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I should have added this to another one of my Clomid posts........... but I guess this is somewhat different issues.

As most of you have read I have been on TRT for a while. My wife and me are trying to have another baby and per my biopsy I have 0 active/live sperm. Thus is why Dr. took me off test-e 100mg/week and wants me to use Clomid for 3 months (2 months into it) and stop the test to see if it will get me producing test and sperm.

If after 3 months this doesnt work then he will try HcG. Anyway whether you like the Clomid change per the Dr. isnt the question or my consern. I know from past posts most everyone said I should be on HcG not Clomid.

Questions:

1. I have 0 libido or desire (dr. gave me daily cialis for this) but cialis doesnt do anything for libido which is the issues.

2. If I am getting busy I loose some of my hardness (I noticed this when on test as well). Would think that the cialis would take of this. Might switch to Viagra

3. This is a biggie for me. My body comp/apperance has really changed. I lost all definition, stomach and sides look real blubbery and soft. I have been training for over 15 years and this is the worst I looked. Diet and training is consistant.

Comment made to me on another one of my Clomid posts was that I am holding water. It def. looks like it, my stomach looks blubbery/soft skin and lose of muscle definition and feeling of hardness.

Really would like some insight especially of question 3. I already hate being off test and on clomid (i.e. test-e test levels 730, clomid for 2 month 840) so clomid has increased test levels a little.

I had some nipple soreness when on test-e so used l-dex a little (e2 50-52) on test. Nipples feel better on clomid but I am guessing some of this apperance change has to do with estrogen and the water retention
 
corndog said:
I should have added this to another one of my Clomid posts........... but I guess this is somewhat different issues.

As most of you have read I have been on TRT for a while. My wife and me are trying to have another baby and per my biopsy I have 0 active/live sperm. Thus is why Dr. took me off test-e 100mg/week and wants me to use Clomid for 3 months (2 months into it) and stop the test to see if it will get me producing test and sperm.

If after 3 months this doesnt work then he will try HcG. Anyway whether you like the Clomid change per the Dr. isnt the question or my consern. I know from past posts most everyone said I should be on HcG not Clomid.

Questions:

1. I have 0 libido or desire (dr. gave me daily cialis for this) but cialis doesnt do anything for libido which is the issues.

2. If I am getting busy I loose some of my hardness (I noticed this when on test as well). Would think that the cialis would take of this. Might switch to Viagra

3. This is a biggie for me. My body comp/apperance has really changed. I lost all definition, stomach and sides look real blubbery and soft. I have been training for over 15 years and this is the worst I looked. Diet and training is consistant.

Comment made to me on another one of my Clomid posts was that I am holding water. It def. looks like it, my stomach looks blubbery/soft skin and lose of muscle definition and feeling of hardness.

Really would like some insight especially of question 3. I already hate being off test and on clomid (i.e. test-e test levels 730, clomid for 2 month 840) so clomid has increased test levels a little.

I had some nipple soreness when on test-e so used l-dex a little (e2 50-52) on test. Nipples feel better on clomid but I am guessing some of this apperance change has to do with estrogen and the water retention
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You can better judge your E2 status doing 24hr urine test at RheinLabs. That may also go for Testosterone, DHT, cortosol, DHEA.

It is excellent news that your TT=840 on Clomid, would have been similar on proper amount of HCG, but also good news since you see that testis are working, so most likely they will also produce sperm and other goodies that they do.
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You are correct
3/4/08
test-e 100mg/week test - 796ng/dl

clomid 50mg/day - test - 840ng/dl

Test levels up but

1. Feel like sh!t - more depressed but nothing like before
2. Tired all the time
3. no libido, i mean none, never want it
4. body comp sucks, fat and blubbery looking, muscles soft, stomach looks bloated and fat and skin looks fat to

So, the clomid looks like it is working (i am assuming that increasing my own test also should be increasing lh and fsh)

I just hate how I feel and the way I am starting to look i dont want to take off my shirt, want to cover up, ive been lifting way to long to have my body go to or look like this. Im doing the same thing other than the test, diet and training the same.

Anyways, I rant way to much but do appreciate everyones insight, thoughts and help.

