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Who are the top 5 MMA fighters who are the/have the:

Most conditioned?
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Most knockout power?
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Quickest hands?
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Best with submissions (most refined jiu-jitsu)?
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Most exciting?
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Most conditioned?
1. Alves
2. Chiek Kongo
3. GSP
4. Sean Sherk
5. Randy Couture
KO Power
1. Anderson Silva
2. Patrick Cote
3. Rampage Jackson
4. BJ Penn
5. Randy Couture
Quickest Hands
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Alves
4. BJ Penn
5. Randy Couture
Best w/ Submissions
1. Noguiera
2. BJ Penn
3. Mir
4. GSP
5. Stevenson
Most Exciting
1. Wanderlei Silva
2. Anderson Silva
3. Chuck Lidell
4. Randy Couture
5. GSP

My picks!
 
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Most conditioned?
1. Alves
2. Chiek Kongo
3. GSP
4. Sean Sherk
5. Randy Couture
KO Power
1. Anderson Silva
2. Patrick Cote
3. Rampage Jackson
4. BJ Penn
5. Randy Couture
Quickest Hands
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Alves
4. BJ Penn
5. Randy Couture
Best w/ Submissions
1. Noguiera
2. BJ Penn
3. Mir
4. GSP
5. Stevenson
Most Exciting
1. Wanderlei Silva
2. Anderson Silva
3. Chuck Lidell
4. Randy Couture
5. GSP

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FLobot, I'm guessing you're a new fan because you seem to have a limited group of people you're choosing from. Couture fastest hands? Alves and Kongo most conditioned over someone like Clay Guida who is the top guy in my opinion.

Stevenson and GSP have better subs than Maia, Palhares, Hazelett, Werdum, Gonzaga etc..... Mir doesn't even belong in the top 5, he's a low level black belt on the level of MacDonald or someone.

Couture KO power? :run:

Conditioned
Guida
Sherk
GSP
Franklin
Eddie Alvarez ?? - He's been in some crazy, intense fights

Submissions (not sure of the order)
Nog
Jacare
Maia
BJ
Hazellet (maybe a stretch but I'm a big fan)

KO power
Manhoef
Gomi
McFedries
Sokoudju
Rampage
 
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Not new but I know where you're coming from..Couture does have fast hands though. His boxing is crisp and very technical. I haven't seen anybody w/ such disciplined boxing skills in the UFC. Even Patrick Cote has a brawler's style.

You're right about Guida being most conditioned though. A lot of his fights go the distance and it seems like he doesn't tire at all from round to round. I guess by 'conditioned' first thing that came to my mind was how conditioned they looked hehe.

I have no excuse for the best grapplers cuz I'm really still sort of a noob in BJJ.

Oh one person I forgot in the KO part is 'Ruthless' Robbie Lawler though he's not in the UFC anymore..I think Sokoudju was way overhyped. Gomi is awesome though.



FLobot, I'm guessing you're a new fan because you seem to have a limited group of people you're choosing from. Couture fastest hands? Alves and Kongo most conditioned over someone like Clay Guida who is the top guy in my opinion.

Stevenson and GSP have better subs than Maia, Palhares, Hazelett, Werdum, Gonzaga etc..... Mir doesn't even belong in the top 5, he's a low level black belt on the level of MacDonald or someone.

Couture KO power? :run:

Conditioned
Guida
Sherk
GSP
Franklin
Eddie Alvarez ?? - He's been in some crazy, intense fights

Submissions (not sure of the order)
Nog
Jacare
Maia
BJ
Hazellet (maybe a stretch but I'm a big fan)

KO power
Manhoef
Gomi
McFedries
Sokoudju
Rampage
 
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There's a good chance Lawler's coming back to the UFC. He's got good power and is nasty, but I think he knocks people out more with combos than single punches. It depends on how you look at it.

Couture has always had underrated boxing for sure, but I don't think of him as a KO striker at all.

As for fastest hands, the 5 that come to mind immediately are Fedor, Paul Taylor, Anderson Silva, BJ Penn and Spencer Fischer. It's hard to compare the heavier guys with the smaller guys, though. Hell, even Sherk has ridiculous hand speed which makes up for his little T-rex arms. Faber and some of the WEC little guys are fast as hell too.
 
