ZMA that works?

[cumkwakka]

Hi guys,

I'm looking for a brand of ZMA that garuanteed works. I used to buy one from a local chain of health stores, but due to not many people buying it they stopped sales of this product. After that I went on another ZMA product, which unfortunately doesn't work, i.e. I don't get the deep sleep benefits from it (although I might get the minerals in it).

Is there a brand which has the garuanteed sleep benefits so I feel great when waking up? Now Foods a good brand or some others?

Thanks!

 

[Imeniaan]

Maybe ZMA doesn't work for you ? I had minor succes with ZMA by Optimum Nutrition. Check it out.

 

[Cub]

Go for Melatonin. NP stocks it (Optimum Nutrition). Combine it with any of NP's ZMAs and you'll be in the land of nod before your head hits the pillow

 

[cumkwakka]

Maybe ZMA doesn't work for you ? I had minor succes with ZMA by Optimum Nutrition. Check it out.

Yeah it did work for me. I did two bottles of ZMA which worked, now that brand is sold out and will never return.

So my current zma stinks and doesn't give me the benefit.

What is a good brand which garuanteed works for sleep?

 

[cumkwakka]

Go for Melatonin. NP stocks it (Optimum Nutrition). Combine it with any of NP's ZMAs and you'll be in the land of nod before your head hits the pillow

Thanks! 3 mg melatonin? Or just ZMA? On the old i woke up often after 6 hours of solid deep sleep, but melatonin added makes for a good 8 hours??

 

[Cub]

It certainly does! Add 50mg of diphenhydramine for a coma

 

[Cub]

Take both ZMA and melatonin.

 

[Steveoph]

Melatonin is powerful, although I'm still uneasy about long-term supplementation on it since it is a hormone and it may affect our body in a way we don't intend.

I would say use ZMA nightly, and Melatonin for those days when you've got alot on your mind. Tryptophan may be of interest to you, and a combo can be had at http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/nutraplanet/zmt-nutracaps-100-caps.html .

Nimbus also has a product (Abyss) that combines ZMA and a few other things. But things can quickly get expensive, it depends how much you want to spend on trying to improve your sleep. A cheap effective method is learning some deep breathing techniques.

 

[cumkwakka]

Melatonin is powerful, although I'm still uneasy about long-term supplementation on it since it is a hormone and it may affect our body in a way we don't intend.

I would say use ZMA nightly, and Melatonin for those days when you've got alot on your mind. Tryptophan may be of interest to you, and a combo can be had at http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/nutraplanet/zmt-nutracaps-100-caps.html .

Nimbus also has a product (Abyss) that combines ZMA and a few other things. But things can quickly get expensive, it depends how much you want to spend on trying to improve your sleep. A cheap effective method is learning some deep breathing techniques.

Getting to sleep by guided hypnosis where you are told to deep breath and let stress go, works to fall asleep 9 out of 10 times, but then i tried zma, i awoke and never remembered when i fell asleep, prolly about after half an hour. Much better.

Im just looking for only zma which is cheap but does work, this i can buy one year supply at pretty economic.

 

[Mo250]

are there any preferred forms of zinc and magnesium in terms of bio-availability?

 

[Hard Knox]

I use NOW foods ZMA religously and YES it works

 

[Gutterpump]

I use ZMK from MST.
Seems to work great for me and it's probably the most bio-available and complete mineral source.

Melatonin on the other hand does nothing for me.

ZMA for some people keeps them awake at night, for some reason. I think it's all up to the user and how they react.

 

[Imeniaan]

Melatonin is powerful, although I'm still uneasy about long-term supplementation on it since it is a hormone and it may affect our body in a way we don't intend.

I would say use ZMA nightly, and Melatonin for those days when you've got alot on your mind. Tryptophan may be of interest to you, and a combo can be had at ZMT NutraCaps (100 caps) By: NutraPlanet .

Nimbus also has a product (Abyss) that combines ZMA and a few other things. But things can quickly get expensive, it depends how much you want to spend on trying to improve your sleep. A cheap effective method is learning some deep breathing techniques.

L-Tryptophan increases Serotonin production and Serotonin decreases your libido. I'm not very fond of it.

 

[LeanGuy]

L-Tryptophan increases Serotonin production and Serotonin decreases your libido. I'm not very fond of it.

True, only if your serotonin level goes above range. Someone with sleeping problems has a good chance to being deficient. Per urinary test, my serotonin was 75 [range 150-200].

 

[Force of Green]

ZMK is the most bio-available source for zinc/mag/b6 (p5p) product and it includes important minerals vital for recovery in chelated form with a wealth of trace components. Best ZMA type product and so much more AND it's inexpensive. Might as well upgrade your multi as well with the MVP-365/ZMK combo.

 

[w3ss]

melatonin dont work for me..

 

[Gutterpump]

Might as well upgrade your multi as well with the MVP-365/ZMK combo.

