- 11-10-2008, 10:48 PM
This is just a personal log so I don't forget what I learned (or supposed to have learned) during a BJJ class.
Just started rolling again tonight.
Lessons: (BJJ fundamentals tonight.)
-Review of basic cross choke while opponent is in my guard.
-Situation: Opponent has double underhook on you and you only have half-guard.
What I learned: Scoot out, push opposite leg and place left leg (If I have his right leg in half-guard,)in butterfly; sit up and put right leg in.
-Drilled being in half-guard. (Pass or Sweep.)
No sparring tonight because it's 'fundamentals' night.
Bought a Reevo gi because it was the cheapest.
Next time is Saturday. Must stretch longer. Almost cramped up several times; ****ing energy drink.
Monster energy drink (1 hr. before on an almost empty stomach) - I never learn....
6.6g BCAA, 3.5g glutamine after.
- 11-11-2008, 11:49 PM
Went again tonight, couldn't wait till Saturday...
Wish I didn't..entered an intermiediate class w/ black belt teaching.
Arm triangle from sidemount
Arm triangle from sprawl (roll)
Arm triangle sit-down
Arm triangle from sidemount variation using gi to choke
Arm triangle variation like above if no-gi
Rolled against 3 guys. My cardio for BJJ is seriouly ****ed up. I forgot how tiring it was compared to MT or boxing. Wayyyyyyyy ****ing different kind of tired. Like a hard shift in hockey...
Must improve cardio...Cut down on SMOKING CIGS nd POT.
Pre-3.3g BCAA, 3.5g glutamine
Post-3.3g BCAA, 3.5g glutamine
- 11-11-2008, 11:53 PM
11-12-2008, 01:09 AM
11-12-2008, 04:49 PM
I did enough before to barely reach blue belt then quit. Now I'm back and despite some of my skills being there my cardio is TERRIBLE.
@Elscotto: Yeah! I heard that's how he got so 'creative' w/ his Twister hehehehe The problem is weed is easy to quit, smoking's not.
BTW, I do not dare wear a blue belt just coming back into BJJ. Even a 4 striped white belt tires me out. ****kkkkkkkkkkk my cardio.
Do you guys know how to increase Cardio specifically for BJJ? I have awesome cardio when I"m just playing striking but it's literally CRAP when I roll.
11-12-2008, 05:42 PM
For me, the only type of cardio that helps me out in BJJ is HIIT like cardio. If you think about it, it makes sense. BJJ is very passive then explosive then passive again. I have also had a lot of success with circuit weight training to help out in BJJ cardio.
I reached blue this summer, but I got injured and have been injured. So, now I go like once a week because I'm trying to nurse my injury. Even when I go, I roll light with most of the younger more inexperienced dudes.
If you wanted to go supplement route, you could try out Cordygen 5 or Cordygen VO2 by MST. I liked those.
11-12-2008, 06:03 PM
Thanks for the tips! Does NO pills do anything for BJJ cardio?
11-12-2008, 06:24 PM
I don't know. I've never tried it. You might ask Rodja, he seems to be well versed on supplements and MMA.
11-12-2008, 06:41 PM
Mat time is the only way to increase your grappling cardio. That and learning how to relax and pace your breathing.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
11-12-2008, 07:40 PM
Mat time..Yeah..I wanted to go tonight but I don't think my body can take 3 nights in a row..The will is there but I'm just sore all over. Planning to rest and heal up a little and go back Saturday. My right rotator cuff is starting to get ****ed up.
It's funny too how I look beat up w/ burns all over my face from over eager sparring opponents. This is what I hate most about gi-grappling..But I Do want to learn BJJ for self-defense in the streets too so I gotta just toughen up.
BTW, does anybody know how Lloyd Irvin got his Black Belt in BJJ in 3 1/2 years? That's insane. Is he That talented or Tricky?
11-12-2008, 08:12 PM
Who knows, look him up on youtube see how he does in competition.
I can't stand crasy intense partners. Most of them tend to be the wrestlers who are just cracked out all the time. They are more about winning each roll than about really perfecting technique.
11-12-2008, 08:22 PM
When I get my cardio back I'm gonna crush that white belt punk. Kinda sucks the feeling to not submit a white belt (though he was very near promotion.)
To give you more details: We started rolling and he lay on his ass and wanted me to enter his guard; I thought why the heck not, my guard pass is rusty so I did. I think that guy tried every submission in the book, scratching and burning my neck and face and arms in the process but my cardio was still up so I was fine (But I was starting to tire,) He went for a triangle. I stacked him, went to the side in a C to break it and went in his half-guard. At this point I was tired already and he got me back in guard. He did an awesome sweep that made me end up in a half-guard. I went for a knee bar but had no breath/strength left to finish it.
At that point I was practically DONE. I was trying to suck in enough air and thinking to myself "This ****ing sucks..I Know how to beat this guy but I don't have anything left.." So much for my high VO2 max number...It didn't help w/ grappling at all not like it does doing MT or boxing or any striking for that matter.