Did I mention I hate the way I look
 
corndog said:
Did I mention I hate the way I look
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Did I mention that you should have went straight on HCG?

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Do not worry, you will love you child that much more.

In 1972 I spend 3 or four moths of my income,
went to Poland just so I could make my son.
He is 35yo now.
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Yeah, HcG was mostly what everyone here suggested. The problem was as I had mentioned I had 3 Dr. all say the same thing. A fertility specialist Dr. Goldstein out of Cal., my urologist and a urologist/fertility specialist all said 50mg clomid/day for 3 months then retest.

Yeah, I got 2 boys already and they are my life (wife too). My new wife wants a baby of our own and my clock is ticking so this needs to happen faster rather than slower. 39 now

Thanks JanSz
 
Supprised I didnt get more responses to this post. I have read about a few others that used clomid and figured they would respond. Their reasons were for HRT which I think is not a good way to go.
 
My count was low too....so i took a 10 day Caribean cruise and clomid - all while still on test...and I got a daughter out of it, at age 60...so if it worked for me.. I am sure it could work for anyone!!

Im sure you are aware that hot tubs and hot showers are off limits. PERIOD!!
 
corndog said:
Supprised I didnt get more responses to this post. I have read about a few others that used clomid and figured they would respond. Their reasons were for HRT which I think is not a good way to go.
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See if you can get Proviron prescribed. Works wonders for libido ;-)
 
Any chance any ones heard of DIM aka.Diindolylmethane
as PCT? How well would it work as a serm

DIM helps to eliminate active estrogen from the male body by promoting its conversion into the "good" metabolites. These metabolites then free up testosterone by bumping it off the testosterone-binding proteins. The end result is a healthier balance of testosterone to estrogen and more free testosterone circulating in the body. In scientific studies, high levels of testosterone and low levels of estrogen have been linked to lean body mass, an efficient fat-burning metabolism, and low abdominal obesity. Other benefits from testosterone are improved mood, more interest in sex, and better physical conditioning. In this chapter, we'll explore these issues in more detail.
 
Clomid & Sides - Latest BT

Just thought I would post my latest BT. I have been on Clomid for about 8-9 weeks.

Test - 615 ng/dl (241-827) (3/4/08 - 796)
E2 - 31 pg/ml (12-41) (3/4/08 - 55) Was real high when on Test-e
TSH - 1.148iu.ml (0.340-5.600) (6/24/08 - .400)
Free T4 - 0.7ng/dl (0.6-1.1) (5/7/08 0.7)
WBC - 5.5k/ul (4.0-10.0)
RBC - 5.94m/ul (4.60-6.20)
HGB - 17.2gm/dl (12.5-17.0) Usually high, domate blood to control)
HCT - 50.4% (36.0-50.0) Usually high, domate blood to control)
MCV - 85fl (82-100)
MCHC - 34.2% (32.0-36.0)
RDW - 16.8% (11.0-14.0) ~ High and has been high last 4 tests
PLAT - 219K/UL (140-450)
FERRITIN - 42ng/ml (24-336) been low (3/4 ~ 14, 5/7 ~ 10, 6/24 ~ 32) taking 325 iron/day
IRON - 88ug/dl (65-175) been low (3/4 ~ 88, 5/7 ~ 44, 6/24 ~ 153) taking 325 iron/day

Couple notes, tired all the time, similar to prior to being diagnosed hypo. No libido, absolutly none. I was thinking my E2 was real high and that what was causing the libido issue. Also, body looks flat and blubbery, lost all definition and veins) The libido and body change all started when i stopped test and started clomid. Would like to add some test-e back but having my bllodtest for fertility in 3 weeks and dont want to screw up anything. I am guessing that if my test has stayed similar to test-e levels on clomid that the clomid must be working. I would assume that would mean my LH and FSH have raised which from my understanding is the key to pregnancy.



Meds
Clomid 50mg/day
Lamictal - 150mg/day
armour 2g/day
lisinopril - 20mg/day
wellbutrin 150mg/day (trying this to see if helps with tiredness all the time, also moods have gotten worse since switching from test-e to clomid)
 
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