerful. I would compare it to someone like Carwin.
    True, but Kongo has a very good deal of strength for his size / weight, which is why I thought it was a somewhat good comparisson. If you look at Coleman right now you'd probably not believe he's a LHW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    True, but Kongo has a very good deal of strength for his size / weight, which is why I thought it was a somewhat good comparisson. If you look at Coleman right now you'd probably not believe he's a LHW.
    Havent seen any recent pics of him and hes never fought at lhw before. God knows what he will look like come fight time.
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    Just check out UFC.com and there's a video about his trainning camp. Of course, that won't show his strength, only his body, but knowing him I'd say he's looking on a really good track to this fight.
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    I am honestly much more excited to see Shogun.
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    at this point in their respective careers, Coleman will have to wrestle, gnp and lnp to securer a win. He will also need to be very careful as if he gets careless Shogun will sub him. I dont see it going further than a minute or 2 into rd 2 with a shogun sub victory.

    Now, Hendo v. Franklin I am totally torn about. However, at the end of the day I will say Hendo by UD, as I think his wrestling and grinding style will wear Franklin down.

    O am also interested to see Kang in the cage. A little fresh blood at 185 is a good thing, as Bisping is not the answer to Anderson (hell, neither is Kang)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jas123 View Post
    We were talking about Shogun so I thought your post was referring to him. Yeah, Coleman's probably done. I don't think he'll have a good shot (ie double leg) at all in this fight. He's had recent injuries, and he won't be free to use whatever chemicals he wants now.
    Referring to your last sentence, the same goes for Shogun.
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    Odds right now I think are something like -300 shogun, +250 coleman. I don't think it should be that far..
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    Coleman did better than I thought, but he was gassed by the end of round 1.
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    I was not impressed by Shogun, but he fights Liddell in May or April now I believe UFC 97

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    Mark Coleman looked horrible. He just looked decent because Shogun looked almost as bad as him.

    What a horrible fight. Both gased in the end of the 1st round without much reason for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Mark Coleman looked horrible. He just looked decent because Shogun looked almost as bad as him.

    What a horrible fight. Both gased in the end of the 1st round without much reason for that.
    I was not happy with many of the fights except for the Davis/Lytle fight. The others were a little boring compared to UFC 92.

    I can't wait for BJ/GSP. That will be a fight for the ages.
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    I don't think April is enough time for Shogun. He looked horrible, he cannot stand and take shots like that against a 205er not named Coleman. There were some flashes of his old self, we'll just have to wait and see.

    I hope Coleman retires.
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    The 44 year old dude put up a Good Fight. Props to him. A true legend and Still has one of the better bodies in MMA (If you look at it from a bodybuilding POV.)
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    I think shogun is terrible and would love to see chuck K.o. him
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    I can imagine GSP taking down BJ continously like the first fight. If he stands against BJ there's a chance he'll be KO'ed. BJ might be a BJJ wiz but his punches pack a wallop too. There's no passing the guard etc. from GSP either because he won't be able to pass BJ's guard. His best hope is GnP or a lucky kick/knee/superman punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flobot View Post
    There's no passing the guard etc. from GSP either because he won't be able to pass BJ's guard. His best hope is GnP or a lucky kick/knee/superman punch.
    You think so?
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    Yep, no doubt in my mind. And the only reason BJ's takedown defense is no good in the first place is because he knows he can function well in the ground whether top or bottom. If their last fight was a 'Royce Gracie' type of fight w/ no time limits. BJ would've smashed GSP's face to oblivion even more.

    GSP's brainy though so if he doesn't get caught w/ anything I give him another victory by decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flobot View Post
    Yep, no doubt in my mind. And the only reason BJ's takedown defense is no good in the first place is because he knows he can function well in the ground whether top or bottom. If their last fight was a 'Royce Gracie' type of fight w/ no time limits. BJ would've smashed GSP's face to oblivion even more.

    GSP's brainy though so if he doesn't get caught w/ anything I give him another victory by decision.
    BJ's td defense is no good? BJ has incredible TD defense (see his one legged sprawl in Hughes #2). And if there were no time limits BJ would have gassed and been owned. His cardio is no good, not his td defense.
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    I agree in the past that BJ's tank dies quick, I just wonder how it is now. He is a much more motviated fighter. Just look at the sherk fight. He was still going strong when he finished it.

    I do think GSP will out work him though. My feeling is, that either BJ catches him early , or GSP works a ud after outworking him late
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    I personally think this is BJ's fight. He has a much more determined mindset and tons of motivation from pute hatred. I think BJ is more motivated by dislike than any other UFC fighter. He has proven in his last few fights that he has his cardio on point and I think he can go the distance if needed this time. That being said, GSP is one of the best as well and I am excited to see a bloody fight. Especially since the last UFC was boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    I agree in the past that BJ's tank dies quick, I just wonder how it is now. He is a much more motviated fighter. Just look at the sherk fight. He was still going strong when he finished it.

    I do think GSP will out work him though. My feeling is, that either BJ catches him early , or GSP works a ud after outworking him late
    To BJ's credit, the Sherk fight was basically a boxing match. BJ has one of the best jabs in MMA, and he used it very well in that fight. However, that type of fight is not nearly as grueling as one that has many transitions from striking to grappling. I think GSP can keep a very high pace that Penn wont be able to maintain.
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