Is the Man Cave really worth it?
- 07-23-2008, 02:36 PM
- 6'0" 180 lbs.
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- 07-23-2008, 02:39 PM
- 07-23-2008, 06:13 PM
would you care to post #5, 6 & 7.
In alphabetical order:
Edge dr Crisler have is that he is available for inquiry over internet, published his TRT prococol, have a bulletin board
I have a long list of how I wish I would like him to improve, but there is always a wish list.
Plus he newer asked me how he could improve.
You HAN, should get some degree, or possibly you already have one,
with the amazing stuff you are doing we have to put you also on list.
07-24-2008, 12:39 AM
07-24-2008, 02:20 AM
Dr. John = Dr. Crisler
07-24-2008, 03:44 AM
I'm a client of Dr. John and I'm thoroughly happy with the attention I receive. Plus, I never felt like I was being judged...which I've had problems with in the past.
07-24-2008, 09:00 PM
You will get far more value from your trip to see Dr. Crisler than it will cost.
07-24-2008, 09:04 PM
- 6'2" 235 lbs.
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I'm going to see him in August.
Just to compare, most anti-aging dr's that I've researched locally charge $100/hr or just $100 per consult. Dr John charges $50 after the first initial consult which costs more. You can do the math Not to mention the experience and knowledge he has. You may even be able to submit a claim to your insurance company, something I am still looking into now that I'm on a new plan (with Aetna now).
07-24-2008, 10:29 PM
im able to submit a claim to insurance and they cover MOST of it. Regardless if i had to pay myself id still be seeing him, hes the best at what he does.
08-01-2008, 10:47 AM
08-01-2008, 06:46 PM
Yes, it's worth traveling to be a patient of Dr. John. I did and I've never looked back.
11-22-2008, 12:27 AM
11-22-2008, 12:37 AM
11-23-2008, 05:04 AM
I recently went to to two different anti-aging specialist named above and they came to different conclusions to what my hormonal problems were. I only did this because I take my health very seriously and wanted more than one opinion. This was with both them looking at blood work also! It goes to show you that even the best of the best could possibly be wrong. Now, I'm torn with deciding which protocol to follow and have no idea what to do.
11-23-2008, 04:22 PM
11-24-2008, 12:07 PM
DR j is a great hormone dr to helping you bring your body back in balance. Hormone therapy can do wonders for people were the cause is pathological, but if it is more mental then it will not have the impact that other may expereince.
11-24-2008, 10:00 PM
- 6'4" 231 lbs.
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11-24-2008, 10:29 PM
I talked to him online once, if I had the finances I would definately utilize him. He doesnt like "muscleheads" though.
11-25-2008, 10:58 AM
11-26-2008, 12:37 AM
Dr. John will treat your hormone deficiencies. From what I've read, Dr. M will treat your adrenal fatigue.
11-26-2008, 01:02 AM
11-26-2008, 11:38 AM
11-26-2008, 11:53 AM
Its in the past and they may have done somethings wrong or regretted, but it should not affect judging them in the present. Do not get me wrong if some one is a murder then I would be a little more leary. Give DR J credit he runs one of the most successful practices, travels to seminars, give speeches on the radio plus to boot he is in incredible shape around age of 50. Most HRT dr's are fat and smell like cigars. Enough has been said..
11-26-2008, 09:19 PM
Perhaps "musclehead" was a poor choice of term. I meant to convey that he is not tolerant of an immature attitude towards weight-lifting and supplement use.
11-27-2008, 01:36 PM
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11-29-2008, 08:10 PM
I'll be the black sheep and let you know that his templated approach works for most aging men, but if you have an actual non-age related decline in testosterone, he will just screw you up further.
Be wary of his legion of fans. He is not a wizard. He started his business and research only a few years ago. His appearance on messageboards (of which, he has been kicked off of 4 for his ego) and willingness to prescribe T in situations where conventional doctors would not made him a "god among men" to a flock of message board sheep.
He's decent, but only if you have a standard case of age-related testosterone decline. He can cure you about as well as a GP can hure a headache with aspirin.
