Who's excited about Mark Coleman's Return??

[flobot]

I AM!

And as a MMA forum in a bodybuilding website, you guys should too!

That guy's a Monster! hehehehe.

[Rodja]

I wonder what he will look like at 205.

[flobot]

I've always thought that he has the best body in MMA. Ken Shamrock in his prime would also be a runner up.

It's the damn cardio that kills these big guys though..

[Rodja]

There are bigger fighters with better cardio, it's just that his physique is too inplated for his frame.

[bla55]

He's a phisical freak, it's unbelieveable. How someone gets to that phisique and still trains hard for MMA, is just something I can't grasp!

But I think it'll be a fun fight. We'll see probably the strongest 205 ever, wouldn't you guys say? Shogun will have his hands full. We'll see if he hasn't lost a step though, hope not.

[Rodja]

He's a phisical freak, it's unbelieveable. How someone gets to that phisique and still trains hard for MMA, is just something I can't grasp!

But I think it'll be a fun fight. We'll see probably the strongest 205 ever, wouldn't you guys say? Shogun will have his hands full. We'll see if he hasn't lost a step though, hope not.

Strength and size are not synonymous. If Mauricio is close to his old self, then Coleman will look worse than Rampage did.

[jas123]

Strength and size are not synonymous. If Mauricio is close to his old self, then Coleman will look worse than Rampage did.

What's your take on his knee issues? It seems like when a fighter has a lot of surgeries and problems with a knee that they never fully get that spring and explosiveness back. I think of Tito. Do you agree with this?

JZ is in the same boat.

[Silver3CSRT8]

I personally think he is washed up like Shamrock, Tito, and Chuck Liddell. He used to be one of the greats though!

[jas123]

I personally think he is washed up like Shamrock, Tito, and Chuck Liddell. He used to be one of the greats though!

Why would you think he's washed up? Shamrock, come on. Some of the posts around here are just embarrassing. Shogun had one bad fight on a bum knee against an under-rated (at the time) Forrest. It was a pretty even too until Shogun's gas ran out.

[Rodja]

What's your take on his knee issues? It seems like when a fighter has a lot of surgeries and problems with a knee that they never fully get that spring and explosiveness back. I think of Tito. Do you agree with this?

JZ is in the same boat.

Tito didn't have his knees fixed for a long time and it was his back that really debilatated him. I think he came back too quickly and didn't let it heal properly. He has an explosive, dynamic style that puts much stress on the joints. I hope he took the rehab more slowly. He is still a young fighter and I fully expect him to come back as the old Mauricio.

[Silver3CSRT8]

Why would you think he's washed up? Shamrock, come on. Some of the posts around here are just embarrassing. Shogun had one bad fight on a bum knee against an under-rated (at the time) Forrest. It was a pretty even too until Shogun's gas ran out.

Coleman used to be great. He hasn't fought since 2006 when he lost to Fedor. Now he is going to fight one of the top heavyweights and I don't think he has a chance.

[Rodja]

Coleman used to be great. He hasn't fought since 2006 when he lost to Fedor. Now he is going to fight one of the top heavyweights and I don't think he has a chance.

Mauricio is a LHW, not a HW; their first "fight" was at HW, but this will be at LHW.

[flobot]

He's beaten Shogun before (I don't care if Shogun just landed badly on his arm that time. That was a TKO clearly the result of a Takedown,) and he lost only by submissions to one of the finest grapplers in the world (Fedor.) In recent times only Cro Cop was able to knock him out.

This guy's also won the Pride 2000 OW Grand Prix, which is !4! fights in One night.

I think he'll have a good chance against Shogun. I don't think Shogun's striking ability is anywhere near Cro Cop's (in his prime when he fought Coleman..)

[Rodja]

He's beaten Shogun before (I don't care if Shogun just landed badly on his arm that time. That was a TKO clearly the result of a Takedown,) and he lost only by submissions to one of the finest grapplers in the world (Fedor.) In recent times only Cro Cop was able to knock him out.