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Little T-Rex arms hehehe :lol:

But if you look around, you'll realize that MMA fighters usually have disproportioned arms and torsos. They usually have rock solid cores and smaller arms that only have the required muscles for punching. Legs are usually thin too. Look closely at pics of Rampage Jackson for example and you'll see.

Oh yeah I wish they'd bring Lawler back to the UFC. He's always reminded me of Lidell (ie. Exciting to watch, KO or get KO'ed lol.)
 
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Jas always has those exotic names in his list of fighters.
 
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Most conditioned?
1. Forrest
2. Wanderlei
3. GSP
4. Urijah
5. hendo

Most knockout power?
1. Fedor
2. Rampage
3. Chuck
4. Alves
5. Wanderlei

Quickest hands?
1. Alexander
2. Anderson
3. Vitor Belfort
4. GSP-hands&feet
5. Swick

Best with submissions (most refined jiu-jitsu)?
1. Big Nog
2. Penn
3. Sakuraba
4. Royce
5. kenflo

Most exciting?
1. gsp
2. rampage
3. fedor
4. shogun
5. anderson- I missed his last fight tho, I heard it sucked.

I know I'm missing people but it's hard to think of names.
 
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I forgot to mention Sokoudju, Flobot. His hype has deflated as you said, but he still has ridiculous KO power. No one else has KOed a Nog brother especially not with one punch. The uppercut he landed on Arona was nasty too. McFedries was supposed to be the heaviest handed dude ever, but that seems to be all he had. Alexander used to be a big fan of his, but offed himself after McFedries last defeat so he doesn't post here any more.

WArrior, I disagree on Hendo for conditioning. He gassed a few times in Pride as I recall and faded against Jackson. Vitor's a nice one for fastest hands. I just don't see Royce, Saku, or Kenflo even in the top 20 best subs in MMA. They all are good, but not unreal. Jacare or Maia could probably sub all 3 of them on the ground IMO (although Kenflo is much smaller).

Jas always has those exotic names in his list of fighters.
Yeah, I'm creative. Let's see if Rodja or Robdog can outdo me.

What's up with you lately, Volcom? You still watching amputee porn and Faces of Death crap? :lol: :stick:
 
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I dont even know why I post here anymore. (In no particular order because it fluctuates) Keep in mind all of these are relative to weight class.

Conditioning
Guida
Alvarez
Faber
Sherk
GSP


KO power(sheer power, not overall ability)
Lawler
Baroni
Irvin
Manhoef
Vovchanchyn

Fastest hands
Aleks
Fedor
Vitor
Baroni
Manhoef

Subs
Nog
Penn
Jacare
Maia
Aoki

Most Exciting
GSP
Penn
Fedor
Lytle
Alvarez
 
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Most conditioned?
1. Couture
2. Wand
3. Big Nog
4. Urijah
5. GSP

Most knockout power?
1. Kid
2. Andy
3. Rampage
4. CC
5. Wand

Quickest hands?
1. GSP
2. Vitor
3. Kid
4. Andy
5. Manhoef

Best with submissions (most refined jiu-jitsu)?
1. Aoki
2. Big Nog
3. Genki
4. Jacare
5. Maia

Most exciting?
1. Wand
2. Genki
3. Fedor
4. Andy
5. GSP

I assumed much of this on a P4P basis.
 
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Most conditioned?
1. Sherk
2. GSP
3. Clay
4. Forest
5. Ace

Most knockout power?
1. old CC
2. Fedor
3. Rampage
4. KiD
5. Wand

Quickest hands?
1. GSP
2. BJ
3. Cung Le
4. Andy
5.

Best with submissions (most refined jiu-jitsu)?
1. Aoki
2. Phalares
3. Genki
4. Jacare
5. Maia

Most exciting?
1. Wand
2. Kid or Aoki
3. Fedor
4. Andy
5. GSP

I assumed much of this on a P4P basis.
 
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Most conditioned?
1. Sherk
2. GSP
3. Clay
4. Forest
5. Ace

Most knockout power?
1. old CC
2. Fedor
3. Rampage
4. KiD
5. Wand

Quickest hands?
1. GSP
2. BJ
3. Cung Le
4. Andy
5.