He's going to give you Androgel or injectible testosterone (5g-10g/60-200mg/week, respectively.) When that fails, he throws in HCG at 250-500iu, twice per week on the two days before your injection. When that raises your E2, he gives you Arimidex at .25mg every three days (or less.) When that fails, he prescribes pregnenelone at 25-50mg per dose. That's it. Maybe he'll sell you some hair loss shampoo, Viagra, or sublingual testosterone troches while he's at it -- but that'll be at least 5 months into treatment.
- Expect his prescriptions to always have a refill of 0 listed. This is very, very unethical when done for the sole purpose of charging continuous VoV fees.
- You don't get a real prescription from Dr. Crisler. He fills the prescription for you at this partner pharmacy. This is about as unethical as it gets, if not illegal. You can't bring his reccomendation to your local pharmacy to fill! He makes more money this way.
- He will never deal with insurance.
- He will not forward you a copy of your lab results. You will need to ask for one every time, and he will charge you by the page for a fax.
- If you ask him for the percentages of sprironolactone/ketocanozole in his hair loss shampoo, he will tell you that it is proprietary information. The label includes no information about the levels of active ingredients. For a prescription product, this is outright illegal, as well as unethical.
- Once treated with Dr. John, you are not allowed, under any circumstances to post any details of your treatment online, especially on the messageboards he trolls. You can find this policy posted right on his own messageboard.
For some men, however, this is fine. They get the T they want, and Crisler is the only supplier. It does work out for some people.
11-29-2008, 10:23 PM
I'm not discounting your experience. Mine has been much different though. Maybe I'm just lucky that I fall in the "age related decline in testosterone" group, LOL.
If I am a "normal" patient I don't know how he can turn a profit. My total payments to him have been for about six $60 VOV's, maybe four $15 prescription call-in fees, and about 5 $5 lab report copies.
The "good" doctors (by your standards) that I dealt with didn't me charge lab report fees and they accepted insurance. They also charged thousands upon thousands of dollars for treatments that did me no good. Multiple MRI's, CAT scans, weekly allergy shots for a couple years, physical therapy, sleep tests, etc.
Dr. Crisler may not be for everyone. He has been great to me.
12-03-2008, 01:54 AM
I found my treatment protocall a little different than Mr. Vegas suggests; I started weekly shots first and added HCG after about 6 weeks. All of my meds are called into my local Walgreen's. I have a Novaril box in my fridge that clearly has 3 refils on the RX label.
My trip to see Dr. John was one of my best life moves. My hypogonadal issues were easily treated with Dr. John's protocalls with great success. Having said that, please keep in mind that I'm one of those "sheep" who didn't wreck my body with years of steroid abuse and I don't suffer from emotional issues that are outside of Dr. John's area of expertise.
12-03-2008, 03:18 PM
12-03-2008, 10:51 PM
In reply to this Post.
If you request for your RX to be sent to another Pharmacy then this can be done can it not?
Also he is in fact good at what he does.
Sounds like Eugine Shippen is who you are refering to in regards to the Physician that gets the RX's and meds from a Pharmacy.
Any way Dr Crisler is in fact an ethecial Physician and has a lot of knowledge of what he does.
He has done many guys well as well as has worked with other Physicians are you discrediting Dr Marianco as well as many other fellow Physicians as well?
Perhaps not everyone is the same everyone has his or her own opinions about a Physician it can be good or bad, however if you have a problem one of these good Physicians that you are degrading may in fact be good for one patient however not another patient.
Oh yes also did you know some guys loose the testicles due to medical conditions or they become totally dysfunctional due to other conditions medically, some AAS users as well have issues as well.
You can have the labs done at your lab of choice I know some guys who go and see him locally and are very happy with his level of treatment.
Like we have all said he may be for some and not others and I think what you said is a little off line smd uncalled for, it just depends on the condition etc.
Also why do you say he messes young guys up more rather than helps them?
Originally Posted by JamieVegas;1677132
12-03-2008, 11:14 PM
Let me clarify. I posted "the other side of the coin" so that the author of this thread could get a more complete answer to his question. I have no personal gripe with Crisler, and I only went out of my way to post because I wish I knew what I know now back when I chose to start up with him. You respect my opinion and I respect yours. That's how these boards work.
Matrix: I was under the amateur care of Dr John for over 4 years. I was one of his initial patients. I have never done any steroids.
