Is the Man Cave really worth it?

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  1. Is the Man Cave really worth it?


    Hey all,

    I'm considering making the pilgrimage to the Man Cave. Is it worth it? Is Dr. John really the best guy to see for TRT issues?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by solguy View Post
    Hey all,

    I'm considering making the pilgrimage to the Man Cave. Is it worth it? Is Dr. John really the best guy to see for TRT issues?
    DR john is one of the best at TRT
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    DR john is one of the best at TRT
    I have three more names names,
    would you care to post #5, 6 & 7.

    In alphabetical order:

    dr. Crisler
    dr. Marianco
    dr. Overbeck
    dr. Shippen
    .
    .
    Edge dr Crisler have is that he is available for inquiry over internet, published his TRT prococol, have a bulletin board
    I have a long list of how I wish I would like him to improve, but there is always a wish list.
    Plus he newer asked me how he could improve.
    .
    .
    You HAN, should get some degree, or possibly you already have one,
    with the amazing stuff you are doing we have to put you also on list.
    .
    .

  4. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I have three more names names,
    would you care to post #5, 6 & 7.

    In alphabetical order:

    dr. Crisler
    dr. Marianco
    dr. Overbeck
    dr. Shippen
    .
    .
    Edge dr Crisler have is that he is available for inquiry over internet, published his TRT prococol, have a bulletin board
    I have a long list of how I wish I would like him to improve, but there is always a wish list.
    Plus he newer asked me how he could improve.
    .
    .
    You HAN, should get some degree, or possibly you already have one,
    with the amazing stuff you are doing we have to put you also on list.
    .
    .
    Working on PHD right now takes time..

  5. FYI...

    Dr. John = Dr. Crisler
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  6. I'm a client of Dr. John and I'm thoroughly happy with the attention I receive. Plus, I never felt like I was being judged...which I've had problems with in the past.

  7. You will get far more value from your trip to see Dr. Crisler than it will cost.

  8. I'm going to see him in August.

    Just to compare, most anti-aging dr's that I've researched locally charge $100/hr or just $100 per consult. Dr John charges $50 after the first initial consult which costs more. You can do the math Not to mention the experience and knowledge he has. You may even be able to submit a claim to your insurance company, something I am still looking into now that I'm on a new plan (with Aetna now).

  9. im able to submit a claim to insurance and they cover MOST of it. Regardless if i had to pay myself id still be seeing him, hes the best at what he does.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post

    I have a long list of how I wish I would like him to improve, but there is always a wish list.
    Plus he newer asked me how he could improve.
    But you're not even his patient. There's a limit to how much information he will disseminate without getting paid. And I'm sure you're on board with that, since you loathe "socialized medicine."

  11. Yes, it's worth traveling to be a patient of Dr. John. I did and I've never looked back.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by solguy View Post
    Hey all,

    I'm considering making the pilgrimage to the Man Cave. Is it worth it? Is Dr. John really the best guy to see for TRT issues?

    Dr John Crisler is well worth it.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I have three more names names,
    would you care to post #5, 6 & 7.

    In alphabetical order:

    dr. Crisler
    dr. Marianco
    dr. Overbeck
    dr. Shippen
    .
    .
    Edge dr Crisler have is that he is available for inquiry over internet, published his TRT prococol, have a bulletin board
    I have a long list of how I wish I would like him to improve, but there is always a wish list.
    Plus he newer asked me how he could improve.
    .
    .
    You HAN, should get some degree, or possibly you already have one,
    with the amazing stuff you are doing we have to put you also on list.
    .
    .
    Does DR. Marianco have a website?

  14. I recently went to to two different anti-aging specialist named above and they came to different conclusions to what my hormonal problems were. I only did this because I take my health very seriously and wanted more than one opinion. This was with both them looking at blood work also! It goes to show you that even the best of the best could possibly be wrong. Now, I'm torn with deciding which protocol to follow and have no idea what to do.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    I recently went to to two different anti-aging specialist named above and they came to different conclusions to what my hormonal problems were. I only did this because I take my health very seriously and wanted more than one opinion. This was with both them looking at blood work also! It goes to show you that even the best of the best could possibly be wrong. Now, I'm torn with deciding which protocol to follow and have no idea what to do.
    It can in fact be quite difficult at times, however you do not want to be on two treatments at the same time.

    Good luck!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by may19th2001 View Post
    It can in fact be quite difficult at times, however you do not want to be on two treatments at the same time.

    Good luck!
    You need to have trust and faith in your Practiioner other wise you are just asking for failure before your start. You need to have positive attiude and confidence in them before you step forth in your office. I suggest people before going to see a practioner even my self to keep an open mind about the out come. Please be aware that there are people out just wanting to take your money leaving with this false sense of security. You just need to have a state of mind that you will get well. If you do not have a positive state of mind with good self confidence its going to affect your ability to heal. Shrinks giving your pill and doing talk therapy where its an 80% failure rate because majority do not know how to communicate with their clients. Yes they may be giving great advice, but if the client is not absorbing because its completely chinese to them. Its not not doing jack crap..
    DR j is a great hormone dr to helping you bring your body back in balance. Hormone therapy can do wonders for people were the cause is pathological, but if it is more mental then it will not have the impact that other may expereince.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by cpeil2 View Post
    But you're not even his patient. There's a limit to how much information he will disseminate without getting paid. And I'm sure you're on board with that, since you loathe "socialized medicine."
    Dr John sponsored this thread and shared quite a bit. Unfortunately his posts have been removed.

  18. I talked to him online once, if I had the finances I would definately utilize him. He doesnt like "muscleheads" though.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Knowbull View Post
    I talked to him online once, if I had the finances I would definately utilize him. He doesnt like "muscleheads" though.
    CAn you blame him because from a clincian stand point you know once they get good results they will return to their old habits, then come back to him complaining that they feel like crap. If you think about it from a clinican standpoint it makes you look like an ass because he starts complaining of feeling like crap then its blamed on the treat physcian such as Dr J. I will not take on any one that does not want to get well.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  20. Dr. John will treat your hormone deficiencies. From what I've read, Dr. M will treat your adrenal fatigue.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Shootist View Post
    Dr. John will treat your hormone deficiencies. From what I've read, Dr. M will treat your adrenal fatigue.
    They both have their special areas..No one is perfect.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    CAn you blame him because from a clincian stand point you know once they get good results they will return to their old habits, then come back to him complaining that they feel like crap. If you think about it from a clinican standpoint it makes you look like an ass because he starts complaining of feeling like crap then its blamed on the treat physcian such as Dr J. I will not take on any one that does not want to get well.
    Really? Interesting since he has publicly stated was a musclehead himself and still lifts?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by 4aminsomniac View Post
    Really? Interesting since he has publicly stated was a musclehead himself and still lifts?
    Thats like saying a girl was a porn star 20 years ago and holding it against her when she is happily married with a family.
    Its in the past and they may have done somethings wrong or regretted, but it should not affect judging them in the present. Do not get me wrong if some one is a murder then I would be a little more leary. Give DR J credit he runs one of the most successful practices, travels to seminars, give speeches on the radio plus to boot he is in incredible shape around age of 50. Most HRT dr's are fat and smell like cigars. Enough has been said..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  24. Perhaps "musclehead" was a poor choice of term. I meant to convey that he is not tolerant of an immature attitude towards weight-lifting and supplement use.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Knowbull View Post
    Perhaps "musclehead" was a poor choice of term. I meant to convey that he is not tolerant of an immature attitude towards weight-lifting and supplement use.
    Lol! Well said!
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