This guy's also won the Pride 2000 OW Grand Prix, which is !4! fights in One night.

I think he'll have a good chance against Shogun. I don't think Shogun's striking ability is anywhere near Cro Cop's (in his prime when he fought Coleman..)

It was 3 fights in 1 night; the first round was several months before the final. MMA is vastly different now from where it was at in 2000 plus, he has the easiest road to the GP title that year (Shoji is a fat LHW, Fujita threw in the towel at the beginning of their fight and Igor was gassed by the title the finals began). Shogun was able to withstand the ground attack of Arona and Minotoro, who are much more accomplished grapplers than Coleman.

This fight really depends on the health/status of Mauricio. If he's right, then it will not end well for Coleman.

[robdog]

Any olympic wrestler (he placed 7th in 92) and former NCAA champ is a very accomplished grappler. He has the best double leg in the history of the sport. He certainly doesnt have a submission offense, but his defense is good. He's only been subbed by Nog and Fedor. We all know the Takada fight was a work. I agree that a healthy Shogun should smash him, but you cant count Coleman out, especially in a cage. He showed a lot of heart during the Fedor massacre, and is far from a shot fighter like Shamrock. The man pioneered GnP and IMO deserves mad respect.

[Rodja]

Any olympic wrestler (he placed 7th in 92) and former NCAA champ is a very accomplished grappler. He has the best double leg in the history of the sport. He certainly doesnt have a submission offense, but his defense is good. He's only been subbed by Nog and Fedor. We all know the Takada fight was a work. I agree that a healthy Shogun should smash him, but you cant count Coleman out, especially in a cage. He showed a lot of heart during the Fedor massacre, and is far from a shot fighter like Shamrock. The man pioneered GnP and IMO deserves mad respect.

I agree. Like I said a few months back, I place Coleman amongst the most influential fighters in MMA.

[bla55]

Strength and size are not synonymous. If Mauricio is close to his old self, then Coleman will look worse than Rampage did.

True, but Coleman has one of the best mix of the two. I'd say Cheick Congo like if I'd reference to anyone these days (except his height).

But the takedowns he used to pull on the guys he used to force it to... Well, someone just half strong just could not pull those. He's taken down some huge dudes and he has done that over and over and over, many fights, many times on each ones of those.

With all that said, I'd still side with Shogun if he's fully healthy. I give Griffin credit for the win but it was still on a time where he just wasn't himself and for an error, because that fight belong to him, if it was up to the judges I think Shogun would've won. But no excuses on MMA so I'll just say that I think Shogun will be the one comming out victorious on this one.

[robdog]

True, but Coleman has one of the best mix of the two. I'd say Cheick Congo like if I'd reference to anyone these days (except his height).

But the takedowns he used to pull on the guys he used to force it to... Well, someone just half strong just could not pull those. He's taken down some huge dudes and he has done that over and over and over, many fights, many times on each ones of those.

With all that said, I'd still side with Shogun if he's fully healthy. I give Griffin credit for the win but it was still on a time where he just wasn't himself and for an error, because that fight belong to him, if it was up to the judges I think Shogun would've won. But no excuses on MMA so I'll just say that I think Shogun will be the one comming out victorious on this one.

Not no nitpick, but his strength was/is much different than that of Kongo. Coleman was much more powerful. I would compare it to someone like Carwin.

[jas123]

Coleman used to be great. He hasn't fought since 2006 when he lost to Fedor. Now he is going to fight one of the top heavyweights and I don't think he has a chance.

We were talking about Shogun so I thought your post was referring to him. Yeah, Coleman's probably done. I don't think he'll have a good shot (ie double leg) at all in this fight. He's had recent injuries, and he won't be free to use whatever chemicals he wants now.

[bla55]

Not no nitpick, but his strength was/is much different than that of Kongo. Coleman was much more powerful. I would compare it to someone like Carwin.

True, but Kongo has a very good deal of strength for his size / weight, which is why I thought it was a somewhat good comparisson. If you look at Coleman right now you'd probably not believe he's a LHW.