Definately a good combo. I was taking it for a while but then switched to Now's Adam alongside ZMK...but I'm thinking of dropping the Adam multi since it has saw palmetto in it and I have no need or want for that. Back to MVP-365!

Also, if people are looking for an alternate Zinc product to ZMK, make sure it's got Zinc Picolinate, but tbh I haven't seen a better product than ZMK. It's more complete than any I've seen.

 

[Mo250]

is Zinc Picolinate more bio-available than opti l-zinc?

 

[Gutterpump]

Now's Opti L-Zinc has Zinc Monomethionine, I've heard it's very bioavailable but picolinate has scientific backing on it as well. I think picolinate is at least as available as monemethionine.

Google "A better alternative to ZMA: Zinc Picolinate" and there's a pretty good thread on BB.com about it.

edit: actually I just read Opti Zinc is probably the best form out there now.

 

[Cub]

Definately a good combo. I was taking it for a while but then switched to Now's Adam alongside ZMK.

NOW's Adam multi contains ZMA.

 

[Gutterpump]

Yeah it does, but I like to take more than that.

It's also nothing comparable to the mineral blend in ZMK.

I normally take 2 adam's and 5 ZMK's ed.
Probably not needed for most people but I was pretty deficient for a while before supplementing.

 

[MM11]

melatonin is a wonderful thing. but it is the perfect example of less is more. if you take 3mg a day in about 3 days your receptors wont work as well. in studies the effective doses where .3mg. and at that dose, it wont be over doing it. i just take the 3mg pill and break it into little peices, each lasts almost a week, while every night once i fall asleep i stay asleep. (doesnt help me much with getting to sleep just staying asleep)

 

[MM11]

i think im going to give zmk a try. it is inexpensive enough. i have heard contradicting things about zma (i beleive that was in regards to testosterone not sleep) the p5p(b6) is also an interest to me. as latley i have been reading more and more about it.

 

[Force of Green]

melatonin is a wonderful thing. but it is the perfect example of less is more. if you take 3mg a day in about 3 days your receptors wont work as well. in studies the effective doses where .3mg. and at that dose, it wont be over doing it. i just take the 3mg pill and break it into little peices, each lasts almost a week, while every night once i fall asleep i stay asleep. (doesnt help me much with getting to sleep just staying asleep)

Indeed, less is better.

 

[Cub]

Indeed, less is better.

Lies!:run:

 

[Gutterpump]

the p5p(b6) is also an interest to me. as latley i have been reading more and more about it.

I was just speaking with a doctor about some of the best/safest methods for lowering prolactin and I brought p5p up. It's only very mild for this use. The best way to lower prolactin, especially on a longterm basis, is to raise dopamine. People would have better luck supplementing with L-dopa (or even better, with l-deprenyl - but that's a drug). Not sure if that's what you were thinking of using it for.

 

[MoTiV]

I just started ZMK and love it. My sleep is great but I don't seem to be sleeping for 8 hours. I've only been sleeping for 4-6 hours a night but wake up feeling great. I know this is probably bad as far as growing is concerned but I can't help but feel good, I even pop out of bed like a little kid. It's been awhile since I've taken a ZMA product and I remember having the same results with others in the past but not to this extent. Also, like others in the past my libido is going crazy but even more so than before.

ZMK is definitely a high quality product. 4 pills a day may be too much for consistent daily use and I might cut back a bit.

 

[RockyD]

ZMA is ZMA...I take (3) caps of SNAC ZMA plus (3) caps of ERGO 6-OXO every nite. You feel it in the morning.
3~5 gr. of melatonin on nights that I need a deep sleep also.
I'm in my 40's all...this combo seems to work great for me but might not for others.

My 0.02
Roc

 

[Force of Green]

ZMA is ZMA...I take (3) caps of SNAC ZMA plus (3) caps of ERGO 6-OXO every nite. You feel it in the morning.
3~5 gr. of melatonin on nights that I need a deep sleep also.
I'm in my 40's all...this combo seems to work great for me but might not for others.

My 0.02
Roc

How long have you been taking 6-OXO for every night? You take them seperately right?

 

[cumkwakka]

ZMA is ZMA...I take (3) caps of SNAC ZMA plus (3) caps of ERGO 6-OXO every nite. You feel it in the morning.
3~5 gr. of melatonin on nights that I need a deep sleep also.
I'm in my 40's all...this combo seems to work great for me but might not for others.

My 0.02
Roc

Not entirely thats why i started this thread. I bought a good zma and slept insanely well and now im on a crappy brand.
Theoretically yeah its zinc magnesium and b6 all in the same forms, apparently some manufacturers don't make this **** in the right way. Good that its working for ya man!

 

[RockyD]

How long have you been taking 6-OXO for every night? You take them seperately right?

I cycle it 45 days on / off
Sorry for the confusion.
And yes I wait an hour between the ZMA and 6-OXO.

Hope this helps.