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Old 11-18-2008, 08:45 PM   #211
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What's cool is that the refs are now encouraging take downs. Some players don't even attempt to fight a striking battle, they go for a double leg takedown lol.
That's cool? Sorry to all the wrestlers and jiu jitsu artists out there- I respect the conditioning and technicality of the training; hell, I'm participating in each. However, the fact of the matter is wrestlers and submitters will never be as exciting as knockout artists.
 


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Old 11-18-2008, 08:50 PM   #212
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That's cool? Sorry to all the wrestlers and jiu jitsu artists out there- I respect the conditioning and technicality of the training; hell, I'm participating in each. However, the fact of the matter is wrestlers and submitters will never be as exciting as knockout artists.
I agree with your statement in general. However, preference is subjective. I love my knockouts, but I think it's waaaaaaaaaaay the phuck cooler when BJ Penn RNC's his opponents, rather then punching him out. Fedor as well, I'm usually looking and hoping for a sub victory when I watch him. Your statement is probably mostly true, which would explain Chunk Lidell's popularity, but again, subjective, I'm a KO guy in general, but with certain fighters and match ups, I will hope for and prefer the excitement of a well exectuted sub.
 


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Old 11-18-2008, 08:53 PM   #213
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That's cool? Sorry to all the wrestlers and jiu jitsu artists out there- I respect the conditioning and technicality of the training; hell, I'm participating in each. However, the fact of the matter is wrestlers and submitters will never be as exciting as knockout artists.
That is awesome, because I believe he was talking about Hockey. Hence, 'players' instead of 'fighters'.
 


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Old 11-18-2008, 08:59 PM   #214
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That is awesome, because I believe he was talking about Hockey. Hence, 'players' instead of 'fighters'.
My critical reading skills have been called into question more then once.
 


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Old 11-18-2008, 09:00 PM   #215
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Damn it.


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Old 11-18-2008, 09:21 PM   #216
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I agree. I think KOs are more entertaining to the general public.

However, a KO means that you hit the guy hard enough to physically render him unable to continue. A submission means he voluntarily chose to discontinue.

That's a big difference if you think about it. If I were a fighter, I would try to use my BJJ skills to get in positions to pound a dude until he is dazed and then submit him. That would be the best of both worlds.
 
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:31 PM   #217
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Yeah sorry to sidetrack to hockey. I just find those guys tough as nails too (just like MMA fighters in fact.)

I like KO's when they're well executed. I don't like it when fighters just get lucky w/ a KO.

I like subs when they're technical too. I don't like it when people just use muscle to guillotine or whatever their opponent (which most probably does not know enough BJJ.)

The best subs are those that are executed w/ the use of proper technique and proper application of strength.
 


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People dont really have the capacity to appreciate things they dont understand, in general they shun the unknown and laud the familiar.

IF a guy was RNC'ed or had a kimura break his upper third humerous i imagine he would have a respect and appreciation for the missunderstood, under appreaciated and ever effective BJJ game.

Most people also like instant gratification, a happy ending and explosions. Hence the popularity of fireworks, knockouts, drinking and sex.

I appreciate a person with the courage and conviction to win, in any situation, to persevere, battle and come out on top.
 


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I love all KOs. Even if they are lucky. I don't believe too much in "luck" anyway.

I agree on wack subs though. It's not that exciting to see an guillotine anymore. RNC either.
 
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Yeah sorry to sidetrack to hockey. I just find those guys tough as nails too (just like MMA fighters in fact.)

I like KO's when they're well executed. I don't like it when fighters just get lucky w/ a KO.

I like subs when they're technical too. I don't like it when people just use muscle to guillotine or whatever their opponent (which most probably does not know enough BJJ.)

The best subs are those that are executed w/ the use of proper technique and proper application of strength.
A good BJJ player wont get muscled into a guillotine... or a RNC. Just rarely ever happens.

That's a choke JuJistu practitioners use on retards, brawlers, and wrestlers.

That being said - a few decent BJJ guys have gotten caught... but by and large - anyone getting caught with a guillotine should not be fighting in the UFC.
 


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Bro, any BJJ guy is in danger of getting RNC'ed if the other person has his back. All the other dude has to do is pound his head in until the BJJ guy forgets about the RNC and just wants to defend the blows to the dome.

I agree about the guillotine though, lol. That's just kind of crappy take down technique. If it happens any other time than a take down, then whoa.
 
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Bro, any BJJ guy is in danger of getting RNC'ed if the other person has his back. All the other dude has to do is pound his head in until the BJJ guy forgets about the RNC and just wants to defend the blows to the dome.

I agree about the guillotine though, lol. That's just kind of crappy take down technique. If it happens any other time than a take down, then whoa.
Its possible, but very few qualified BJJ (read... not total sh*t) will "forget" about the RNC. And even if it's put on, they wouldn't panic. There are ways of getting out of the RNC, or ensuring that it doesn't get sunk deep enough to put you out.
 


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Sometimes, or so I've read, people have given up the RNC just to stop the pounding. But once dazed.. his level of technique is compromised.
 
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A good BJJ player wont get muscled into a guillotine... or a RNC. Just rarely ever happens.

That's a choke JuJistu practitioners use on retards, brawlers, and wrestlers.

That being said - a few decent BJJ guys have gotten caught... but by and large - anyone getting caught with a guillotine should not be fighting in the UFC.
That's only on paper. Couture has been caught with a guillotine as have several BB in BJJ.
 


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