SO my ultimate goal for now is to build up mat time and hence BJJ-specific cardio. I've learned that to win in a striking match all I had to do was to outlast my opponent. Now I've to re-learn how to outlast people in a BJJ setting.
11-12-2008, 10:47 PM
You went for a knee bar on a white belt?
11-13-2008, 02:39 PM
Wanted to teach the punk a lesson but I had no cardio hence strength left to pull hard enough.
Watched a video from Ryan Hall last night explaining a triangle variation he calls a shin smash.
Posting it here so I don't forget.
-Threaten cross-choke by placing hand deep into collar
-Grab behind elbow on same side. (Eg. When your right hand is on the right side of his neck deep, grab his right arm behind the elbow/tricep.)
-Open guard, place right shin over his left arm to disrupt balance.
-Swivel right leg from the knee above his neck and pull your ankle down. Lock the triangle w/ your left leg.
-Pull head down.
The most impt. part of this is the shin smash into his left arm to disrupt balance and make it easy for you to swing your right leg over his neck.
11-15-2008, 05:47 PM
Went today, no new techniques taught. The sensei who's also a black belt instructor in FMA from Paul Vunak, taught some knife patterns (left, right, and both hands.)
Rolled w/ a white belt, then a blue belt, then a purple belt after that.
Starting to learn how to control my breathing during grappling and move explosively instead of being constantly moving w/ full strength.
I love rolling w/ blue and purple belts since it's like more of a learning process utilizing pure technique. Rolling w/ white belts is like a strength match-but it's good for cardio practice since I'm learning to pace myself again and tire out the opponent.
200mg caffeine before and 3.3g BCAA, 3.5g glutamine after. (With a meal.)
11-15-2008, 06:19 PM
I only try to roll with upper belts. Any time I get a shot at the black belt I'm happy.
11-15-2008, 06:38 PM
im with u on that one dude, remember ur only as good as who u wrastle hahahahahha but its fun to try new stuff on noobs. and another thing for flobot its rather anoying when u first start bjj and ur really sore all the time but u want to keep going and going, but it takes time for ur body to get used to so eat as much good food as possible and just pace urself until ur body is ready for constant training all week
11-15-2008, 07:23 PM
11-17-2008, 10:06 PM
Tonight was fundamentals night again.
Pre: Energy drink (small,) 3.3g BCAAs
-Knee on Belly gi/no-gi baseball grip choke
-Knee on Belly to North-South baseball grip choke
-Sweep from half-butterfly. Underhook/Overhook. Remember to create space w/ hips and control other arm too. Roll on space created by hips.
-Sweep from full butterfly. Remember to put his weight right on top of you so he becomes 'light.'
Sparred only once today w/ a 3 stripe white belt. Got swept once (remember to resist when necessary.), escaped mount, passed open guard, got side mount. Very good sparring today because I was totally relaxed and thinking while I can hear him panting. My only mistake was to not resist enough for a sweep. Remember to have a good balance between pacing and resistance.
Post: 3.3g BCAAs, 3g glutamine, DINNER.
11-22-2008, 05:26 PM
De La Riva guard & variations, including sweeps. De La Riva guard is a modified half-butterfly/open guard w/ your hand grabbing his ankle on the same side you have a hook on. Many offensive options esp. when opponent starts trying to pass or pull out.
Rolled w/ a blue belt twice. Lost one (choke) and won one (points...)
Really getting it again now. It's all starting to come back. Whatever I learned before I keep remembering whenever I roll w/ higher belts.
Supps: Before: Heavy fast-food chinese take out + monster energy drink.
After: 3.3g BCAA and 3.5g glutamine.
Damage: More mat burn on the feet gr.
11-22-2008, 06:20 PM
Half-butterfly guard is the most useless position. Anyone with a decent wrestling base will have in side-mount within seconds.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
11-22-2008, 07:11 PM
11-22-2008, 07:36 PM
Ive never really understood the reasoning of learning gi bjj for applicable purposes. The same goes for gi judo. Unless one just wants to learn for sheer recreation, no gi is a much more viable option. When are you going to have your gi on in a real confrontation? Its a lot harder to lock up a sub/throw when someone is sweaty and you dont have your gi for grip. Plus those ****ing things give me burns on my head.
11-22-2008, 08:47 PM
Gi training's good to simulate a person's jacket for example. Or his hoodie. Or his jeans.
No gi training is good for summer time self-defense when everybody's wearing t-shirts. What about the other times?
People don't go strolling around in their boardshorts and rash guards all year long hehehe.
I'm w/ you on the burning though but this cheap gi (Reevo) I bought is actually decent. Don't have too many burns on my neck.
But that might be because I try to avoid rolling w/ other white belts who think every rolling session is life or death for their egos and scratch and burn you to kingdom come lol.
BTW robdog, I haven't had to use BJJ in real-life self-defense. I just pull out a knife and hope the other guy(s) don't have a gun lol (And I'm blessed so far not to have a gun pulled over my knife... So all I said above is just conjecture. Though I still don't think grappling w/ just boardshorts and rashguard on is realistic either.