Best with submissions (most refined jiu-jitsu)?
1. Aoki
2. Phalares
3. Genki
4. Jacare
5. Maia

Most exciting?
1. Wand
2. Kid or Aoki
3. Fedor
4. Andy
5. GSP

I assumed much of this on a P4P basis.

Aoki most exciting?:think:
 
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Most conditioned?
Most knockout power?
1. Kid
2. Andy
3. Rampage
4. CC
5. Wand
You still think CC is a top contender for KO power? I'm not complaining, I'll always be a deep enough CC fan to root for him, but I thought he was considered washed up.
 
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You still think CC is a top contender for KO power? I'm not complaining, I'll always be a deep enough CC fan to root for him, but I thought he was considered washed up.
You can't deny the reign of terror he had from 02-06. His LHK will remain legendary.
 
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WArrior, I disagree on Hendo for conditioning. He gassed a few times in Pride as I recall and faded against Jackson. Vitor's a nice one for fastest hands. I just don't see Royce, Saku, or Kenflo even in the top 20 best subs in MMA. They all are good, but not unreal. Jacare or Maia could probably sub all 3 of them on the ground IMO (although Kenflo is much smaller).
I don't know who Maia is what org does he fight in? I haven't really seen any good submission guy's coming out in a while.
 
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I don't know who Maia is what org does he fight in? I haven't really seen any good submission guy's coming out in a while.
Maia's fighting in the UFC now and just beat MacDonald at 185. He won the 77-87 kg weightclass at the 2007 ADCC tourney.

Another really good guy at 185 is Palhares who fought Henderson recently.

Hazelett should be in action Saturday against the McCrory which has been elevated to the main card after an Amir Sadollah injury (a better fight IMO). :head:
 
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He did it his own way too. There's no way you can call his LHK a MT kick. It's literally a 'modern' karate (ie. kyokushin, seidokan..) roundhouse with the majority of his instep as the main contact point. Kind of reminds me of a stronger Glaube Feitosa.

When are we gonna see him again I wonder..He should go back to K-1 IMO.
You can't deny the reign of terror he had from 02-06. His LHK will remain legendary.
 
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He did it his own way too. There's no way you can call his LHK a MT kick. It's literally a 'modern' karate (ie. kyokushin, seidokan..) roundhouse with the majority of his instep as the main contact point. Kind of reminds me of a stronger Glaube Feitosa.

When are we gonna see him again I wonder..He should go back to K-1 IMO.
Feitosa would destroy him, as would most of the elite K-1ers
 
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Alves is by far the most conditioned fighter I've ever seen in MMA hands down like 6:30. And as for hand speed, this is actually the only disapointing thing in the MMA is that no one has good hand speed or even throws a proper punch. I think MMA is very exciting and enjoy it over boxing because of the different elements but if any MMA fighter signed up for a boxing match. They'd get worked because they can't throw punches properly and have no hand speed. You want to see hand speed, watch Muhammad Ali
 
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No particular order

Most conditioned?
1. Couture
2. Sherk
3. Guida
4. Faber
5. GSP

Most knockout power?
1. Liddel
2. A Silva
3. Rampage
4. W Silva
5. Crocop

Quickest hands?
1. Belfort
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. A Silva
5. Penn?

Best with submissions (most refined jiu-jitsu)?
1. Aoki
2. Penn
3. Lytle
4. Maia
5. ?

Most exciting?
1. W Silva
2. A Silva
3. Fedor
4. Rampage
5. GSP
 
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Alves is by far the most conditioned fighter I've ever seen in MMA hands down like 6:30. And as for hand speed, this is actually the only disapointing thing in the MMA is that no one has good hand speed or even throws a proper punch. I think MMA is very exciting and enjoy it over boxing because of the different elements but if any MMA fighter signed up for a boxing match. They'd get worked because they can't throw punches properly and have no hand speed. You want to see hand speed, watch Muhammad Ali
Your name is Young Gotti, you said hands down like 6:30, and you said no one in MMA has good hand speed or throws a proper punch. Plus you're 127 lbs. Glad to have you around.
 
