Links to hCG info wanted for endo apt.
- 06-08-2008, 02:53 PM
Links to hCG info wanted for endo apt.
Going to see a third doctor (used a4m.com)
hCG monotherapy, or even inclusion seems to be foreign to most of these clowns.
I'm looking for any hCG info I can show my doctor. Yes I'm going through the stickies right now.
Links, studies, etc. would be greatly appreciated. I'm searching but not coming up with alot. I wonder if I shouldn't photocopy pages from Shippen's book.
Thanks in advance
- 06-08-2008, 05:01 PM
Fertility doctors watch sperm production only.
With TRT one do not care about sperm but do care about T, E2 & DHT levels.
That is bassically the only difference (so no need for HMG).
One have to be secondary hypogonadal to have success in fertilizing, same with TRT of this kind.
Possibly my post #79
will help you.
Specially the red-lined part of chart.
If you have a time, read all four pages of my thread.
06-09-2008, 04:15 PM
I've read probably everything you post here.
I'm secondary, but it seems few endos have heard of using hCG.
I need to go in with some info before I meet with the third doc...
At best he's going to go with a compounded cream/hcg combo.
I'd rather try the hCG only. I think he usually just uses the cream only.
06-10-2008, 07:54 AM
If you can arrange for blood testing (LEF sells blood tests)
you can buy hcg.
So, if you want, you have a way to figure out if HCG only would work for you.
If you would go this road, LEF have their usual yearly sale on blood tests, some people buy years worth at this time.
Blood Tests: Hormones, Stroke Prevention, Atherosclerosis, Vascular Disease, Hormone Replacement Therapy - Life Extension
Estradiol $24.75 each
Estradiol: Blood Tests
Testosterone, Free (with Total) 74.25 each
Total And Free Testosterone: Blood Tests
83 . Sex Hormone Binding Globulin Item Catalog Number LC082016 $24.75 each
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin: Blood Tests
You my worry about your SHBG after you know that you have got from testis TT~ 700-800
The freeT that comes with the T tests, do not rely to much on it.
Use liquidex to control E2 if neccesary, up to 2mg/week.
HCG and (if nessesary, Liquidex) on same day, E3D schedule, shots in the evening.
First blood testing before trial starts, to get baseline, then 1-3 months after, depending on curiosity, overall feel, available funds.
Start with 3000-4000 weekly dose, more accurate dose depends on HCG packaging to prevent waste.
Max HCG dose 6000iu. One of the limits on HCG dose is raising E2, use no more than 2mg Liquidex/week, or 0.5cc on e3d schedule.
Get small doses of HCG to prevent worry about freshness.
06-10-2008, 03:23 PM
06-10-2008, 03:28 PM
I've got bloodwork. Here's the short version:
I'm going to a doctor form BodylogicMD this time.Code:TT 353 400-1000 Free test 294 180-900 (calculated) Shbg 19 11-80 ESR 1 0-15 (estrogen?) FSH 3 1-15 LH 1 2-6 Prolactin 5 2-15 TSH .87 .3-4.5 (whats this?)
I'm trying to bring some hCG info with me, as, from what I understand, hCG monotherapy would apply to me. It would also be less drugs for me to buy.
I've got Dr. Crisler's hCG update, and some third-hand Shippen info from "DavidZ's primer" which isn't written in a format I could show to a professional...
I need to assume the worst when seeing a new doctor, as we all know, and figure they know very little and are stuck in the past.
If the Dr. from Bodylogic is better, as he likely will be, I will report back with such.
06-10-2008, 03:56 PM
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