11-22-2008, 11:53 PM
It's best to learn the fundamentals with the Gi first, before going to NoGi. You'll be better than any dude with the same amount of time in with No Gi. It's how it was meant to be taught, so why not?
Fundamentals are fundamentals, and most of them apply to both excluding lapel chokes and grips, but the control/framing is the same regardless of the grip.
I think the only documented case of a smoker having any cardio worth a damn is Kazushi Sakuraba.
11-22-2008, 11:59 PM
I have never rolled with a gi on. I am never comfortable in them and much prefer to grapple with just fight shorts and a rashguard/wife-beater.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
11-23-2008, 12:31 AM
11-23-2008, 12:35 AM
11-23-2008, 11:09 AM
11-23-2008, 11:38 AM
11-23-2008, 11:53 AM
Awesome. I came from the Philippines you know so I ABHOR cold weather lol.
Edit: I guess in that case no-gi is sensible training as long as you keep a shirt/ rashguard on. I'm actually in the camp that MMA training is good for self-defense over any other art. I say this cuz I've come across a lot of people claiming that things like Krav Maga will keep you alive more. If you can be an instructor in a month or so in an art ala Krav Maga, I don't wanna learn it because mastery at so short a time is BS.
11-23-2008, 12:22 PM
very interesting thread flobot.subbed!
11-24-2008, 09:58 PM
Tonight was no-gi for some reason.
-Triangle from the guard from a failed "bump" sweep.
Bump Sweep-Used when opponent postures up with none of his hands on your chest. You open guard, sit up and twist to one side (Eg. right side) and bump your hips into him while your right hand is posted behind you. The opponent has to post out with his left arm to keep his balance. You grab that posting hand w/ both yours and complete the sweep. The counter is to hug you and press you straight down back into the floor. (This is where you take the overhook.)
*Overhook right arm, place left leg high over his back/neck w/ your foot just over his left shoulder (or on his back if you're lacking flexibility,) keep right leg tight on his body w/ your foot on his left hip. Wrist control his left arm.
*BREAK HIS BALANCE (IMPT) and pull your right leg out and over his neck and lock your legs.
*Angle to the side so as you're not Square w/ him and finish the triangle by pulling on his head or you can lock any of his arms.
Just drilled this over and over tonight, first w/o then w/ resistance; with the person on top trying to pass. (And you trying to complete the triangle.)
My mistakes from the top: Not Much. Do not ever let him get his right leg out.
My mistakes from the bottom: Thinking too much of getting my right leg out when I should be breaking his posture CONSTANTLY and just waiting for the right time to triangle.
Note to self: Do Not Force the Triangle. If it doesn't work, look for something else or close your guard again to get a few secs. to think.
Pre - Big chinese "combo" meal w/ fried rice, ginger beef and honey chicken. Hahaha...+monster assault energy drink. +Six Star(Walmart) NO pills.
Post - 11.5g BCAAs, 3.5g Glutamine
11-24-2008, 10:08 PM
11-25-2008, 12:16 AM
Thanks man! I'm trying to remember Everything so it's not a waste of money hehehe.
The points I wrote were actually what I remember/think I remember ad verbatem from the instructor lol.
12-01-2008, 10:10 PM
Fundamentals night again tonight.
-Hip movement to armbar from guard (left/right)
*Break his balance with the leg on his torso to make it easier for your other leg to swing over his head.
-Knee inside guard pass. In his guard with your arms on his sleeves or his biceps, move forward and stand up (instead of just forcing to stand up..) Step back with either foot and let go of his arm on that side (He can't reach you.) Step in again w/ that leg with your knee as close as you can to yourself and into the hole in his guard.
*Lift butt up instead of forcing his guard open w/ your knee. People w/ short legs can't even keep the guard closed when you do this. It also helps create space to put your knee through. By this time if he doesn't open his closed guard it'll be open.
Follow up: Keep controlling one arm, drive knee into mat, control his head w/ other hand to distract (while driving your shoulder on his head). Shift grip from arm to leg and slip your other leg out into either a mount or a cross mount.
No sparring today. Damn.
Pre - None (forgot to take anything..)
Post - 11.5g BCAA, 3.5g glutamine, DINNER.
12-01-2008, 10:14 PM
12-01-2008, 11:30 PM
12-01-2008, 11:54 PM
12-02-2008, 06:53 PM
Exactly. There are simply positions where it seems like you Can't use your strength. Before when I first started I would try to bench press a guy side mounted on me but if the guy's good and know's how to apply his weight on you then it's simply impossible/not worth the effort.
There are a lot of other ways to gain position, break his balance/posture, get in a dominant position, etc. If you're even a month or two into BJJ and you start grappling w/ somebody who knows nothing about it or just watches UFC then you'll really feel how easy it is to play with the guy on the ground.
I'm not saying you don't need strength either. BJJ just teaches you how to maximize your use of it for the least amount of effort. To the point that even if your opponent's super strong and struggles a ton you'll simply outlast him cuz you yourself have used almost no energy while he, not really knowing any ground skills, is draining himself every second trying to use force w/o technique.