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Alves is by far the most conditioned fighter I've ever seen in MMA hands down like 6:30. And as for hand speed, this is actually the only disapointing thing in the MMA is that no one has good hand speed or even throws a proper punch. I think MMA is very exciting and enjoy it over boxing because of the different elements but if any MMA fighter signed up for a boxing match. They'd get worked because they can't throw punches properly and have no hand speed. You want to see hand speed, watch Muhammad Ali
I guess you have never seen Aleks or Vitor fight. Also, there is more than one way to throw a "proper" punch depending on the art.
 
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There are more ways to throw proper punches, but look at these guys when throw knockout punches, most of the time their heads are down or twisted around not even looking at where they are throwing a punch. All I'm saying is I know some old timers that won't watch MMA because they see them punch and just laugh at them because they throw uncontrolled hay makers. Chuck Lidell for instance is know for his knockouts, and both times he fought Tito Oritz he knocked Tito to the ground with a punch when he was falling backwards.

@ robdog
your name is robdog...whats the point? and what does my weight have to do with anything, I'm 5'5 what am is my weight supposed to be? and hands down like 6:30 is a simile, u know a figure of speech that u learn about in 6th grade in english class
 
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There are more ways to throw proper punches, but look at these guys when throw knockout punches, most of the time their heads are down or twisted around not even looking at where they are throwing a punch. All I'm saying is I know some old timers that won't watch MMA because they see them punch and just laugh at them because they throw uncontrolled hay makers. Chuck Lidell for instance is know for his knockouts, and both times he fought Tito Oritz he knocked Tito to the ground with a punch when he was falling backwards.

@ robdog
your name is robdog...whats the point? and what does my weight have to do with anything, I'm 5'5 what am is my weight supposed to be? and hands down like 6:30 is a simile, u know a figure of speech that u learn about in 6th grade in english class
That's the difference between a 4 oz glove and a 12 oz glove. Who gives a sh!t if some boxing purist dislikes MMA? They are amongst the most pretentious sports fans and are about as clueless as they come towards MMA. Also, nice matador of the hand speed comment.
 
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It's not that they dislike MMA. My father wrestled throughout high school and after that boxed briefly. He likes the ground game in MMA when they know what they are doing. But he hates the stand up aspect and when I make him watch it he then tells me to watch Muhammad Ali if I want to see hand speed or Jack Dempsy and "Smokin" Joe if I want to see pure power. A lot of times knockout power comes with quick hands like short/fast punches. And I just don't see that in MMA. I'd watch MMA everyday of the week if I could so I don't want to you to think I'm hating on it. I just think the MMA world has a lot of growing to do before it truly reaches it's full potential in the world of "fighting". And no I don't know who those fighters are. I recently moved on my own and don't have cable to watch it when it's on and my scummy boss doesn't get pay per view UFC or Affliction anymore so I rarely get to watch it as much as I used to.
 
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It's not that they dislike MMA. My father wrestled throughout high school and after that boxed briefly. He likes the ground game in MMA when they know what they are doing. But he hates the stand up aspect and when I make him watch it he then tells me to watch Muhammad Ali if I want to see hand speed or Jack Dempsy and "Smokin" Joe if I want to see pure power. A lot of times knockout power comes with quick hands like short/fast punches. And I just don't see that in MMA. I'd watch MMA everyday of the week if I could so I don't want to you to think I'm hating on it. I just think the MMA world has a lot of growing to do before it truly reaches it's full potential in the world of "fighting". And no I don't know who those fighters are. I recently moved on my own and don't have cable to watch it when it's on and my scummy boss doesn't get pay per view UFC or Affliction anymore so I rarely get to watch it as much as I used to.
Ever heard of youtube? You sound like a complete MMA newb trying throwing out his irrelevant opinion on the sport.
 
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The correct spelling is "noob" and it's not irrelevant. You guys just blow MMA and i'm just not overly impressed with some of the fighters or "champions" of the sport and I'm not scarred to say it even though most ppl have it so deep down their throats that they won't say nething negative about it.
 
