for some reason i cant watch vids on youtube unless its hosted somewhere else.. this was the vid i found on yesterdays press conference.
YouTube - BJ Penn press conference November 21, 2008
YouTube - BJ Penn press conference November 21, 2008
jan 31 2009When is it? The 13th?
Neither can I. One thing that is building anticipation for me is the mutual respect these two have for each other. The fight is so big they don't even need to trash-talk.I am so excited for this fight, and cannot decide who I think will win. Both are better than they were when they first met
BJ has already started talking trash and has played the steroid card again. This is why I will enjoy watching him lose. Hes a great fighter, but GSP has advanced far more than Penn since their last bout.Neither can I. One thing that is building anticipation for me is the mutual respect these two have for each other. The fight is so big they don't even need to trash-talk.
Agreed,if gsp comes into this fight hungry and focused the only way penn can beat him is catch him with a lucky punch.i predict gsp giving an asswhoopin!BJ has already started talking trash and has played the steroid card again. This is why I will enjoy watching him lose. Hes a great fighter, but GSP has advanced far more than Penn since their last bout.
BJ is my boy, but I think GSP has advanced further along. I hope BJ wins, but I'm guessing GSP. However, I wouldn't go as far as "asswhoopin."Agreed,if gsp comes into this fight hungry and focused the only way penn can beat him is catch him with a lucky punch.i predict gsp giving an asswhoopin!
I'm hoping your right, but......I'm Canadian but I can't see GSP winning over someone like BJ Penn.
If Penn's mental and physical conditioning is done right, that guy's invincible.
BJ is my boy, but I think GSP has advanced further along. I hope BJ wins, but I'm guessing GSP. However, I wouldn't go as far as "asswhoopin."
You know they have fought before, right?With BJ's power, GSP is going to be stunned by any bomb that connects. And we all know what happens when GSP gets stunned...
Im sure GSP will be favored, but prob not by a whole lot. -150 or so I would assume.good points by both of you (ninja/flobot) i wonder what the betting odds will be/favorite on the day
I'll try to leave out my bias against BJ, but the majority of the damage that BJ did to GSP was b/c hi clipped the tip of GSP's nose and also either scratched, poked, or cut him right around his eye (could have been a perfectly legal strike I don't know). GSP controlled round 2&3 without either guy really taking a lot of damage. BJ was tooling GSP in round 1 though, even I can't deny that.You know they have fought before, right?
Seriously though, BJ had GSP damaged in their first fight but never really stunned. I do not foresee that outcome. In terms of "we all know what happens when GSP gets stunned", I am not so sure. The Serra incident was unfortunate but, going back all the way to his TKO/UCC days, St.Pierre has never had a weak chin. There is really no evidence to suggest that other than that one fight, so, the BJ KO is not really a point of interest for me.
I'll try to leave out my bias against BJ, but the majority of the damage that BJ did to GSP was b/c hi clipped the tip of GSP's nose and also either scratched, poked, or cut him right around his eye (could have been a perfectly legal strike I don't know). GSP controlled round 2&3 without either guy really taking a lot of damage. BJ was tooling GSP in round 1 though, even I can't deny that.
I'm really looking forward to this one.....but first UFC 92 is gonna be awesome!!
Possibly, but I have heard more about Penn's potential than I ever have about his actual ability; and people have putting forward this same argument about BJ for years.The way BJ dominated the first round in their first fight is why I choose BJ over GSP. BJ's not gonna be making the same mistake of slacking off/gassing after the first round. If he trains to his peak in this bout, I'm sure he'll win.
IMHO, GSP is constantly great. He is always improving in tiny increments every fight and has the heart of a champion. If it was a line graph, I'd put BJ's line underneath him. However, I truly believe that BJ has so much more potential than GSP at both their peaks. (Ie. GSPs line would be a gradual hill while BJ can suddenly peak Above and Beyond GSP; as I said with the right training and mindset.)
BJ may have been blessed with greater flexibility and an amazing ability to pick up BJJ, but GSP certainly has amazing natural ability as well. The way that he has improved his wrestling at such a pace and the fact that he has arguably the best MMA wrestling in the game is just as impressive as the rate at which Penn earned his blackbelt, (if not more impressive), IMO. Add to that the fact that his strength at WW is just as amazing as BJ's flexibility. But I do agree with you on all other accounts, his work ethic is certainly superior to BJ's.Possibly, but I have heard more about Penn's potential than I ever have about his actual ability; and people have putting forward this same argument about BJ for years.
It similar to having two students in this same class: One an incredibly hard worker (GSP) and one an incredibly blessed natural genius (BJ). The natural genius may never appear in lecture, never read his course material, and never seek assistance, yet consistently get an 85 with ease. The hard worker, however, must strive for each of his grades, consistently push and devote himself to his craft, and as a result will consistently get a 90. Now, if the natural genius applied himself, he would easily best the hard worker based solely on his intellect - however, that is a massive if.
BJ has always been a natural fighter, inherently skilled at MMA; however, that has also been one of his largest detriments. He has always had the mindset, "Why train for that extra 5% when I am 85% with absolutely no effort?" I think GSP is that much faster, that much stronger and that much more dedicated that he will overcome BJ's inherently greater skill set. I simply do not believe BJ Penn will ever have the constitution to dedicate himself enough to be consistently better than GSP - the fight will be razor close, but BJ will not win.
I agree about GSP's strength but, I was alluding more to BJ's natural skill and strategic fighting ability in all aspects. GSP is a far superior athlete in every way shape and form, but BJ is simply a natural fighter; love him or hate him, there is no denying that. I still do not think that is enough to overcome GSP, but, I was more or less replying to Flobot's potential comments.BJ may have been blessed with greater flexibility and an amazing ability to pick up BJJ, but GSP certainly has amazing natural ability as well. The way that he has improved his wrestling at such a pace and the fact that he has arguably the best MMA wrestling in the game is just as impressive as the rate at which Penn earned his blackbelt, (if not more impressive), IMO. Add to that the fact that his strength at WW is just as amazing as BJ's flexibility. But I do agree with you on all other accounts, his work ethic is certainly superior to BJ's.
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