Is the Man Cave really worth it?
- 07-23-2008, 02:36 PM
- 07-23-2008, 02:39 PM
07-23-2008, 06:13 PM
would you care to post #5, 6 & 7.
In alphabetical order:
Edge dr Crisler have is that he is available for inquiry over internet, published his TRT prococol, have a bulletin board
I have a long list of how I wish I would like him to improve, but there is always a wish list.
Plus he newer asked me how he could improve.
You HAN, should get some degree, or possibly you already have one,
with the amazing stuff you are doing we have to put you also on list.
07-24-2008, 12:39 AM
07-24-2008, 02:20 AM
07-24-2008, 03:44 AM
I'm a client of Dr. John and I'm thoroughly happy with the attention I receive. Plus, I never felt like I was being judged...which I've had problems with in the past.
07-24-2008, 09:00 PM
07-24-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm going to see him in August.
Just to compare, most anti-aging dr's that I've researched locally charge $100/hr or just $100 per consult. Dr John charges $50 after the first initial consult which costs more. You can do the math Not to mention the experience and knowledge he has. You may even be able to submit a claim to your insurance company, something I am still looking into now that I'm on a new plan (with Aetna now).
07-24-2008, 10:29 PM
im able to submit a claim to insurance and they cover MOST of it. Regardless if i had to pay myself id still be seeing him, hes the best at what he does.
08-01-2008, 10:47 AM
08-01-2008, 06:46 PM
11-22-2008, 12:27 AM
11-22-2008, 12:37 AM
11-23-2008, 05:04 AM
I recently went to to two different anti-aging specialist named above and they came to different conclusions to what my hormonal problems were. I only did this because I take my health very seriously and wanted more than one opinion. This was with both them looking at blood work also! It goes to show you that even the best of the best could possibly be wrong. Now, I'm torn with deciding which protocol to follow and have no idea what to do.
11-23-2008, 04:22 PM
11-24-2008, 12:07 PM
DR j is a great hormone dr to helping you bring your body back in balance. Hormone therapy can do wonders for people were the cause is pathological, but if it is more mental then it will not have the impact that other may expereince.
11-24-2008, 10:00 PM
11-24-2008, 10:29 PM
I talked to him online once, if I had the finances I would definately utilize him. He doesnt like "muscleheads" though.
11-25-2008, 10:58 AM
11-26-2008, 12:37 AM
Dr. John will treat your hormone deficiencies. From what I've read, Dr. M will treat your adrenal fatigue.
11-26-2008, 01:02 AM
11-26-2008, 11:38 AM
11-26-2008, 11:53 AM
Its in the past and they may have done somethings wrong or regretted, but it should not affect judging them in the present. Do not get me wrong if some one is a murder then I would be a little more leary. Give DR J credit he runs one of the most successful practices, travels to seminars, give speeches on the radio plus to boot he is in incredible shape around age of 50. Most HRT dr's are fat and smell like cigars. Enough has been said..
11-26-2008, 09:19 PM
Perhaps "musclehead" was a poor choice of term. I meant to convey that he is not tolerant of an immature attitude towards weight-lifting and supplement use.
11-27-2008, 01:36 PM
11-29-2008, 08:10 PM
I'll be the black sheep and let you know that his templated approach works for most aging men, but if you have an actual non-age related decline in testosterone, he will just screw you up further.
Be wary of his legion of fans. He is not a wizard. He started his business and research only a few years ago. His appearance on messageboards (of which, he has been kicked off of 4 for his ego) and willingness to prescribe T in situations where conventional doctors would not made him a "god among men" to a flock of message board sheep.
He's decent, but only if you have a standard case of age-related testosterone decline. He can cure you about as well as a GP can hure a headache with aspirin.
He's going to give you Androgel or injectible testosterone (5g-10g/60-200mg/week, respectively.) When that fails, he throws in HCG at 250-500iu, twice per week on the two days before your injection. When that raises your E2, he gives you Arimidex at .25mg every three days (or less.) When that fails, he prescribes pregnenelone at 25-50mg per dose. That's it. Maybe he'll sell you some hair loss shampoo, Viagra, or sublingual testosterone troches while he's at it -- but that'll be at least 5 months into treatment.
- Expect his prescriptions to always have a refill of 0 listed. This is very, very unethical when done for the sole purpose of charging continuous VoV fees.
- You don't get a real prescription from Dr. Crisler. He fills the prescription for you at this partner pharmacy. This is about as unethical as it gets, if not illegal. You can't bring his reccomendation to your local pharmacy to fill! He makes more money this way.
- He will never deal with insurance.
- He will not forward you a copy of your lab results. You will need to ask for one every time, and he will charge you by the page for a fax.
- If you ask him for the percentages of sprironolactone/ketocanozole in his hair loss shampoo, he will tell you that it is proprietary information. The label includes no information about the levels of active ingredients. For a prescription product, this is outright illegal, as well as unethical.
- Once treated with Dr. John, you are not allowed, under any circumstances to post any details of your treatment online, especially on the messageboards he trolls. You can find this policy posted right on his own messageboard.
For some men, however, this is fine. They get the T they want, and Crisler is the only supplier. It does work out for some people.
11-29-2008, 10:23 PM
I'm not discounting your experience. Mine has been much different though. Maybe I'm just lucky that I fall in the "age related decline in testosterone" group, LOL.
If I am a "normal" patient I don't know how he can turn a profit. My total payments to him have been for about six $60 VOV's, maybe four $15 prescription call-in fees, and about 5 $5 lab report copies.
The "good" doctors (by your standards) that I dealt with didn't me charge lab report fees and they accepted insurance. They also charged thousands upon thousands of dollars for treatments that did me no good. Multiple MRI's, CAT scans, weekly allergy shots for a couple years, physical therapy, sleep tests, etc.
Dr. Crisler may not be for everyone. He has been great to me.
12-03-2008, 01:54 AM
I found my treatment protocall a little different than Mr. Vegas suggests; I started weekly shots first and added HCG after about 6 weeks. All of my meds are called into my local Walgreen's. I have a Novaril box in my fridge that clearly has 3 refils on the RX label.
My trip to see Dr. John was one of my best life moves. My hypogonadal issues were easily treated with Dr. John's protocalls with great success. Having said that, please keep in mind that I'm one of those "sheep" who didn't wreck my body with years of steroid abuse and I don't suffer from emotional issues that are outside of Dr. John's area of expertise.
12-03-2008, 03:18 PM
12-03-2008, 10:51 PM
In reply to this Post.
If you request for your RX to be sent to another Pharmacy then this can be done can it not?
Also he is in fact good at what he does.
Sounds like Eugine Shippen is who you are refering to in regards to the Physician that gets the RX's and meds from a Pharmacy.
Any way Dr Crisler is in fact an ethecial Physician and has a lot of knowledge of what he does.
He has done many guys well as well as has worked with other Physicians are you discrediting Dr Marianco as well as many other fellow Physicians as well?
Perhaps not everyone is the same everyone has his or her own opinions about a Physician it can be good or bad, however if you have a problem one of these good Physicians that you are degrading may in fact be good for one patient however not another patient.
Oh yes also did you know some guys loose the testicles due to medical conditions or they become totally dysfunctional due to other conditions medically, some AAS users as well have issues as well.
You can have the labs done at your lab of choice I know some guys who go and see him locally and are very happy with his level of treatment.
Like we have all said he may be for some and not others and I think what you said is a little off line smd uncalled for, it just depends on the condition etc.
Also why do you say he messes young guys up more rather than helps them?
Originally Posted by JamieVegas;1677132
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