Regarding "emotional problems", I could forward you a circus side-show of e-mails I got from John over the years, claiming that he would lie awake at night, think about my particular case, and cry because he did not know what to do. I am not joking, and it was not sacrasm on his part. He has a serious, serious ego problem. Ask anyone from all of the messageboards from which he has been banned. Dig up all of the posts where he "quits" being a doctor because he is not getting the respect he wants (cue violins.) In fact, if you go all the way back to the T-Mag boards (2003-ish?), you will find some REAL GEMS from this man.
Again. It's only fair that the whole picture be laid out.
12-03-2008, 11:50 PM
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You need to grow up.
This is the feedback I get for this post, I think Jamie needs to grow up and stop whining and talking about a Physician that he is not describing correctly.
12-03-2008, 11:53 PM
Yes the mancave is well worth the visit. Dr John has been nothing short of great with me. My situation hasnt been the easiest, but the Dr has always worked with me and shown compassion.
In regards to Jaimevegas posts, I think you need to rethink your situation. Your complaining about a doctor who cares about you enough to stay up at night thinking about your case?? Bro, i dont know what world your living in but in my world thats an amazing thing having a doctor that focused on his patients. The majority of docs Ive seen forget me as im leaving the visit, let alone think about my case on their own time. Also, you make it seem like Testosterone + Hcg and arimidex if neccesary is sub par therapy. As far as i know thats the cutting edge in TRT. I dont understand what other type of TRT you are expecting? And in regards to being a young guy, I am a young guy and wouldnt want anyone else in charge of my hormones than Dr John. Have fun going to an endo telling you that your testosterone of 300 is ok and for a young guy. No thanks.
Just sharing my experience. Dr John Crisler is a great doc, you'll be in good hands with him.
12-03-2008, 11:55 PM
Sounds like he indeed is a very caring Physician from how you describe it James.
I do think he is a unique genuine caring Physician and I can understand where you are comming from.
12-03-2008, 11:57 PM
12-04-2008, 10:12 AM
12-04-2008, 04:25 PM
Perhaps he has improved.
Like I said, I was one of his first patients.
He started treating men over the internet less than a year after finishing his internship and getting his license to practice.
He was advertising himself as a "leader in the field" of TRT. Yet, no residency, and no peer-reviewed material published in any known journal. Just theories in Word documents on his own PC. He isn't an MD.
No man speaks doctrine but many of his followers think otherwise.
Check around. Nelson Montana and Primordial Performance's Eric Protraz have both spoken out against AllThingsMale. Nelson Montana calls AllThingsMale "a scam." Eric says, "Swale did bring some good ideas to the table but has been booted from just about any forum he attends for going nutso and freaking out on members who have opposing ideas or attempt to offer help. [He seems a little too wrapped up in getting guys to pay for consultations.]"
I'm just listing facts. No opinions, and nothing to argue with.
12-04-2008, 04:53 PM
Water over the dam.
I hope you are well adjusted, now with your new doctor.
Personally I am looking for a chance of finding how your current doctor helped you.
Post your original problems and how they are solved.
If you think that it would be out of topic on this thread, start new thread.
12-04-2008, 05:23 PM
He may not be a M.D, however he is a D.O. which has just as much say as an M.D. in the USA, he is not a Nurse Practioner or is he a Physicians assistance.
An M.D. or a D.O. could become a Psychatrist however a Physicians assistant could not or a Nurse Practioner.
A Physicians assistant or Nurse Practioner depending on the state can practice under an M.D. or a D.O. they are both equal in the USA, do you know the diffrence between a D.O. or an M.D? They are in fact both Physicians.
I knew a Surgeon who was a D.O. now a Physicians assistant or a Nurse Practioner could not become one however an M.D. or a D.O. could.
Also your not a Physician an M.D. a D.O. or a Physician are you? You offer and recommend treatments to people.
Nelson Montana is/was quite a steroid user as well, and Dr Crisler trys to sway away from this and help the patients to get off the steroid abuse. Also he has helped baseball players as well as other steroid abusers in sports to come off of them.
His prices are not all that bad and he provides a good level of service, the facts that you think you have are not credible in my eyes.
Also did you know Dr Eugine Shippen Practices in a similar fashion as Dr Crisler? As well as other Physicians agreeing with how he practices.
Perhaps this is the way you feel and you do not have all of the facts you think you have together.
I think you just need to get off that horse with long legs, because you do not know everything you are talking about.
12-04-2008, 05:25 PM
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