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The correct spelling is "noob" and it's not irrelevant. You guys just blow MMA and i'm just not overly impressed with some of the fighters or "champions" of the sport and I'm not scarred to say it even though most ppl have it so deep down their throats that they won't say nething negative about it.
If you have not heard of 2 of the most prominent fighters in the sport, then it is irrelevant. There are a myriad of techniques that are useful in western boxing that leave you exposed within MMA. Try to continuously bob and weave and you will eat a kick/knee to the head.
 
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This depends. I for one know very well how to defend against a knee/kick while bobbing. Most MT fighters stand upright but I've always loved my hands better than my legs and I've learned how to box well throughout the years. I kick like a MT guy but punch like a boxer.

Most people will get caught with a knee while bobbing because their hands are placed incorrectly. If you're gonna bob against a MT fighter, you close your arms a bit tighter and any knee that comes will smash into your elbow/elbows.
Follow up w/ a left hook to the body then head. Sometimes it's easier for body shots to stop people. They're very underestimated by noobs who're all typically, headhunters. It's strange how some MT fighters can take shins to the ribcage but can't take a strong hook.

Besides, you do not bob squarely against your opponent. Only noob strikers do that. You put a slight angle every time you bob so that you're presenting an arm instead of the middle of your guard. You keep your elbows stuck to your side to protect your rib cage.

I wouldn't know how true MMA fighters will react to this however as my experience is only against other MT fighters.

If you have not heard of 2 of the most prominent fighters in the sport, then it is irrelevant. There are a myriad of techniques that are useful in western boxing that leave you exposed within MMA. Try to continuously bob and weave and you will eat a kick/knee to the head.
 
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What the fck happened to this board? It used be a bunch of well-informed members discussing MMA and joking around, but now it's Down Syndromefest 2008. I'd kill to Auggie and Norris back. At least they knew something about MMA despite their terrible personalities.
 
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This depends. I for one know very well how to defend against a knee/kick while bobbing. Most MT fighters stand upright but I've always loved my hands better than my legs and I've learned how to box well throughout the years. I kick like a MT guy but punch like a boxer.

Most people will get caught with a knee while bobbing because their hands are placed incorrectly. If you're gonna bob against a MT fighter, you close your arms a bit tighter and any knee that comes will smash into your elbow/elbows.
Follow up w/ a left hook to the body then head. Sometimes it's easier for body shots to stop people. They're very underestimated by noobs who're all typically, headhunters. It's strange how some MT fighters can take shins to the ribcage but can't take a strong hook.

Besides, you do not bob squarely against your opponent. Only noob strikers do that. You put a slight angle every time you bob so that you're presenting an arm instead of the middle of your guard. You keep your elbows stuck to your side to protect your rib cage.

I wouldn't know how true MMA fighters will react to this however as my experience is only against other MT fighters.
You're also not accounting for the difference in glove size. You can cover so much more surface area with a 12 oz glove as opposed to a 4 oz glove.
 
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Good point, that's why I said, I have no idea if it'll work against MMA fighters. But it's your elbow you use to 'block' not your glove.
 
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Good point, that's why I said, I have no idea if it'll work against MMA fighters. But it's your elbow you use to 'block' not your glove.
And leave your body exposed? F that.
 
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No no no. Put your hands up in a square boxing stance and you'll know what I mean. Your elbows are supposed to be sticking to your ribs with your hands around eye level (w/ the chin down as it should be.)

Everything around your abs are protected including your ribcage and hence your right side against liver shots. The abs are open but who really cares cuz if you're conditioned it won't hurt. Plus you're in a crouch that makes it really hard to hit your abs anyways. I like to crouch halfway between a boxer's and a MT stance. Best of both worlds. Can still kick properly yet you're protected much more and not to mention more mobile.

I used to take hits all the time to my body and at one time I felt immune but then it gets to you. I quit standing in a MT stance when I was 19. I just couldn't take it anymore. That's why I love the sweet science so much cuz it's given me a new lease on stand-up fighting.

Besides in a square stance all you have to do to parry is to twist either arm slightly (like a quick jerk,) in along w/ a very, very slight twist of the body.
 
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What the fck happened to this board? It used be a bunch of well-informed members discussing MMA and joking around, but now it's Down Syndromefest 2008. I'd kill to Auggie and Norris back. At least they knew something about MMA despite their terrible personalities.
Yup. Im afraid its beyond the point of no return.
 

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